Setting it Straight

[moicherie]

Look my friend, I am native American so don't come on to me like I have no sense of what you are talking about. Prejudice exists in all kinds of forms in our land. Skinny folks are prejudiced against fat folks, fat folks against skinny folks. Rich against the poor, white against blacks, blacks against whites you name it. Prejudice is about a mind set that tends to elevate one above another for any number of reasons. Since you are black you have a perceived perspective that it is a greater issue about being black in America. Well, let me give you a news flash friend. Today, the black american has just as many opportunities to succeed as any white person and possibly more. Today, if you want to go out and put in the effort you can do most anything you set your mind to do here.

So this "Jim Crow" nonsense doesn't fly with me. I own my own oil & gas company here in N.E. Oklahoma. Recently we hired a black man because he was a good worker, we knew it and he has proven us right. He will continue to be employed with us as long as he produces well and gets along with others. I am alive today because of black people. When I was in Viet Nam color didn't matter much at all. All people bleed red blood and die just like everyone else. I may be worth a million dollars but I put my pants on the same way as a billionare. God doesn't see the outside of a person He looks on the inside. Get over it and grow up.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

'Get over and grow up'! Lovely response I must this use phrase that more often when I am debating or perhaps the more mature approach of letting both sides state they views without rancor is better... MMMMm let me see

 

[moicherie]

It really bothers me when people start talking about how the impoverished have no chance or lot in life. Free schooling is available through 12th grade. And it is not like 25 yrs ago when your parents were forced to take out a 2nd mortgage to pay for your college. ANYONE can go to college, they are called student loans! There is absolutely no reason why any kid should not go to college if they so choose. It is up to them to study and make the grades in grammar school to be accepted. No one can use the "money" excuse anymore. You only have yourself to blame if you end up on welfare.

If one loses their job and ends up on welfare its their fault?

 

[mva1985]

I am curious:

No one complains when you go to a REAL Mexican restaurant and everyone working there is of Hispanic dissent.

No one complains when you to to a Chinese or Japanese or Asian restaurant or business and everyone employed there is of the same nationality.

What about a Korean owned store, and everyone working there is Korean, no one complains.

No one complains when you go to a black owned business and everyone working there is black.

I had a friend who wanted to get a small business loan - so where did he go - the SBA. There was a very nice black man there that told him he was more then welcome to fill out the paperwork, but in reality he would be denied - the man was just being honest so that he would not waste my friends time.

Such is the way of life.

 

[OntheDL]

I am curious:

No one complains when you go to a REAL Mexican restaurant and everyone working there is of Hispanic dissent.

No one complains when you to to a Chinese or Japanese or Asian restaurant or business and everyone employed there is of the same nationality.

What about a Korean owned store, and everyone working there is Korean, no one complains.

No one complains when you go to a black owned business and everyone working there is black.

Exactly, the cry of racism has become a way to get a free ride in life.

Maybe we should start complaining there are too many blacks in NBA.

 

[OntheDL]

If one loses their job and ends up on welfare its their fault?

Not if welfare becomes someone's livelihood.

I volunteer at YMCA. I see too many young healthy people just won't look for a job.

They have been conditioned by the same junk that the society owes them.

 

[OntheDL]

My premise that racism exists is flawed? Ok perhaps having my head in the sand will make it all go away.

I don't deny there is still racism. And there always will be prejudices. But there is more of the reversed racism openly in America.

Affirmative action is racist but the practise of not hiring black people etc because they were black was not? Is that what you are saying. Trying to level the playing field for non whites is racist? Wow!

I think you have problems seeing through your tinted glasses.

I'm all for leveling the playing field, but not for lowering the bar so a 'deprived' group can get in.

I'm a minority like you. Yet I can achieve the level of success (on the most part) I desire by going through the education system and hard work.

But you are telling me the same is not available to the blacks because of racism and the slavery some 150 years ago? Give me break!

The dark skinned Asian Indians and Chinese who didn't speak alot of English can come here and achieve high level of economic independence while the blacks who are born here can't cut the mustard?

Keep crying about the racial injusticie and watch people who came here with barely 2 dollars and spoke no english succeed in front of your eyes (I know many of them).

America is not a democracy. It's a republic where everyone's right is protected. Despite all her problems, America is still the best country in the world. You want privilege which you have been crying about? How do you like to live in North Korea, Iran, China...where you have no rights, but privileges?

 

[Jimlarmore]

I know this was brought up earlier but why do sda's have black conferences? We baptize blacks in our church and never tell them they have to go to the Tulsa New Life church that is predominantly black. I don't understand in today's environment why black conferences exist at all unless they ( the black conferences) want to keep it that way.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sentipente]

Jim, misinformation will never become truth. I have had the unfortunate honor of visiting a white church with a white student from Andrews and finding myself as the only black face in a sea of white faces yet having the SS teacher completely ignore me while welcoming the visitors to his class. The conditions that led to the need for regional conferences have not changed.

 

[sentipente]

DL you have no awareness of the country in which you live, and that's truly sad.

 

[mva1985]

I know this was brought up earlier but why do sda's have black conferences? We baptize blacks in our church and never tell them they have to go to the Tulsa New Life church that is predominantly black. I don't understand in today's environment why black conferences exist at all unless they ( the black conferences) want to keep it that way.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

It started before I was born so I can't really address it. I should read up on that history.

 

[sentipente]

When Christians speak this way it is no wonder the rest of society is the way it is. Why would they want your Jesus?

 

[mva1985]

The following is just a portion of what is available at:
http://h0bbes.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/the-beginning-of-regional-conferences-in-the-us-iii/
Check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions.


"In October 1928, W. H. Green—the Colored Secretary of the General Conference (GC)—died. His position was not filled immediately as many Black ministers felt that “the only way to improve the work among Negroes of the country is to organize colored conferences, whereby the colored people may handle their own money, employ their own workers and so develop administrative ability and all cultural lines of work…to organize Negro conferences that would function in exactly the same relation to the General Conference as white conferences.” (Quoted in Jacob Justiss Angels in Ebony p46.)
After discussion, the GC appointed a commission of eleven Whites and five Blacks to study the issue. J. K. Humphrey had been one of the Black ministers calling for Black Conferences and was one of those appointed to the commission. Humphrey later accused the White members of the committee of meeting separately and asking the Black members of the committee to rubber-stamp their decision that Black Conferences were not appropriate. Humphrey later left the SDA Church and formed the United Sabbath Day Adventist Church.

​

By 1944 however, the situation had changed—the Black membership of the church had grown considerably and Black members were better educated and more confident than in the past. This lead a group of Black SDA laity to form the National Association for the Advancement of World-wide Work Among Colored Seventh-day Adventists on October 16, 1943. The group was chaired by Joseph T. Dodson, other members included Eva B. Dykes—one of the first Black American woman to receive a PhD, while the Corresponding Secretary was Valarie Justiss—the second SDA Black woman to receive a PhD."

 

[sentipente]

Why would finding a replacement for the colored Secretary of the GC have anything to do with a desire for black conferences? How can a change in 1944 lead to a committee being established in 1943? There is something about that quotation.

 

[Jimlarmore]

Jim, misinformation will never become truth. I have had the unfortunate honor of visiting a white church with a white student from Andrews and finding myself as the only black face in a sea of white faces yet having the SS teacher completely ignore me while welcoming the visitors to his class. The conditions that led to the need for regional conferences have not changed.

I've visited Sabbath Schools where that happened to me as well. I guess it depends on how you take something like that. Personally, I have decided not to let something like that offend me anymore as it is a waste of my time to go thru the emotions of trying to justify other's actions. The truth is we can never always justify some folks behavior towards us. Life is not always fair and never will be but that is not reason to not succeed in life. There are always opportunities to all who will take advantage of it who don't let little side issues get in their way. One of my heros in life is Martin Luther King, another is Collin Powell. What Dr. King did was phenomenal for our country and it's people. Collin Powell came along and took advantage of what Dr. King helped to make a reality. Both had a lot of struggles but you know what everyone who is successful does. Hardly anyone really fails in life they usually just give up trying or convince themselves they can't do it. When that happens then guess what ? They can't!!!

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[sentipente]

I've visited Sabbath Schools where that happened to me as well. I guess it depends on how you take something like that. Personally, I have decided not to let something like that offend me anymore as it is a waste of my time to go thru the emotions of trying to justify other's actions.

That's not the point. Are you deliberately trying to avoid it?

 

[mva1985]

Why would finding a replacement for the colored Secretary of the GC have anything to do with a desire for black conferences? How can a change in 1944 lead to a committee being established in 1943? There is something about that quotation.

Maybe its a typo. I copied and pasted it - so it wasn't me.

The GC secretary died in 1928.

 

[StormyOne]

The following is just a portion of what is available at:
http://h0bbes.wordpress.com/2006/09/05/the-beginning-of-regional-conferences-in-the-us-iii/
Check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions.


"In October 1928, W. H. Green—the Colored Secretary of the General Conference (GC)—died. His position was not filled immediately as many Black ministers felt that “the only way to improve the work among Negroes of the country is to organize colored conferences, whereby the colored people may handle their own money, employ their own workers and so develop administrative ability and all cultural lines of work…to organize Negro conferences that would function in exactly the same relation to the General Conference as white conferences.” (Quoted in Jacob Justiss Angels in Ebony p46.)
After discussion, the GC appointed a commission of eleven Whites and five Blacks to study the issue. J. K. Humphrey had been one of the Black ministers calling for Black Conferences and was one of those appointed to the commission. Humphrey later accused the White members of the committee of meeting separately and asking the Black members of the committee to rubber-stamp their decision that Black Conferences were not appropriate. Humphrey later left the SDA Church and formed the United Sabbath Day Adventist Church.

​

By 1944 however, the situation had changed—the Black membership of the church had grown considerably and Black members were better educated and more confident than in the past. This lead a group of Black SDA laity to form the National Association for the Advancement of World-wide Work Among Colored Seventh-day Adventists on October 16, 1943. The group was chaired by Joseph T. Dodson, other members included Eva B. Dykes—one of the first Black American woman to receive a PhD, while the Corresponding Secretary was Valarie Justiss—the second SDA Black woman to receive a PhD."

those who don't know the past are destined to repeat it... especially the lies.....

I would say neither Black clergy nor laypersons actually pushed the start of Regional conferences. To be exact, the meeting at the Stevenson Hotel was called by the White leaders. Most of the Black ministers and workers in North America were asked to attend. For the most part, they didn’t even know why they were being invited or what this meeting was all about. So I cannot say that either laypersons or clergy were pushing the start of Regional conferences. They did not know that the Regional conferences were going to be organized when they went to that meeting in Chicago. Regional confer-ences were introduced by the General Conference, not the Black brethren at the time.

from an eyewitness who was there....

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:4RCo2IAhsWIJ:www.regionalvoice.com/Regional%2520Voice.pdf+regional+voice+magazine+60th+anniversary&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&client=firefox-a

this same information has been posted on this site more than once, yet the same lie is told i.e. blacks wanted to form their own conferences.... sigh... the spin and misinformation is pathetic... not to mention unbelievable.....

peace, I'm done...

 

[sentipente]

this same information has been posted on this site more than once, yet the same lie is told i.e. blacks wanted to form their own conferences.... sigh... the spin and misinformation is pathetic... not to mention unbelievable.....

peace, I'm done...

I was hoping you would step in. The battle never ends.

 

[JonMiller]

I don't deny there is still racism. And there always will be prejudices. But there is more of the reversed racism openly in America.



I think you have problems seeing through your tinted glasses.

I'm all for leveling the playing field, but not for lowering the bar so a 'deprived' group can get in.

I'm a minority like you. Yet I can achieve the level of success (on the most part) I desire by going through the education system and hard work.

But you are telling me the same is not available to the blacks because of racism and the slavery some 150 years ago? Give me break!

The dark skinned Asian Indians and Chinese who didn't speak alot of English can come here and achieve high level of economic independence while the blacks who are born here can't cut the mustard?

Keep crying about the racial injusticie and watch people who came here with barely 2 dollars and spoke no english succeed in front of your eyes (I know many of them).

America is not a democracy. It's a republic where everyone's right is protected. Despite all her problems, America is still the best country in the world. You want privilege which you have been crying about? How do you like to live in North Korea, Iran, China...where you have no rights, but privileges?

You completely ignore the cultural legacy of slavery. Which is the entire point. If the issue was just a lack of funds due to having poor fathers, a check would solve everything.

JM

 

[sentipente]

Maybe its a typo. I copied and pasted it - so it wasn't me.

The GC secretary died in 1928.

You also did not read it carefully because you were more interested in defending your position than in finding the truth.