Should the GOP swing to the Center?

[fated]

Growing fat in our american fantasy land is little more than a distraction to the problems..the Church has and can be the vehicle to permanently relieving sufferingt, as opposed to trying to "elect" a sanctified gov't to do it.

All person's of good will must insist that Natural law (evolutionary law if you prefer) be written into the governmental policy, for the good of all mankind. This is not a group of 'beliefs' but a reality that must be upheld. The result of moving away from it is civil strife, both nationally and internationally.

It isn't a preference for or against a religion, but of understanding the human experience.

Typically the legislating morality argument is used to defend killing someone or determining that some people have more rights than others. Rather than assuming that all people have the same basic rights.

For instance, even if you believe that an embryo has no rights in a way that contradicts the value its mother places on it, then you, are saying that poor people and minorities have less rights. A preponderance for killing their children. And thus an assault on a minority, or a group who is outside of the societal 'norm.' You are, if you read the Planned Parenthood propaganda, explicitly protecting the rich from the poor. The Democratic platform, then, is the largest and most powerful hypocrisy in the world.

 

[baiguai]

I certainly don't see 'God' in politics as the reason for the GOPs recent losses. It was their opponents who were going out of their way to sound spiritual. Obama spoke of his faith and 'God' far more than McCain.
I think these commentators are simply wishing that the problem was God, because then both parties would abandon Him (even in rhetoric, I am not assuming they actually believe in The Living God, but they feel the need to talk it up - and why? because there are a lot of people in America who claim to believe in 'God')

I use (')s around God because in politics the word God usually refers to some vague undefined 'God'.

 

[Sketcher]

Growing fat in our american fantasy land is little more than a distraction to the problems..the Church has and can be the vehicle to permanently relieving sufferingt, as opposed to trying to "elect" a sanctified gov't to do it.

I do agree with you that it is the Church's job, rather than the government, but we also need to take a look at how we are helping, and if certain forms of "help" really do more harm than good. On the whole, I think aid to Africa does more harm than good. I would support missionaries, but I wouldn't go any further than that, at least right now.

 

[WannaWitness]

Church and politics do not mix well

A big AMEN to that!

 

[Simon_Templar]

Some times I really wonder where they dig up the talking heads that spout this stuff. Trying to be moderate is precisely why the party has fallen apart. They have been saying this same thing, and pushing the party more and more moderate through out recent memory. All it has done is give the democrats a near stranglehold on washington and leave the republicans in disarray.

I think they are pushing their own agenda, and this would fall under the heading that if they get people to say it enough "we need to be more moderate to win" then everyone will believe it despite the fact that it fails every time.

 

[Boazonfire]

Some times I really wonder where they dig up the talking heads that spout this stuff. Trying to be moderate is precisely why the party has fallen apart. They have been saying this same thing, and pushing the party more and more moderate through out recent memory. All it has done is give the democrats a near stranglehold on washington and leave the republicans in disarray.

I think they are pushing their own agenda, and this would fall under the heading that if they get people to say it enough "we need to be more moderate to win" then everyone will believe it despite the fact that it fails every time.

Amen, brother :.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

There has been a whole lot of commentary lately (in the news and elsewhere) that if the Republican Party wishes to succeed in 2010…Traditionalists should dump their conservative values for a more “moderate” approach.

Thoughts anyone?

Its ridiculous. Republicans win whenever they hold true to their principles, and they lose whenever they try to moderate.

When Bush tried to work with Kennedy and other Dems - and he did try to be bi-partision even though the media is erasing that part of history - all he accomplished was making his base angry and making the Dems laugh at him.

The left will always hate a conservative no matter how hard he tries tro accomodate them. So the way to win is to challenge the left in the arena of ideas, where they lose everytime

 

[Cris413]

I would like to see the GOP move back to a conservative and traditional platform. I think it unwise to say the least...to ever compromise.

Well see what happens in 2010...and how it pans out in 2012.

I find it interesting...people focus more on the last year Bush was in office than the 7 before.

And I would certainly like to see a more conservative House and Senate...dare to dream...

 

[c71clark]

Isn't there a line somewhere in the bible about spitting warm water from His mouth? The lesson being "Make a stand, choose a side, say yes or no" etc...

 

[JimfromOhio]

What we all need is diversity and unity with proper attitude. We all are living in the same country and we are actually living in a society that we all have to live together. If the Republican Party want people to see them with approval when they are displaying that Jesus is infinitely valuable to them, but they dare not make the opinion of others the measure of their faithfulness. They may be blind and resistant to truth because I am seeing discrimination, wrong attitudes, ignorance, stereotyping, and alienation.

The Republicans are losing diversed voters and today’s young people comprise the largest generation in American history.

One of the issues is this: Personal Libery that the Republican Party have been imposing on citizens by Congress what they can do or not do. The U.S. Constitution do not mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment. Many founders were believers themselves and they were well aware of the dangers of church-state union. Our nation's governing document ensures religious freedom for everyone.

My views of the Republican Party values are:
*Limited government power
*Balanced budget
*Personal liberty (of all cultures, religion, and beliefs)by having less government control of personal activity
*Strict adherence to the Constitution
*Sound stewardship
*Strong defense while avoiding wars as much as possible
*No policing the world but be a role model to the world how we govern our country.

 

[Ave Maria]

I don't care if the GOP swings to the center on some issues but if it swings to the center on the 5 non-negotiables, I will not vote for the Republican party. I will be forced to vote Independent. The 5 issues below are the 5 non-negotiables. I get this from the Catholic Answers Action Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics. They also make a Voter's Guide for Serious Christians that contain these 5 non-negotiables.

1. Abortion
2. Euthanasia
3. Embryonic Stem Cell Research
4. Human Cloning
5. Homosexual "Marriage"

Go to http://www.caaction.com/ to read the voter's guides or to order some.

I know it is a little late for this but why not get prepared for the next elections?

 

[Leimeng]

Our true roots? Like owning slaves or somethin'?

~ Actually, it was the Republican party that was formed specifically to advance the anti-slavery stance. The Democrat party is the historic and current party of racism and racebaiting in the USA.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

 

[Leimeng]

~ To be honest, the GOP is already to the left of center. A move to the center would actually be a move to the right...
~ Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin sound conservative compared to the Democrat party, but really their policy positions are better described as center-right.
~ Newt Ginrich, while a very intelligent and somewhat conservative man himself, has a lot of baggage that would prevent him from getting a nomination. Handing his his wife a divorce-notice while she was in the hospital dying of cancer so that he could marry a women he was having an affair with is a problem. (John Edwards was not the only to cheat on a wife in the hospital.)
~ There were three conservatives in the GOP running the last time, an none of them ever polled over 5%. (Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo)
~ Politics, like spirital warfare is not a game of checkers with ones nieces and nephews. Politics, like spiritual warfare is a blood sport. It is not nice. It is not polite. It is not friendly. It is not for the faint of heart. If you actually are concerned about politicial issues you need to understand this. You need to be willing to state what is, and what is not!
~ Obama and the Democrat party are an evil, collectivist, anti-family, anti-child, anti-American institute which holds more in common with the Nazis, Facist, and Soviets than they hold in common with our founding fathers. Until conservatives are willing to recognize this fact, and fight the enemy with the same determination we fought WWII there will not be a change.
~ Our founding fathers would be calling for an immediate armed revolution against the aristocratic, fascist cabal that currently runs Washington.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng,

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

 

[MrJim]

~ To be honest, the GOP is already to the left of center. A move to the center would actually be a move to the right...
~ Bobby Jindal and Sarah Palin sound conservative compared to the Democrat party, but really their policy positions are better described as center-right.
~ Newt Ginrich, while a very intelligent and somewhat conservative man himself, has a lot of baggage that would prevent him from getting a nomination. Handing his his wife a divorce-notice while she was in the hospital dying of cancer so that he could marry a women he was having an affair with is a problem. (John Edwards was not the only to cheat on a wife in the hospital.)
~ There were three conservatives in the GOP running the last time, an none of them ever polled over 5%. (Alan Keyes, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo)
~ Politics, like spirital warfare is not a game of checkers with ones nieces and nephews. Politics, like spiritual warfare is a blood sport. It is not nice. It is not polite. It is not friendly. It is for the faint of heart. If you actually are concerned about politicial issues you need to understand this. You need to be willing to state what is, and what is not!
~ Obama and the Democrat party are an evil, collectivist, anti-family, anti-child, anti-American institute which holds more in common with the Nazis, Facist, and Soviets than they hold in common with our founding fathers. Until conservatives are willing to recognize this fact, and fight the enemy with the same determination we fought WWII there will not be a change.
~ Our founding fathers would be calling for an immediate armed revolution against the aristocratic, fascist cabal that currently runs Washington.
~ Continue to discuss amongst yourselves...

Peace,

Leimeng,

Flatulo Ergo Sum ~~~

(***Insert Personal One Liner Here***)

That the "founding fathers" would be calling for revolution is one thing~the question that has to be asked is what does Jesus Christ want us to do and be. Christ trumps petty nationalism every time...

 

[Boazonfire]

That the "founding fathers" would be calling for revolution is one thing~the question that has to be asked is what does Jesus Christ want us to do and be. Christ trumps petty nationalism every time...

Well, I believe that God had a hand in guiding our forefathers across the Atlantic Ocean to establish this blessed nation we call United States. So, I don't think nationalisn in regard to this country is petty.

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

What we all need is diversity and unity with proper attitude. We all are living in the same country and we are actually living in a society that we all have to live together. If the Republican Party want people to see them with approval when they are displaying that Jesus is infinitely valuable to them, but they dare not make the opinion of others the measure of their faithfulness. They may be blind and resistant to truth because I am seeing discrimination, wrong attitudes, ignorance, stereotyping, and alienation.

The Republicans are losing diversed voters and today’s young people comprise the largest generation in American history.

All too true.

One of the issues is this: Personal Libery that the Republican Party have been imposing on citizens by Congress what they can do or not do. The U.S. Constitution do not mention of Christianity or Jesus Christ. In fact, the Constitution refers to religion only twice in the First Amendment. Many founders were believers themselves and they were well aware of the dangers of church-state union. Our nation's governing document ensures religious freedom for everyone.

Barry Goldwater would've agreed with this. As do I, one of the last of the Goldwater conservatives.

My views of the Republican Party values are:

*Limited government power
*Balanced budget
*Personal liberty (of all cultures, religion, and beliefs)by having less government control of personal activity
*Strict adherence to the Constitution
*Sound stewardship
*Strong defense while avoiding wars as much as possible
*No policing the world but be a role model to the world how we govern our country.

Those are admirable values... but they describe the Libertarian Party much better than they do the Republican Party. There was one Republican candidate who matched them last year: Ron Paul, who had been the Libertarian nominee in 1988.

 

[MrJim]

Well, I believe that God had a hand in guiding our forefathers across the Atlantic Ocean to establish this blessed nation we call United States. So, I don't think nationalisn in regard to this country is petty.

"Manifest Destiny" and all that...generally you find among people in the world that nationalism isn't healthy, except for one's own nation

 

[Boazonfire]

"Manifest Destiny" and all that...generally you find among people in the world that nationalism isn't healthy, except for one's own nation

That sword can cut both ways. Without nationalism and patriotism, you end up with a weak demoralized country that can be easily devoured by a stronger one. According to history, might is right.

 

[MrJim]

That sword can cut both ways. Without nationalism and patriotism, you end up with a weak demoralized country that can be easily devoured by a stronger one. According to history, might is right.

Yup~so you have lots of countries with lots of nationalism and patriotism, and most of 'em think God is on their side.

"Might makes right"~~definitely sounds like something Jesus Christ taught the apostles..after all, power comes from the barrel of a gun, and faith-well it's just a dice you roll to get lucky...(apologies to Mao & Camp)

 

[Albion]

"Manifest Destiny" and all that...generally you find among people in the world that nationalism isn't healthy, except for one's own nation

Well, it got us a free nation, didn't it? After all, if colonial Americans hadn't felt that they were different from Englishmen, we would have remained Englishmen with a monarch and no written constitution to limit the power of the central government.

*Limited government power
*Balanced budget
*Personal liberty (of all cultures, religion, and beliefs)by having less government control of personal activity
*Strict adherence to the Constitution
*Sound stewardship
*Strong defense while avoiding wars as much as possible
*No policing the world but be a role model to the world how we govern our country.

Yup, that pretty much summarizes it.