Should a Christian Date A Non-Christian?

[LOVEthroughINTELLECT]

Really? You mean there are reliable epistemologies other than empiricism? Let's hear about them!...

Sigh.

Why do people do this?

No, I did not say anything about "reliable" or "epistemologies".

Why shouldn't we privilege scientific empiricism and critical thinking? This is the epistemology that has built our modern world, and there is no way of viewing the world that is more inherently useful...

I would raise children to decide for themselves what should be privileged and what is useful.

Intuition is very often wrong...

My experience has been that intuition is almost always right.

I wish that somebody had at an earlier age made me conscious of intuition and encouraged me to trust it.

Going by your gut...

I doubt that many people who have made deep inquiries into the nature of intuition would define it as "going by your gut".

can very often lead to serious errors in judgment,...

Maybe because people have not learned how to use intuition effectively?

and as such really should not be encouraged, so much as trying to understand the situation and reach reasoned conclusions based on the evidence...

Or people could learn to use tuition effectively and have another powerful tool in their toolbox in addition to formal reason.

There is simply no reason to privilege intuition like that...

Straw man.

I never said that anything should be privileged.

Aesthetics is nice to have to easily something one can develop on their own with no need for instruction,...

Hogwash.

I have probably never been able to fully appreciate, say, the music that I listen to. And trying to get people to appreciate it to the degree that I am able to appreciate it is often challenging.

And the appreciation I have for interior design would not be possible without the informal instruction from leisurely reading that I have done on the topic. It would be compounded greatly by, say, the formal academic instruction of a college interior design program.

and it's important to remember that what is beautiful is not necessarily right...

I have not stated or suggested anything to the contrary.

Postmodernism is fundamentally a terrible way of assessing the truth...

Postmodernism is a social and intellectual movement, not a method or technique.

Science works...

And future generations may suffer greatly because of that, speaking of children.

A lot of humans and non-human animals have already suffered greatly because of the work of science.

Intuition and aestheticism don't.

Speak for yourself.

 

[de1929]

No idea what you just said.

You basically just professed your misconceptions about atheists. Also, do you really think that an atheist will pray? If you expect that you are simply kidding yourself. It's not like praying helps anyway, there is no proof whatsoever that praying has ever helped any scenario, not to mention the vast majority of individuals with serious illnesses, serious issues, who pray and see no result.

Nothing fails like prayer. In fact an atheist would probably help much more than their christian wife who is fine to just pray. "Please honey come pray for help"
"No thanks, instead of praying i'm getting in my car to go and actually help".

i think i talk too much. ok 1-by-1. Do you understand what i mean: the strong prevails ?

 

[Heatios]

i think i talk too much. ok 1-by-1. Do you understand what i mean: the strong prevails ?

Yep, Darwin: Survival of the fittest.

 

[de1929]

Yep, Darwin: Survival of the fittest.

aha... i actually wanna put the giraffe with picture lol.. i think you know what i mean. google: giraffe darwin

anyway back to discussion:
i just want to help people to understand, that being christian, is a way to be the strongest.

missionary dating should start with this mindset, and conversion, or influencing, will be easy. the strong person will win over the weaker person.

 

[Heatios]

aha... i actually wanna put the giraffe with picture lol.. i think you know what i mean. google: giraffe darwin

anyway back to discussion:
i just want to help people to understand, that being christian, is a way to be the strongest.

missionary dating should start with this mindset, and conversion, or influencing, will be easy. the strong person will win over the weaker person.

You can believe that. Have at it, hoss. How ever don't impose this belief on others, and don't force it on to anyone, that is not a trait of the strong, it's a trait of the weak trying to pass it off as strong.

 

[de1929]

I am kind of confused on this. I've been told that dating a non-Christian is unbiblical with the conflicting belief systems, but I have also heard that as long as the person isn't anti-Christianity then it's okay, and you can do missionary dating, as in convince them to convert while dating. Which is really true?

Please provide biblical support for any answers.

Baptist cannot, because you believe in cessasionism. It does not support my theory, the strong prevails
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessationism

Pentecostal / wof, possible. It is because we believe in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuationism
but, it's a military mission. it has to start with spiritual warfare in mind (continualism thinking).
it support my theory, the strong prevails, through continualism thinking

--- don't ask bible verses, because cesasionist n continualism looks same bible with different mindset:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessationism_versus_Continuationism

 

[de1929]

You can believe that. Have at it, hoss. How ever don't impose this belief on others, and don't force it on to anyone, that is not a trait of the strong, it's a trait of the weak trying to pass it off as strong.

i got bullied by atheist in malaysia forum, the non christian forum, and the thread got deleted.
so i threaten the mod. the mod challenged if GOD talk to him, then he will restore the thread. the thread name is WWJD.

in short, by end of 2015 just learned that some website autosave WWJD thread for last 7 months.
i call it miracle, some people call it coincidence, some people call me outdated.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3811462
or jump to post 11 and read backward from 1
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3811462&st=0&p=77973387&#entry77973387

this year, in lowyat i will reopen WWJD thread V2. now both malaysian + you will see either i am outdated with technology or it's trully miracles.

influences of the stronger ?

 

[Heatios]

i got bullied by atheist in malaysia forum, the non christian forum, and the thread got deleted.
so i threaten the mod. the mod challenged if GOD talk to him, then he will restore the thread. the thread name is WWJD.

in short, by end of 2015 just learned that some website autosave WWJD thread for last 7 months.
i call it miracle, some people call it coincidence, some people call me outdated.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3811462
or jump to post 11 and read backward from 1
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3811462&st=0&p=77973387&#entry77973387

this year, in lowyat i will reopen WWJD thread V2. now both malaysian + you will see either i am outdated with technology or it's trully miracles.

influences of the stronger ?

I have no idea what you are saying anymore.

 

[The Cadet]

My wife is Christian, I'm not, and we are going on 26 years of (mostly lol) happy marriage. The children were the tricky part, we agreed that we wouldn't foist any opinion on them, and let them choose their faith when they became adults.

...I think you'll find a lot of Christians who could point you to direct biblical citation that your wife is a bad christian. :/

I mean what kind of world do we live in, where because someone disagrees with you on a subject you can't have a relationship with them.

If I'm looking for a long-term relationship and really want to have children, and you're not interested in having children, do you think we could have a successful relationship together? If I have some "special needs" in the bedroom without which I can't enjoy myself, I consider sex important, and you're just not willing to tie me up every once in a while or let me visit a professional dom, do you think we could have a successful relationship together? If I really enjoy bacon, and you think meat is murder, do you think we stand much of a chance of having a relationship? If I believed you needed to be subservient to me and to my God, and to wear a burqa whenever you were out in public, would you want to have a relationship with me? If those traits only came to light after, say, a year together, would you not want to run for the hills? Or at least feel horribly cheated?

There are any number of disagreements on any number of subjects that can scuttle a relationship. Why would religious beliefs be any different? Indeed, religious beliefs, being particularly deep-seated and often quite odious (see the above example with the burqa), should absolutely be taken into close consideration before anyone starts a relationship.

 

[de1929]

I have no idea what you are saying anymore.

have you seen the thread ?

 

[Heatios]

have you seen the thread ?

I have no idea what relevance it has or what point tithe trying to make.

 

[de1929]

I have no idea what relevance it has or what point tithe trying to make.

have you notice WWJD thread is not completely disappeared ?

 

[Heatios]

...I think you'll find a lot of Christians who could point you to direct biblical citation that your wife is a bad christian. :/

I think you'll find a lot of rational people that think you need to shut the hell up and let them live their own life, especially because they are clearly happy with their beliefs and differences and you are no one to say they shouldn't be.

 

[Heatios]

have you notice WWJD thread is not completely disappeared ?

Okay and?
Bro stop with the fairy tales and mystic woo woo ,not every random event is result if god, there is a very likely possibility that you could see the thread always and never knew how, or that the mod messed up when deleting it.

By no means should you be thinking you've made some sort of ground breaking revelation.

 

[de1929]

Okay and?
Bro stop with the fairy tales and mystic woo woo ,not every random event is result if god, there is a very likely possibility that you could see the thread always and never knew how, or that the mod messed up when deleting it.

By no means should you be thinking you've made some sort of ground breaking revelation.

when i said the strong survive, it does not means the reason will survive. it does not mean the fact-holder, scholarly-brainy-stuffs will survive. my faith has a lot of mystic woo woo...

put it this way, if we can manage mystic, who has the competitive advantage ? . It's time to less focus on reasons. It's time to focus on competitive advantages

2016 requires more competitive advantage than before. remind me of ISIS and shooting in school ? and many other things against humanity ?

 

[The Cadet]

I think you'll find a lot of rational people that think you need to shut the hell up and let them live their own life, especially because they are clearly happy with their beliefs and differences and you are no one to say they shouldn't be.

The OP asked for biblical citation. Clearly, he's a different kind of christian.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Well in my harry potter book section 5C states all non-harry potter believers are not allowed to talk to me, so sorry but because of the book I can't read your message.

TRUST ME IT'S NOT I WHO IS MAKING THE DECISION, IT'S THE BOOK I SWEAR.

i now wish i had read Harry Potter so that your humour wasn't wasted on me. Now if you had made a Screwtape joke...

However, i'll take it in the spirit it was intended...i think.

 

[The Cadet]

i now wish i had read Harry Potter so that your humour wasn't wasted on me.

I can definitely recommend Harry Potter, if only to get the cultural cues. It's really good.

 

[Calvinist Dark Lord]

Okay and?
Bro stop with the fairy tales and mystic woo woo ,not every random event is result if god, there is a very likely possibility that you could see the thread always and never knew how, or that the mod messed up when deleting it.

By no means should you be thinking you've made some sort of ground breaking revelation.

Actually, IF an omnipotent, omniscient God exists, THEN there are no random events. As Einstein is reputed to have said: "God does not throw dice."

Which nicely negates the effect of the rest of your post.

From your perspective, all events are random.

 

[Black Dog]

...I think you'll find a lot of Christians who could point you to direct biblical citation that your wife is a bad christian. :/

I think you're correct. And I know she laughs at those Christians.