Should people have children if they can't afford it?

[C8-@]

The same way certain factions of Christianity say that Black people should be enslaved as they were created to be slaves and the same way Hitler justified killing the Jews as he himself was a Christian.

The word infidel btw, is exclusive to Christianity and does not apply to Islam. Beheading is a forbidden form of execution.

Good that you are reading up on Islam, bad that you are being drawn in to propaganda yet are like a Christian version of a Muslim from the way you talk.

Touche! I will concede that much evil has been committed in the name of Christ. Perhaps this is payback? Will you hide me and my family from your brothers when they come to execute us as did the true Christians of WWII, or free me from slavery and oppression as did Christian masters?

I will in return continue to welcome your refugees into my own back yard and do whatever I can to help them knowing (as Jesus knew Judas) that they will turn on me and mine eventually!

As-salamu alaykum brother.

 

[dogs4thewin]

As you are on benefits, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Isn't that what you people say?

Actually, I am no longer on need-based benefits. Even if I were, that is NOT the way the government is currently set up.

 

[nuttypiglet]

I live in the UK and children are taken care of by the government here. We have to remember we need children or there would be no future. We need teachers, Doctors, Nurses, Musicians etc etc and without children society would perish. God ordered us to fill the Earth after all. It doesn't matter if you can't afford Nike trainers for you child, what matters is you love your child and show him/her. I'm a firm believer that developed countries should pay for the raising and education of undeveloped countries.

 

[GraceDriven]

Exactly, unless young parents are wealthy already, or if folks wait until they have a successful life started.

I think the whole argument; however is not meeting the necessities. But, they did not specify. My kid's have cost an awful lot of money. I always seem to be handing over to someone.

 

[C8-@]

There is a difference between someone who has children they can afford and later cannot and someone who has children they KNOW they cannot afford for OTHER people to take care of for them. If you need help that is fine, but do not abuse the help by having children you KNOW you cannot afford. You here is being used generally.

Applying that logic China, India and most of Africa would be empty! Who would supply all your luxury goods then? (Your is being used generally).

 

[GraceDriven]

I have seen this subject hashed out so many times that it is kind of circular. It does not have an end. As for the poster, who said something about keeping it in the pants if you can not afford to take care of kids, that is not a recent development. Y'all know.... My Uncle told me a story too long about my great Aunt whose husband was drafted in World War II. They had three girls. He meet up with another woman during his service and never came back. It was my grandparents who looked after them for a while until social services were established in that era.
I will say this too...it is very hard being a parent in today's world. Very hard.

 

[C8-@]

and how do we know what we cannot afford?

and where is the trust in God? How can you say "I believe that all bounty comes from the almighty" but then say "I do not believe the almighty will provide for me and my children If I have any"

A door closes and a thousand doors open - If you have FAITH in God then you have nothing to worry about EVER. Yes, you do not buy a house If you cannot afford it, you do not put $10000 on your credit card If you cannot afford too.

But children? God Himself Has promised to provide for them, and His word supersedes your own. Making your argument mute.

Why am I in agreement with a Muslim (no offense intended) and in dispute with a Christian on a Christian Forum? The world has gone mad, maybe I should return to obscurity as every time I revisit this site it gets worse!

 

[patrick jane]

I disagree. God says to provide for you and your family. If you have children that you know you cannot provide for get fixed, do not have sex whatever you have to do, but do NOT keep having children.

Now, it is different if someone falls on hard times and ALREADY has children that it is acceptable.

I agree with your premise, I see too many young girls/women having multiple babies and going for free health care, food, and cash from the state and federal gov't. They get more the more kids they pop out.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Applying that logic China, India and most of Africa would be empty! Who would supply all your luxury goods then? (Your is being used generally).

Here we HAVE the resources people need to NOT have them. Plus, many times there they have them to work and the mortality rate is many times much higher ( particularly in Africa) If you do not have the money to care for them do not have them birth control or shocker keeping your parts to yourself works.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I have seen this subject hashed out so many times that it is kind of circular. It does not have an end. As for the poster, who said something about keeping it in the pants if you can not afford to take care of kids, that is not a recent development. Y'all know.... My Uncle told me a story too long about my great Aunt whose husband was drafted in World War II. They had three girls. He meet up with another woman during his service and never came back. It was my grandparents who looked after them for a while until social services were established in that era.
I will say this too...it is very hard being a parent in today's world. Very hard.

I did not say it was easy. Not becoming one, however is usually very easy.

 

[C8-@]

Here we HAVE the resources people need to NOT have them. Plus, many times there they have them to work and the mortality rate is many times much higher ( particularly in Africa) If you do not have the money to care for them do not have them birth control or shocker keeping your parts to yourself works.

I return to God's original premice! Go forth and multiply!

Just because we have perfected ways of dispensing with life e.g. getting fixed, birth control, abortion, stealing the wealth and resources of others so that their mortality rates are much higher than ours, does not negate God's command! I do not believe in nor wish to have anything to do with a god who advocates such things!

I kept my parts to myself until I got married at 27 (like many good Christians do) but now I'm at liberty to use them until they no longer work!

 

[GraceDriven]

I did not say it was easy. Not becoming one, however is usually very easy.

If it was that simple in a society.....

 

[dogs4thewin]

I return to God's original premice! Go forth and multiply!

Just because we have perfected ways of dispensing with life e.g. getting fixed, birth control, abortion, stealing the wealth and resources of others so that their mortality rates are much higher than ours, does not negate God's command! I do not believe in nor wish to have anything to do with a god who advocates such things!

I kept my parts to myself until I got married at 27 (like many good Christians do) but now I'm at liberty to use them until they no longer work!

Well, why would God NOT want us to be responsiable and only have what we could handle. We are to manage our resources and when we do not at that point God has issues with that. Our resources include our money and time both of which are important for children.

Again, I do not have an issue with people having as many children as they like, so long as the care of those children does not land on the government.

 

[Mohamad Al-zawahreh]

Touche! I will concede that much evil has been committed in the name of Christ. Perhaps this is payback? Will you hide me and my family from your brothers when they come to execute us as did the true Christians of WWII, or free me from slavery and oppression as did Christian masters?

I will in return continue to welcome your refugees into my own back yard and do whatever I can to help them knowing (as Jesus knew Judas) that they will turn on me and mine eventually!

As-salamu alaykum brother.

Wa alikum asalam.

Yes, I will protect you from those who seek to unjustly harm you and your family. and I will sacrifice my own life if necessary to protect yours. and If they do turn on you, then take pleasure in knowing that God is on your side and not theirs. and that He is The Just, The Merciful, The Loving.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If it was that simple in a society.....

Well, it is with the exception of rape ( which do not get me wrong is an AWFUL and terrible thing, but otherwise no one is requiring you to do what it takes to have children, and if you are raped then I have no issue helping such people. I WILL say a rape case among adults is HARD to prove.

 

[Mohamad Al-zawahreh]

So are you suggesting that God wants us to be irresponsiable because children do not just show up. Yes, I do believe He will provide that does not mean that you should have children you cannot care for because He will provide. For example, He will provide does that mean that if I am unemployed and have bills to pay I just do not look for a job.

The Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said: Put your trust in Allah, but tie your camal's at night.

As long as you are doing all that you can to provide for yourself and your family - then put your trust in Allah.

That does not mean sit down in your room and do nothing and expect to be provided for, it means do everything you can and leave the rest to God. it is not irresponsible to get married - as the entire concept of "financially stable" is in of itself flawed.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said: Put your trust in Allah, but tie your camal's at night.

As long as you are doing all that you can to provide for yourself and your family - then put your trust in Allah.

That does not mean sit down in your room and do nothing and expect to be provided for, it means do everything you can and leave the rest to God. it is not irresponsible to get married - as the entire concept of "financially stable" is in of itself flawed.

How is it flawed?

 

[Mohamad Al-zawahreh]

Not sure what your getting at here?

My answer to the original posters question. As well as my reply to the implication of Islam being a violent-promoting religion as suggested by the man I was replying too.

What did you think I was getting at?

 

[malvina]

This is a very controversial issue but I come from the days when no-one got pensions for having children and nice girls (tried) to wait till they got married before having babies. We also did not get pensions for being left on our own with a couple of kids. I was forced into leaving my husband through abuse and unless I could afford to start a divorce and hope for maintenance we got nothing! I had to make it on my own and do you know what? Nothing made me prouder or could give me more confidence for my future life.
I have had first-hand information that many girls in Australia have babies simply to get pensions so they don't have to work. They get paid for every extra one they have - and I think this is crazy! They all live off the state but of course I am an old lady - and very old-fashioned - so what would I know?

 

[dogs4thewin]

This is a very controversial issue but I come from the days when no-one got pensions for having children and nice girls (tried) to wait till they got married before having babies. We also did not get pensions for being left on our own with a couple of kids. I was forced into leaving my husband through abuse and unless I could afford to start a divorce and hope for maintenance we got nothing! I had to make it on my own and do you know what? Nothing made me prouder or could give me more confidence for my future life.
I have had first-hand information that many girls in Australia have babies simply to get pensions so they don't have to work. They get paid for every extra one they have - and I think this is crazy! They all live off the state but of course I am an old lady - and very old-fashioned - so what would I know?

Sounds a little like here. I am not saying, by any means that all of them are like that.