Should people have children if they can't afford it?

[dogs4thewin]

It is.

No it is not. It is about having children "keeping it in your pants" so to speak not about what you do once you have failed to do so.

 

[Mohamad Al-zawahreh]

There is a difference between someone who has children they can afford and later cannot and someone who has children they KNOW they cannot afford for OTHER people to take care of for them. If you need help that is fine, but do not abuse the help by having children you KNOW you cannot afford. You here is being used generally.

and how do we know what we cannot afford?

and where is the trust in God? How can you say "I believe that all bounty comes from the almighty" but then say "I do not believe the almighty will provide for me and my children If I have any"

A door closes and a thousand doors open - If you have FAITH in God then you have nothing to worry about EVER. Yes, you do not buy a house If you cannot afford it, you do not put $10000 on your credit card If you cannot afford too.

But children? God Himself Has promised to provide for them, and His word supersedes your own. Making your argument mute.

 

[Ecclectic79]

I have my own controversial suggestion - there should be a certain qualifying threshold on this where in essence the kids would go to boarding schools and essentially have the influence of their parents separated from them. I think of, for instance, the situation in the inner city where the habit of both the parents and the community do a lot of damage to kids growing up there. Taking them out of town, out of the city really, essentially shirt-and-tie academies, it might not be a bad move.

 

[GraceDriven]

No it is not. It is about having children "keeping it in your pants" so to speak not about what you do once you have failed to do so.

So poor people should not have kids. This society makes me sick. And I don't know where to even begin. I would leave unfortunately, my ancestors go far enough back that I am stuck fighting against the "jerks" in this society.

 

[Hetta]

I have my own controversial suggestion - there should be a certain qualifying threshold on this where in essence the kids would go to boarding schools and essentially have the influence of their parents separated from them. I think of, for instance, the situation in the inner city where the habit of both the parents and the community do a lot of damage to kids growing up there. Taking them out of town, out of the city really, essentially shirt-and-tie academies, it might not be a bad move.

What snobbery. Plenty of poor people work hard and love their children, but if they don't fit your criteria, their children should be removed. Sounds like something from an Orwell novel. And who would pay for boarding school? And who would actually love and encourage those children, because you can't pay people to do that.

 

[Mohamad Al-zawahreh]

I have my own controversial suggestion - there should be a certain qualifying threshold on this where in essence the kids would go to boarding schools and essentially have the influence of their parents separated from them. I think of, for instance, the situation in the inner city where the habit of both the parents and the community do a lot of damage to kids growing up there. Taking them out of town, out of the city really, essentially shirt-and-tie academies, it might not be a bad move.

Then what is there to tie them to their parents? Who will raise them? their teachers? Would that not destroy the inherit bond they have to their parents?

 

[dogs4thewin]

and how do we know what we cannot afford?

and where is the trust in God? How can you say "I believe that all bounty comes from the almighty" but then say "I do not believe the almighty will provide for me and my children If I have any"

A door closes and a thousand doors open - If you have FAITH in God then you have nothing to worry about EVER. Yes, you do not buy a house If you cannot afford it, you do not put $10000 on your credit card If you cannot afford too.

But children? God Himself Has promised to provide for them, and His word supersedes your own. Making your argument mute.

So are you suggesting that God wants us to be irresponsiable because children do not just show up. Yes, I do believe He will provide that does not mean that you should have children you cannot care for because He will provide. For example, He will provide does that mean that if I am unemployed and have bills to pay I just do not look for a job.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The same way certain factions of Christianity say that Black people should be enslaved as they were created to be slaves and the same way Hitler justified killing the Jews as he himself was a Christian.

The word infidel btw, is exclusive to Christianity and does not apply to Islam. Beheading is a forbidden form of execution.

Good that you are reading up on Islam, bad that you are being drawn in to propaganda yet are like a Christian version of a Muslim from the way you talk.

Sahih International: And marry the unmarried among you and the righteous among your male slaves and female slaves. If they should be poor, Allah will enrich them from His bounty, and Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

Not sure what your getting at here?

 

[dogs4thewin]

So poor people should not have kids. This society makes me sick. And I don't know where to even begin. I would leave unfortunately, my ancestors go far enough back that I am stuck fighting against the "jerks" in this society.

If they cannot provide for them then no they should not have kids.

 

[Hetta]

This kind of thing has been done many times before with terrible results. Perhaps people should Google Australia's "stolen children". White, European missionaries kidnapped mixed race (aborigine/white European) children away their parents and put them into orphanages. What a terrible crime. There, I even found a link about it. There is also a movie about it, called "Rabbit Proof Fence" which is a true story and heartbreaking to watch.

http://www.australianstogether.org.au/stories/detail/the-stolen-generations

 

[patrick jane]

I wonder what kind of percentage of new parents or a new single mom that can actually afford a baby to raise.

 

[Hetta]

If they cannot provide for them then no they should not have kids.

Thankfully you're not in a position to do anything about it.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I have my own controversial suggestion - there should be a certain qualifying threshold on this where in essence the kids would go to boarding schools and essentially have the influence of their parents separated from them. I think of, for instance, the situation in the inner city where the habit of both the parents and the community do a lot of damage to kids growing up there. Taking them out of town, out of the city really, essentially shirt-and-tie academies, it might not be a bad move.

Oh great ... elite orphans

 

[GraceDriven]

I wonder what kind of percentage of new parents or a new single mom that can actually afford a baby to raise.

No one truly can afford the cost of having a child.

 

[MehGuy]

This kind of thing has been done many times before with terrible results. Perhaps people should Google Australia's "stolen children". White, European missionaries kidnapped mixed race (aborigine/white European) children away their parents and put them into orphanages. What a terrible crime. There, I even found a link about it. There is also a movie about it, called "Rabbit Proof Fence" which is a true story and heartbreaking to watch.

http://www.australianstogether.org.au/stories/detail/the-stolen-generations

Ah, I watched Rabbit Proof Fence for a college class once. Good film, I need to watch it again soon.

 

[Hetta]

I wonder what kind of percentage of new parents or a new single mom that can actually afford a baby to raise.

Most of us do wait. The anti-birth control crew are the ones who think you should let God take care of it all, while God actually gave people a brain so they could figure it out. So, my husband and I waited a while, even though we were comfortably off, so that we could have time as a couple, and then we started our family. From all the people I know who have kids, they were very concerned about the cost, and put off child bearing until they were secure financially. My eldest son married in May and he and his new wife are waiting for a few years to get consolidated in their careers, have some time travelling, and then they will start a family. That's the smart way to do it, and much as I long for a grandchild to spoil, I am glad they have thought it through.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Thankfully you're not in a position to do anything about it.

Actually, I kind of am. I am an American citizen who has reached her 18th birthday and is registered to vote. Therefore, I can choose to vote for people who support my views which include not giving people insentive to have kids in the form of more money on a welfare check.

 

[Hetta]

Ah, I watched Rabbit Proof Fence for a college class once. Good film, I need to watch it again soon.

True story too. I found it very hard to watch.

 

[Hetta]

Actually, I kind of am. I am an American citizen who has reached her 18th birthday and is registered to vote. Therefore, I can choose to vote for people who support my views which include not giving people insentive to have kids in the form of more money on a welfare check.

As you are on benefits, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Isn't that what you people say?

 

[patrick jane]

No one truly can afford the cost of having a child.

Exactly, unless young parents are wealthy already, or if folks wait until they have a successful life started.