Should people have children if they can't afford it?

[C8-@]

I do too !!!


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In response to your picture... Unless of course your kids are playing Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Halo etc. etc. In which case fair game! They're all being primed for war one way or another! Preparation for the Tribulation!

 

[Jasrocaby]

Perhaps they are too poor to afford birth control. Love is one of the few things that is (generally speaking) free.

Perhaps they should abstain from participating in the reproduction act (or in the more modern vernacular or words, having sex). I understand that many of us, in this day and age of self gratification of "if it feels good , do it", tend to forget the consequences of our actions . I , myself was, and sometimes still am guilty of it, though now my wife and I do not need or use birth control (too old). As a Catholic, contraception is a sin and my wife , who is not a Catholic (baptized Lutheran) had a tubaligation ( which I did not object to, so that is my sin, which I have confessed). The sexual union ( for man and woman ) was created to be "fruitful and multiply" not for nightly entertainment or to have a good time. I do believe that somewhere in here Satan is doing his best to turn a beautiful thing into crap. Sorry for that last word, but that is the way I feel about this. I'm not an authority on animal behavior, but I do believe that if a female (animal) is in heat, that is the cue for the male to woo ( an old term) and reproduce. We are not animals. We were created in God's image and hopefully with the intelligence He has given us, we can do as He wishes. If you have love to give and can't afford children, give your love to our creator.

 

[SkyWriting]

If being poor doesn't justify robbing somebody, then it doesn't justify aborting pregnancy either. Anyway, you should take a look at the origin of birth control and it really just hurt women. The pill was seen, sadly, as the actual remedy to female liberation on all fronts, and it backfired on them.

So would it be the pill causing this situation or
not using said pill?

 

[SkyWriting]

I have a friend that when we meet up, we always end up talking about a fairly controversial issue and often can never agree on them. This came up yesterday as we were watching a programme on a family on welfare benefits with 11 children who were saying that the government were not helping them enough to look after the children and buy what they need. What are your views? Should the government/ general public be in the position to pay for this?

While government assistance may be needed, private assistance programs
would solve the problem better in the long term.

 

[patrick jane]

In response to your picture... Unless of course your kids are playing Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, Halo etc. etc. In which case fair game! They're all being primed for war one way or another! Preparation for the Tribulation!

true.

 

[malvina]

So would it be the pill causing this situation or
not using said pill?

I believe the pill has caused a lot of the worlds' problems I was there when it was first introduced and things were noticed straight away. First were the deaths from blood clots and later came the autism and aspergers Then came the problem women were having with getting fertilised - going to clinics to have a baby. Immunisations have been blamed for a lot but it was after the pill - and what else is to be expected!? People thinking they can do God's work for them - preventing their bodies from acting naturally - they was asking for it!
I took a group of 15 girls on a sales job once. We stayed at a hotel they was all skinny-dipping in the pool at night which amazed me. I asked, 'Hey, don't any of you have your periods?' Answer was they never had them! they got rid of them with the pill. I knew there and then that these girls were in for trouble in later life.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Perhaps they are too poor to afford birth control. Love is one of the few things that is (generally speaking) free.

The poor in the US is entitled to medical. That shouldn't be an issue.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I have a friend that when we meet up, we always end up talking about a fairly controversial issue and often can never agree on them.

This came up yesterday as we were watching a programme on a family on welfare benefits with 11 children who were saying that the government were not helping them enough to look after the children and buy what they need.

What are your views? Should the government/ general public be in the position to pay for this?

I could under stand the government helping with 1 or 2 kids, until the parents get back on their feet. Or someone needing it for a few years. They have programs in Ca to get people schooling, child care and jobs. But no we shouldn't have to pay for parents to raise 11 of their children for ever. Also they get medical and could get fix. There's no excuse for this, unless they aren't in the US.

 

[frish]

Thanks to our "stewardship" the Earth is rapidly heading in a direction that won't support Human Life anymore.
Since I believe this to be true, no one should have children, anywhere, anymore.

If you understand anything about systems and cycles, you know we're all fluxed up.

Not one dimension of human activity is sustainable, and much of what we're doing is destroying the web of life that supports our existence.

How can we decide that X number of TONS of sardines are somehow 'excess' so we can 'harvest' them, without regard to the creatures that evolved (unlike us) to eat tons of sardines...no sustainable fisheries by 2050.

Humans will be using 90% of the fresh water on the planet by 2025.

We already outweigh all our wild prey, a really bad position for the top predator to be in.

People need to shed their beliefs, and come to understood that we're here as hosts to our microbiome, and our purpose is to poop, so that other things may live too.

www.vhemt.org we're volunteers, and we're vehement. It's the only non-coercive means to reduce the numbers who will suffer at the end (human extinction by 2100 or so...).

 

[malvina]

I believe that EVERYONE should be able to have free health with everyone contributing through their employer like as in England when I was there. Because of this arrangement, I was able to go through an early divorce, raise my kids myself, had 10 operations and 3 deadly illnesses and never drew Social Security in my life! -including here in Australia I am now on an aged pension and feel that is my right having worked for 53 years

 

[LOVEthroughINTELLECT]

I have a friend that when we meet up, we always end up talking about a fairly controversial issue and often can never agree on them.

This came up yesterday as we were watching a programme on a family on welfare benefits with 11 children who were saying that the government were not helping them enough to look after the children and buy what they need.

What are your views? Should the government/ general public be in the position to pay for this?

Only people on "welfare" directly benefit from government redistribution of resources?

I am sure that there are plenty of resources redistributed by the government that people on "welfare" do not qualify for. For example, most of them probably do not have a mortgage and therefore do not get to deduct mortgage interest from their taxable income like people not on "welfare" do.

It is right for some people to receive government-redistributed resources but wrong for other people?

 

[KitKatMatt]

Semi-blind post:

I believe in a government that supports its people. So I believe that the government should help support families when they decide to have children, no matter what their income level.

Prenatal care, parenting classes, healthcare (for everyone, parent and child), good nutrition/access to cheap and healthy food, free/cheap daycare, and parental leave should be provided to everyone. I think we should completely revamp our adoption system as well to make it easier and safer for kids to be placed in the loving homes with families who will provide them the love and care they very much deserve.

I also think the government should provide comprehensive sex ed, make contraceptives (of all types) cheap/free and easily available, and make the personal decision to sterilize easier for the purpose of making sure people have the knowledge and ability to fully control their decisions to reproduce or not.

I have made the decision to not reproduce. That's mine and mine alone. Other people love kids and really want their own. I don't think someone's financial state should dictate whether or not they should have children. That is classist and wrong.

 

[timewerx]

There's no excuse for this, unless they aren't in the US.

This is absolutely no excuse for this if you live in a 3rd world country like myself. Our corrupt government run by thieves don't spend much effort, nor funds to help the poor.. They use our hard earned tax money to build their mansions, live like super stars, and wire them to their Swiss accounts.

Poor kids often end up in crime where I live. I can't raise a child in this kind of environment, not even 1.

 

[Back 2 Christ]

Sadly certain factions also teach that beheading me and my infidel offspring is necessary as is perpetrating the atrocities committed in Paris on Friday in the name of Allah!

...and even more sadly, you have to greedily consume the hater-aid that's being passed around. You have to jump to the dark side of the Force in order to paint 1.6 Billion (yes with a B) people with that big of a paint sprayer. Perhaps you should be looking at the United States government, creator, sponsor and trainers of the very agents who claim responsibility for these atrocities. Perhaps you should ask who's funding this government. Perhaps you should avoid judging before you have all the facts...or at least more than the soundbites put out by said government.

 

[quatona]

I have a friend that when we meet up, we always end up talking about a fairly controversial issue and often can never agree on them.

This came up yesterday as we were watching a programme on a family on welfare benefits with 11 children who were saying that the government were not helping them enough to look after the children and buy what they need.

What are your views? Should the government/ general public be in the position to pay for this?

What would be the alternative plan for the community to deal with children whose parents can´t afford their upbringing?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I believe that EVERYONE should be able to have free health with everyone contributing through their employer like as in England when I was there. Because of this arrangement, I was able to go through an early divorce, raise my kids myself, had 10 operations and 3 deadly illnesses and never drew Social Security in my life! -including here in Australia I am now on an aged pension and feel that is my right having worked for 53 years

Social Security is something people pay into, So they have money when they retire or get a certain age , and to help the disabled. I believe the government tries to use it for other reasons. At least that's what I've been told. Some people are lucky to have other money coming in, when they retire too.

 

[squirrel123]

As far as I am aware God hasn't revoked His first commandment! I.e. Go forth and multiply and fill the earth etc.

At 7.3 billion people and counting, and the world fast running out of natural resources, don't you think "fill the earth" can perhaps be ticked off as accomplished?

 

[timewerx]

At 7.3 billion people and counting, and the world fast running out of natural resources, don't you think "fill the earth" can perhaps be ticked off as accomplished?

Maybe we should fill every square foot and also upwards since we can make very tall buildings that reach the clouds....

It looks to me like a severe case of human infestation....

 

[malvina]

Social Security is something people pay into, So they have money when they retire or get a certain age , and to help the disabled. I believe the government tries to use it for other reasons. At least that's what I've been told. Some people are lucky to have other money coming in, when they retire too.

Friend, I believe this too - in fact I KNOW it - I have had 4 public service jobs and seen fraud in each department
Recently I have come to the conclusion that the majority of leaders and politicians are in it for what they can get out of it. I have lost trust in leaders. One by one, our worlds' leaders are being outed for corruption. If it's not to do with their jobs it's to do with the money they get from them by putting it in tax havens etc
I wonder exactly how many of our worlds' population are really honest? Maybe the JW's 144,000 for heaven - is not such a crazy figure after all!

Actually - it's all quite clever really, I'll give you all your allowances, keep you happy, then you will favour me and vote me back in so I can keep my hand in the till

 

[mohunt]

I live in New Zealand. Our government pays for these children to. I have worked as a teacher in early childhood. I have worked with children who have been placed in foster homes and with children who have grown in families that are quite dysfunctional and have no parent working. I know of cases where both parents have lost their jobs and have children to raise - for these parents I admire them as they are trying to be good role models for their children. God did say to us that it is good for us to work and to be wise.

I have a problem when a woman becomes pregnant more than once - when it is out of wedlock and when no one has a job. When pregnancy happens once, I can forgive it as both people involved have stuffed up and even twice I can still forgive it. When pregnancy happens over and over it becomes harder to forgive. It's less of a stuff up and it means that these people are not learning from their mistakes. It doesn't mean that I love the people any less (or their children) - they need love. Somewhere along the line welfare agencies probably need to get tougher - after a certain no. of children the rest are adopted out or put in foster homes or one of the parents are seriously pushed to find work or perhaps do community work - if anything so they can be good role models for their children (showing them that it is important to contribute to society and not merely to take from it).

Here we are dealing with inter-generational unemployment and there is an attitude that passes from parent to child that the Government should pay more - it's just expected. Government purses can only do that for so long - their budget is not a bottomless kitty - sooner or later it could run dry. Churches should step it up as well by being involved in these communities more. Teaching budgeting and giving food is one thing. But what about the parts about taking responsibility for their families, love and contribution to community based on biblical principals.