Should Hamas Surrender?

[Landon Caeli]

Okay, that’s a valid opinion.
So, it it your opinion, (as well) that Israel had done nothing to have provoked this war?

Your question sounds like a well balanced one, until we recall that the Palestinian government intentionally planned a ground assault against innocent, unarmed families, hiding in their bedrooms, where parents were executed in front of their children, and children in front of their parents, for crimes that they didn't personally commit... Because they were Jews.

...So we know Hamas provoked a war. Clearly.

 

[honey badger]

Citation needed.

fake news out of Bidons mouth

“It is important for Americans to see what is happening. I have been doing this for a long time. I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.”


A Biden administration official clarified On Thursday that the president and administration have not seen pictures or verified reports of children beheaded by Hamas, CNN's Donald Judd and Kayla Tausche reported.

 

[Desk trauma]

fake news out of Bidons mouth

“It is important for Americans to see what is happening. I have been doing this for a long time. I never thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children.”


A Biden administration official clarified On Thursday that the president and administration have not seen pictures or verified reports of children beheaded by Hamas, CNN's Donald Judd and Kayla Tausche reported.

A paragraph with no attribution isn’t a citation.

 

[honey badger]

A paragraph with no attribution isn’t a citation.

take it up with Donald Judd and Kayla Tausche from CNN

 

[Desk trauma]

take it up with Donald Judd and Kayla Tausche from CNN

They are not posting here.

 

[honey badger]

They are not posting here.

well i attributed a citation from them which is what you asked for

 

[Desk trauma]

well i attributed a citation from them which is what you asked for

I asked for a citation, not your say so.

 

[honey badger]

I asked for a citation, not your say so.

google it

 

[dfw69]

I think the conspiracy forum is that way ------>

Conspiracy theory is a category to hide the truth …

 

[durangodawood]

Hamas should not exist.

Gaza should not be a hopeless open air prison non-state.

 

[dfw69]

Your post only contain opinion/conjecture, therefore belong in Conspiracy Theory Section.
Further, they are dragging the thread off topic.

Fine I have spoken my peace … deuces

 

[ChurchBuilder]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Israel was doing what many believe they should have been doing, which was try to help the Palestinians in order to try and bring about peace in the region. Only it tuned out you can't make peace with a terrorist organization that has called for your extermination. But at least they tried, to their their own detriment.

I mean the Palestinians have cartoons teaching kids to hate and kill the Jews. You would think the Israeli's would realize you can't really negotiate with people like that. But I guess they can be just as ignorant as everyone else.

It is true that the israeli gov created Hamas. Learn the documented history in the links below:

Link 1:

Link 2:

 

[rjs330]

the fake news of 40 babies having their heads cut of was retracted ...

It hasn't been retracted. Only Bidens statement that he saw the photos has been.

The best that can be said is that right now the beheading of babies hasn't been fully corroborated. That's a far cry from fake.

Perhaps it turns out to be, but we don't know. So you can believe what you want to believe. I choose to believe the information provided that it was true. You choose not to. That's okay. On of us is right and one is wrong. Which one remains to be seen.

 

[rjs330]

It is true that the israeli gov created Hamas. Learn the documented history in the links below:

Link 1:

Link 2:

That's not what he was saying. A lot of countries have made mistakes in their support of one group over another. It happens. But Israel did not create Hamas to be it's enemy and a Zionist arm. That's patiently ridiculous. That would be like say the US supported the Taliban just so they can have an enemy to fight and be an arm of the Imperialism of America because we desire to rule Afghanistan.

Even your videos don't make the claims he was making. The PLO was seen as the dangerous group and the shiek or whoever was seen as the PLOs opposition. He was not seen as an enemy to create just so they have someone they can have attack their own people so they can make war to take over all of Palestine.

This is wild conspiracy stuff and belongs on the conspiracy forum.

 

[ChurchBuilder]

That's not what he was saying. A lot of countries have made mistakes in their support of one group over another. It happens. But Israel did not create Hamas to be it's enemy and a Zionist arm. That's patiently ridiculous. That would be like say the US supported the Taliban just so they can have an enemy to fight and be an arm of the Imperialism of America because we desire to rule Afghanistan.

Even your videos don't make the claims he was making. The PLO was seen as the dangerous group and the shiek or whoever was seen as the PLOs opposition. He was not seen as an enemy to create just so they have someone they can have attack their own people so they can make war to take over all of Palestine.

This is wild conspiracy stuff and belongs on the conspiracy forum.

God bless you. I am sorry you misunderstood. With all due respect, I simply posted 2 historical videos from credible sources for objective analysis; You wanted to compare it what "he said", tying it to "conspiracy stuff", which was not the intention of the post. Peace.

 

[rjs330]

God bless you. I am sorry you misunderstood. With all due respect, I simply posted 2 historical videos from credible sources for objective analysis; You wanted to compare it what "he said", tying it to "conspiracy stuff", which was not the intention of the post. Peace.

Thanks for clarifying. It's not always easy to be clear on these threads. I fully accept it when someone wants to clarify. I won't immediately jump to, "your moving the goal posts." I accept your clarification.

And by the way, I didn't watch them both, but I the one I did watch was good and of historical value.

 

[Lukaris]

Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood & Israel negotiated with them as a lesser evil rival in a situation of shifting alliances. Hamas is it’s own clear identity & ideology.


While historically seeking an Islamic Palestinian state over the combined territory of Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip (rejecting the two-state solution),[69][70] Hamas began negotiating with Israel and the 1967 borders in the agreements it signed with Fatah in 2005, 2006 and 2007.[71] However, scholars reported that Hamas' 2017 charter supported a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders without recognizing Israel,[72][73][74][75] and instead retained the long-term objective of establishing one state in the former Mandate Palestine.[76][77

Hamas - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[mark46]

just a note about FUEL FOR HOSPITALS

The world thinks that Israel should work hard to allow fuel to come accross the Egyptian border, even though Hamas may steal or attack such shipments.

I think that I have a better idea. Hamas and the Hamas government have fuel. Perhaps the government and military of Hamas should be providing fuel to Gaza hospitals, especially those in the South.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Perhaps the government and military of Hamas should be providing fuel to Gaza hospitals, especially those in the South.

That's all well and good, but Hamas isn't doing that, and most of the western world has little in the way of leverage to convince them to. So do we throw up our hands and say that it's all Hamas's fault that everyone is dying, or do we look for other solutions (like Israel allowing fuel shipments across the border)?

 

[Fantine]

Electricity can be provided in the normal way (through Israel) without fear of Hamas using it for rockets. It is against human 7