sin as choices

[allhart]

I have notice in our forum
a lot on homosexuality! I want to make a statement ,but in a discussion forum. If we choose to use a drug.Isn't that still a choice! (A thought )When i choose to use never used before.That was a choice ;however , once you use and has became addicted is that still a choice (YES!) The same is in homosexuality, People decide at the time knowing the fatal results of their action and still make the choice. As drug addicts do! Homosexuals try to justify their behavior . There is consequence for everything we do. Some choices are harder to over come once we start down that road. Our choice about sin matters and it hurts more than just the person acting on their desires or feelings. These choice hurt parents, family and friends. The feelings and desire of our lives are inter-twined with direct decision we make. "Metaphors" Jesus used them and i myself like them they make you think . The statements may give you glimps into some experience of another aspect of one's life.

 

[m9lc]

These choice hurt parents, family and friends.

How?

 

[ArchaicTruth]

Anti-homosexuality is what hurts parents, family and friends

 

[Trevorocity]

I have notice in our forum
a lot on homosexuality! I want to make a statement ,but in a discussion forum. If we choose to use a drug.Isn't that still a choice! (A thought )When i choose to use never used before.That was a choice ;however , once you use and has became addicted is that still a choice (YES!) The same is in homosexuality, People decide at the time knowing the fatal results of their action and still make the choice. As drug addicts do! Homosexuals try to justify their behavior . There is consequence for everything we do. Some choices are harder to over come once we start down that road. Our choice about sin matters and it hurts more than just the person acting on their desires or feelings. These choice hurt parents, family and friends. The feelings and desire of our lives are inter-twined with direct decision we make. "Metaphors" Jesus used them and i myself like them they make you think . The statements may give you glimps into some experience of another aspect of one's life.

Soooooooo (assuming you are heterosexual) at some point you "Chose" to be straight and then after that point you became addicted to heterosexuality? That's rediculous. I realize you're one of those Christians who can't bring yourself to hate gay people the way MercyBurst et al do. And I also realize you're trying to find some common ground to make peace between opposing viewpoints. That's admirable. But your point of view actually harms more gay people than it helps. It gives turds who hate gay people license to commit increasingly desperate acts of violence. They feel justified because people like you seemingly agree with their position.

 

[I Just Believe In Me]

I have notice in our forum
a lot on homosexuality! I want to make a statement ,but in a discussion forum. If we choose to use a drug.Isn't that still a choice! (A thought )When i choose to use never used before.That was a choice ;however , once you use and has became addicted is that still a choice (YES!) The same is in homosexuality, People decide at the time knowing the fatal results of their action and still make the choice. As drug addicts do! Homosexuals try to justify their behavior . There is consequence for everything we do. Some choices are harder to over come once we start down that road. Our choice about sin matters and it hurts more than just the person acting on their desires or feelings. These choice hurt parents, family and friends. The feelings and desire of our lives are inter-twined with direct decision we make. "Metaphors" Jesus used them and i myself like them they make you think . The statements may give you glimps into some experience of another aspect of one's life.

I would like to suggest a book. I have recently read "Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think" by George Lakoff. As the title suggests it deals with how liberals and conservatives come to their believes. Homosexuality, is not as you say, a choice that someone makes. If it were than why would anyone make it? Why would they chose to go through the riducle and discrimination and homophobia that they face? The book has a section that deals with why many people think that it is a choice. I think you would find it most illuminating.

 

[allhart]

Soooooooo (assuming you are heterosexual) at some point you "Chose" to be straight and then after that point you became addicted to heterosexuality? That's rediculous. I realize you're one of those Christians who can't bring yourself to hate gay people the way MercyBurst et al do. And I also realize you're trying to find some common ground to make peace between opposing viewpoints. That's admirable. But your point of view actually harms more gay people than it helps. It gives turds who hate gay people license to commit increasingly desperate acts of violence. They feel justified because people like you seemingly agree with their position.

No that not a true statement on my part! "They feel justified because people like you seemingly agree with their position." Also the human race has a compulsive behavior. Nothing about that is attractive if you truly look at any action that is compulsive. I don't hate anyone ,but as JESUS stated we can hate the sin. "ya' know" the Christian walk is impossible . Thats why this has to come from a higher source of power/JESUS power. What about your view points and where are they taking you! Love's take on all different forums. Like taking a baby to the doctor for their shots. Who likes to take it to them/give it to them or receiving it. LOVE can hurt all party's. If you get my drift; however i knowing you will justify this some how.Truth is love.

 

[allhart]

I would like to suggest a book. I have recently read "Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think" by George Lakoff. As the title suggests it deals with how liberals and conservatives come to their believes. Homosexuality, is not as you say, a choice that someone makes. If it were than why would anyone make it? Why would they chose to go through the riducle and discrimination and homophobia that they face? The book has a section that deals with why many people think that it is a choice. I think you would find it most illuminating.

Well like i tried to say people don't wake up one day and decide to be a drug addict;However they chose to use them.

 

[naotmaa]

I have notice in our forum
a lot on homosexuality! I want to make a statement ,but in a discussion forum. If we choose to use a drug.Isn't that still a choice! (A thought )When i choose to use never used before.That was a choice ;however , once you use and has became addicted is that still a choice (YES!)

The same is in homosexuality, People decide at the time knowing the fatal results of their action and still make the choice.

There are no dangerous or "fatal" results from homosexuality. It can't be compared to drug use.

As drug addicts do! Homosexuals try to justify their behavior . There is consequence for everything we do. Some choices are harder to over come once we start down that road.
Our choice about sin matters and it hurts more than just the person acting on their desires or feelings.

Except it doesn't hurt the person at all.

These choice hurt parents, family and friends. The feelings and desire of our lives are inter-twined with direct decision we make.

There are families and friends who are completely fine and accepting of their gay relatives and friends. For those who aren't accepting,it's their problem that they will need to learn to deal with, not the gay person's.

"Metaphors" Jesus used them and i myself like them they make you think . The statements may give you glimps into some experience of another aspect of one's life.

But drug use can't be compared to homosexuality.

 

[Pogue]

Homosexuality is an orientation, not an action.

 

[I Just Believe In Me]

Well like i tried to say people don't wake up one day and decide to be a drug addict;However they chose to use them.

I am sorry you feel that way, but I do sincerly believe the book I suggested would give you a new perspective. I hope you will consider reading it.

 

[happydance]

There are a large number of threads specifically on homosexuality. I haven't bother to count the the number of these which were started by homosexuals. People tend to posts heavily on these threads due to the polar extremes of views on the subject.

Please note: A large number of members supporting homosexual rights are NOT homosexuals themselves.
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IMAO, homosexuality is no more a choice than choosing to be heterosexual. Either you are or you are not. Everyone is responsible for their personal sexual activity.

What are the fatal results of being homosexual?

Comparing drugs addiction to homosexuality is like comparing an apple to a microwave oven.

 

[allhart]

There are a large number of threads specifically on homosexuality. I haven't bother to count the the number of these which were started by homosexuals. People tend to posts heavily on these threads due to the polar extremes of views on the subject.

Please note: A large number of members supporting homosexual rights are NOT homosexuals themselves.
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IMAO, homosexuality is no more a choice than choosing to be heterosexual. Either you are or you are not. Everyone is responsible for their personal sexual activity.

What are the fatal results of being homosexual?

Comparing drugs addiction to homosexuality is like comparing an apple to a microwave oven.

Metaphors are used to compare life experiences.
Your metaphor and DNA strands: Even if a genetic link to homosexuality were found, all people are held to God's moral code whether they are born with a genetic prenatal hormonal predisposition to disobey that code or not. For example people struggling with alcohol addictions might be genetically predisposed to alcohol, but they are still held to God's moral code regarding the abuse of alcohol. No gay gene has ever been found!

 

[I Just Believe In Me]

Metaphors are used to compare life experiences.
Your metaphor and DNA strands: Even if a genetic link to homosexuality were found, all people are held to God's moral code whether they are born with a genetic prenatal hormonal predisposition to disobey that code or not. For example people struggling with alcohol addictions might be genetically predisposed to alcohol, but they are still held to God's moral code regarding the abuse of alcohol. No gay gene has ever been found!

But if homosexuality is genetic that means according to your beliefs that god made them homosexual. So why would god make them homosexual if he did not want them to be that way?

 

[MrPirate]

No that not a true statement on my part! "They feel justified because people like you seemingly agree with their position." Also the human race has a compulsive behavior. Nothing about that is attractive if you truly look at any action that is compulsive.

You have set up a double standard here.

On the one hand you are trying to claim that homosexuals somehow “choose” their sexual oriention and then become “addicted” to it. but you refuse to apply these same bizarre notions to your self.

I don't hate anyone ,but as JESUS stated we can hate the sin.

The sin notion is a whole other debate.

The issue here is you aren’t hating the “sin” you are making unsupported and unsupportable statements about choice to justify hatred for the person.

"ya' know" the Christian walk is impossible . Thats why this has to come from a higher source of power/JESUS power. What about your view points and where are they taking you! Love's take on all different forums. Like taking a baby to the doctor for their shots. Who likes to take it to them/give it to them or receiving it. LOVE can hurt all party's. If you get my drift; however i knowing you will justify this some how.Truth is love.

Justifying prejudice and discrimination towards a minority is never an act of love, it is always an act of hate

 

[MrPirate]

Metaphors are used to compare life experiences.
Your metaphor and DNA strands: Even if a genetic link to homosexuality were found, all people are held to God's moral code whether they are born with a genetic prenatal hormonal predisposition to disobey that code or not. For example people struggling with alcohol addictions might be genetically predisposed to alcohol, but they are still held to God's moral code regarding the abuse of alcohol. No gay gene has ever been found!

No black gene has ever been found either.

Compare these two things for me:

Person A justifies prejudice and discrimination against minority X by using the bible and citing that the members of minority X choose to act in specific un biblical ways.

Person B justifies prejudice and discrimination against minority Y by using the bible and citing that the members of minority Y choose to act in specific un biblical ways.

What is the difference?

Well none except for the identities of the two minorities. Minority X is African Americans and Minority Y is homosexuals.


Racists will claim that they do not hate blacks as individuals, rather they hate those people with dark skin who choose to defy the word of God and try to claim to be equal to whites. Their view is that it is perfectly moral to condemn such blacks because they “choose” to act outside of their God ordained social role.

 

[happydance]

I often wonder why threads about premarital, heterosexual sex are rarely started.

I would imagine there are a greater number of heterosexuals having sex outside of the confines of marriage.

 

[rebelEnigma]

But if homosexuality is genetic that means according to your beliefs that god made them homosexual. So why would god make them homosexual if he did not want them to be that way?

Homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice. People can either choose to lust after their own sex, or they can choose to engage in natural relations with the opposite sex.

 

[I Just Believe In Me]

Homosexuality is not genetic, it is a choice. People can either choose to lust after their own sex, or they can choose to engage in natural relations with the opposite sex.

But if it was hypothetically gentic, than would it still be immoral?

 

[rebelEnigma]

But if it was hypothetically gentic, than would it still be immoral?

If it were conclusively proven that there was a gene that created an attraction towards members of the same sex, I would say yes, it would still be immoral. I really don't see how there can be a gay gene though; that's similar to saying that there is a gene that causes one to have a penchant for thievery or murder, an unnatural desire to murder. You see what I mean?

 

[rebelEnigma]

In a sense, though, humans, having a sinful nature, have a penchant for all sin which includes homosexuality. The thing is: we must resist this sinful nature, which is ultimately destructive.