shouldnt the ClC be added?

[mrshoperose]

After 30 years I can see why they would be getting close to retirement... But why are they allowed to stay?

Maybe there isn't anyone to fill their shoes...

 

[BakaFidelis]

Maybe there isn't anyone to fill their shoes...

If someone may be giving out false doctrine to his flock... I would say they would be better with no one than someone who may be leading them astray...

 

[DaRev]

After 30 years I can see why they would be getting close to retirement... But why are they allowed to stay?

That has also been a problem in the synod that is being addressed, namely the ability of the synod to police itself. This, too, is something that will be effected by more Comfessionally based pastors coming into the parishes. Better education of the layity is necessary in order for these types of things to be better recognized by the layity.

 

[BakaFidelis]

Amen to that. I wish more lay-people would get informed.

What I think is funny is that there always seem to be a core in every church. They are the ones that routinely go to bible-study, church events, are in choir etc. The other people you just sorta see MAYBE on sundays and sometimes at potlucks.

Unfortunately, they are also the ones being taught unscripturally in cases where pastors are not confessionally sound.

Well at any rate, the LCMS continues to have my prayers.

 

[mrshoperose]

If someone may be giving out false doctrine to his flock... I would say they would be better with no one than someone who may be leading them astray...

I agree with you, sorry if it sounded like I didn't.

I've been to churches where they don't like their pastor, but they can't get anyone else, so that's all I was commenting on.

Sorry for interrupting....

 

[BakaFidelis]

I agree with you, sorry if it sounded like I didn't.

I've been to churches where they don't like their pastor, but they can't get anyone else, so that's all I was commenting on.

Sorry for interrupting....

oh heck no, you weren't interrupting

 

[DaSeminarian]

Well Rev and PR I hope you are right but we'll just have to wait and see.

It seems you both have a handle on what is going on in the synod. Uh huh.

Hey Rad... How's Good old Herman doing these days? Since he is the national expert on things Missouri Synod I reckon he's the one you consult with to come up with your own personal point of view on these things.

 

[DaSeminarian]

Actually over the past few years there have been a couple of close calls in breaking fellowship between the ELS and WELS. I believe they are still in talks over those issues.

One instance was WELS wanting to give women the authority to give communion to other women.

Do you not see how this is wrong?

Another was ELS's recent controversy over a finalized doctrine concerning the office of the Keys and to whom it extends to publicly. And how the ELS president skipped over procedure and went straight for the defrocking of a major opponent to the doctrine.

As I know who the major opponent was (I won't mention his name) I believe that he was right and President Molstad was wrong. I also go to school with his (Major opponents) sons.

Overall I am a bit confused over the ELS issue. I wasn't all in the best mind when it was happening and now that I try to review it, I get lost what I really need to do is get to a printer and just sit down with a hard copy and figure it all out! LOL

I hope you do that.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The idea behind women communing women was for women's prison ministry. Some female prisons don't allow any males at all - so those prisoners were lacking in communion if they wanted to take it (if they were WELS). Aside from that point I don't know much else, other than that WELS decided to not push the issue. Women cannot distribute communion to other women.

Just wanted to clarify that.

 

[BakaFidelis]

Do you not see how this is wrong?

Most definitely.

As I know who the major opponent was (I won't mention his name) I believe that he was right and President Molstad was wrong. I also go to school with his (Major opponents) sons.

Personally I believe Molstead was wrong too. Our pastor gave us pretty much the whole run down on our synod while it was happening. We are blessed with an awesome Pastor who actually takes the time to share events with his congregation so that we are informed and so that we can pray. And he is impartial when he gives it to us as well, so we don't get a slanted view of things.

I missed the last couple of congregational meetings tho so I don't know if there have been any updates or not. Let his family know that there are still people out here praying!

I hope you do that.

I probably will eventually. I have a few pressing matters at the moment.

As for the actual doctrine and response, that is what I have to read up on. I found the letter submitted to the synod on the internet. Or at least I believe it is unaltered. But to be honest, it is too deep for me to understand reading it online. I need a paper copy and even then I think I will be straining the poor excuse that I pretend is a brain.

The whole reason I brought it up tho is because of the incorrect thought that ELS and WELS are inseparable. We aren't. And these are just two things that have been recent that have almost caused a division between the synods. We are human and for that we constantly need the one to get the other to a table and straighten things out. What a blessing it truly is!

 

[LilLamb219]

So...has there been an answer to the OP's question really? Is this something we should vote on?

 

[DaSeminarian]

Most definitely.



Personally I believe Molstead was wrong too. Our pastor gave us pretty much the whole run down on our synod while it was happening. We are blessed with an awesome Pastor who actually takes the time to share events with his congregation so that we are informed and so that we can pray. And he is impartial when he gives it to us as well, so we don't get a slanted view of things.

I missed the last couple of congregational meetings tho so I don't know if there have been any updates or not. Let his family know that there are still people out here praying!



I probably will eventually. I have a few pressing matters at the moment.

As for the actual doctrine and response, that is what I have to read up on. I found the letter submitted to the synod on the internet. Or at least I believe it is unaltered. But to be honest, it is too deep for me to understand reading it online. I need a paper copy and even then I think I will be straining the poor excuse that I pretend is a brain.

The whole reason I brought it up tho is because of the incorrect thought that ELS and WELS are inseparable. We aren't. And these are just two things that have been recent that have almost caused a division between the synods. We are human and for that we constantly need the one to get the other to a table and straighten things out. What a blessing it truly is!

One of the reasons that the sons of the major opponent have for attending an LCMS seminary over an ELS seminary was that they felt more free to speak out about these issues at the LCMS seminary. The oldest son did do one year at the seminary in Mankato and left for Fort Wayne to finish his schooling. He is now a graduate of the sem and going for his doctorate in St. Louis.

The document you speak of is very complicated and deep. It might take years to really sort it all out.

 

[porterross]

Sometimes, those can be the most destructive and the most fiercely held.

They only foster negativity and attacks on others' convictions which only hurt their cause. No matter how many times they are told that they continue to undo themselves, they persist. See below.

Well Rev and PR I hope you are right but we'll just have to wait and see.

It seems you both have a handle on what is going on in the synod. Uh huh.

We are still active in the synod and not flocking to those fanatical outsiders trying to tear it down because there are infinitely more reasons to stay and help than to walk away. It's not something most of would consider and why should we?

When will the ultra conservatives realize that as long as rocks are being thrown, the defenses will stay up and the majority of the synod will completely ignore their rants?

I can assure you that all the turmoil your heroes falsely perceive and have a vocal, disillusioned handful convinced of, is not hindering those of us in faithful, confessional congregations one tiny bit.

 

[BakaFidelis]

The idea behind women communing women was for women's prison ministry. Some female prisons don't allow any males at all - so those prisoners were lacking in communion if they wanted to take it (if they were WELS). Aside from that point I don't know much else, other than that WELS decided to not push the issue. Women cannot distribute communion to other women.

Just wanted to clarify that.

Thank you.

I had heard about that and honestly, I can see why WELS would take that position. But then in a few years it would be easier to take another small step...

It really comes down to just one more abuse of the government to deny a prisoner religious need.

 

[BakaFidelis]

One of the reasons that the sons of the major opponent have for attending an LCMS seminary over an ELS seminary was that they felt more free to speak out about these issues at the LCMS seminary. The oldest son did do one year at the seminary in Mankato and left for Fort Wayne to finish his schooling. He is now a graduate of the sem and going for his doctorate in St. Louis.

The document you speak of is very complicated and deep. It might take years to really sort it all out.

God be with him in his schooling.

and God be with me then as I attempt to read and understand it! BWAHAHAHAAHA

 

[BakaFidelis]

So...has there been an answer to the OP's question really? Is this something we should vote on?

You know. Truthfully if they claim they are conservative, then why not add them to the list. At least until and unless they start teaching false doctrine or there is some secret doctrine they don't want us to know about

This isn't exactly fellowship only. ELS and WELS are not in fellowship with those dreaded LCMS and they are here. LOL just kidding, please don't cancel my internets and make my computer explode in a hail of fire and brimstone!

 

[RadMan]

Ya know Rad, your hostility does nothing to help fix whatever problems, real or perceived, that LCMS is having.

In the WELS, we call guys like you nattering naybobs of negativity. Always quick to judge, but never quick to help. We also call guys like you gators, who often simply exist to cause trouble for their congregations. I'm SURE you don't want to be part of either of those groups, right?

So you need to ask yourself whether you want to be part of the problem or part of the solution. Constantly griping and arguing with those that are members of the synod doesn't really do much to help the situation.




*PW wanders off to take her own advice.

Anybody with a dissenting opinion wouldn't have a chance here in this forum.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Rad, I've taken enough abuse today and yesterday from people. I don't need it from people in my own forum.

Kindly edit your post and issue an apology, please.

 

[RadMan]

Rad, I've taken enough abuse today and yesterday from people. I don't need it from people in my own forum.

Kindly edit your post and issue an apology, please.

No way Hoesa. You've abused me too and if you dish it out you're going to get it back. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Nothing to see here, move along!!