Setting it Straight

[mva1985]

MVA, I do admire your transparency in this and many other ways!

Thank you for your kind words.

 

[mva1985]

Many in the black community? You took a poll? There are about 25 million people estimate who identify as black in the USA you saying many of those do what you mentioned? How many? Or are you making sweeping generalisations about an entire ethnic group based on skin colour (there is a word for that) and coming from a Christian..... oh la la)

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"In short, black Americans are no longer a race of victims as a whole in the meaningful sense - i.e., to an extent which extinguishes the potential of a human being. Instead, this is a race a fraction of whom are victims, and victims more as the result of historical then present-day racism - the people who remained behind for various reasons while most of the race moved upward. Surely that fraction is not as small as it must be in order for blacks to be equal with whites. However, a fraction it is, and a small enough fraction that it is no longer logical to conceive of these lives as representative of "the condition of the African-American race." Not only does such a conception not correspond to reality, but it is a grievous insult to the millions and millions of black people who have achieved comfortable and meaningful lives over the past four decades."

 

[moicherie]

Page 216
"In short, black Americans are no longer a race of victims as a whole in the meaningful sense - i.e., to an extent which extinguishes the potential of a human being. Instead, this is a race a fraction of whom are victims, and victims more as the result of historical then present-day racism - the people who remained behind for various reasons while most of the race moved upward. Surely that fraction is not as small as it must be in order for blacks to be equal with whites. However, a fraction it is, and a small enough fraction that it is no longer logical to conceive of these lives as representative of "the condition of the African-American race." Not only does such a conception not correspond to reality, but it is a grievous insult to the millions and millions of black people who have achieved comfortable and meaningful lives over the past four decades."

IOW Loveaboveall statement was about as truthful as the existence of the Klingon empire outside of science fiction.

 

[StormyOne]

Page 216
"In short, black Americans are no longer a race of victims as a whole in the meaningful sense - i.e., to an extent which extinguishes the potential of a human being. Instead, this is a race a fraction of whom are victims, and victims more as the result of historical then present-day racism - the people who remained behind for various reasons while most of the race moved upward. Surely that fraction is not as small as it must be in order for blacks to be equal with whites. However, a fraction it is, and a small enough fraction that it is no longer logical to conceive of these lives as representative of "the condition of the African-American race." Not only does such a conception not correspond to reality, but it is a grievous insult to the millions and millions of black people who have achieved comfortable and meaningful lives over the past four decades."

typical that a white male would find a black author who shares his view and post it to make his point...... clueless.... and I say that in a loving way...... totally and completely clueless.....

 

[mva1985]

typical that a white male would find a black author who shares his view and post it to make his point...... clueless.... and I say that in a loving way...... totally and completely clueless.....

Stormy,

LOL!!! That is funny. I have the other book also, "Why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria?" I just don't agree with her.

 

[mva1985]

typical that a white male would find a black author who shares his view and post it to make his point...... clueless.... and I say that in a loving way...... totally and completely clueless.....

Stormy,

I keep looking at your post and it makes me laugh.... Thanks for that.

Give me some credit I had to type that quote in - I didn't just copy and paste it from some website!

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy,

I keep looking at your post and it makes me laugh.... Thanks for that.

Give me some credit I had to type that quote in - I didn't just copy and paste it from some website!

glad to bring some humor in your day....

 

[JonMiller]

typical that a white male would find a black author who shares his view and post it to make his point...... clueless.... and I say that in a loving way...... totally and completely clueless.....

To be honest, I think it depends a bit about where people are. There are different levels of racism in different parts of the US (and it isn't necessarily a north/south thing).

JM

 

[sentipente]

To be honest, I think it depends a bit about where people are. There are different levels of racism in different parts of the US (and it isn't necessarily a north/south thing).

JM

It is interesting that the following newstory appeared in the local school paper here:
Racism is still alive in towns across America, said author James Loewen.

Loewen spoke Tuesday in Pruis Hall about his most recent book "Sundown Towns" and about America's history of racism and prejudice.

Loewen spoke about a high point of racism in America from 1890 to 1940 and explained historical examples of the efforts of groups of white people to drive black people out of communities

link to http://media.www.bsudailynews.com/m...sm.Still.In.Indiana.Writer.Says-3099810.shtml

 

[mva1985]

It is interesting that the following newstory appeared in the local school paper here:
Racism is still alive in towns across America, said author James Loewen.

Loewen spoke Tuesday in Pruis Hall about his most recent book "Sundown Towns" and about America's history of racism and prejudice.

Loewen spoke about a high point of racism in America from 1890 to 1940 and explained historical examples of the efforts of groups of white people to drive black people out of communities

link to http://media.www.bsudailynews.com/m...sm.Still.In.Indiana.Writer.Says-3099810.shtml

I definitely found the comments to the article much more enlightening then the article itself.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Many in the black community? You took a poll? There are about 38 million people estimate who identify as black in the USA you saying many of those do what you mentioned? How many? Or are you making sweeping generalisations about an entire ethnic group based on skin colour (there is a word for that) and coming from a Christian..... oh la la)

Would it make you feel better if I changed the word to "some"? Please do not miss the point by striking out at the words! The point is that what many in the black community would call their leaders, are really just extortionists who are using the masses for their own selfish gain( just ask NASCAR). I should have used the word "some". Please forgive me. I just wish there were more Bill Cosby's and less wannabe MLK jr's. out there.

 

[Loveaboveall]

Think about it for a second people... There will come a time when the world will be racist against us for our belief in the one true God. They will kill us! Racism is not going away! Why don't we try instead to love those who are racist against us instead of getting heated under the collar?!

 

[Sophia7]

Think about it for a second people... There will come a time when the world will be racist against us for our belief in the one true God. They will kill us! Racism is not going away! Why don't we try instead to love those who are racist against us instead of getting heated under the collar?!

That would be religious persecution, not racism.

 

[StormyOne]

Would it make you feel better if I changed the word to "some"? Please do not miss the point by striking out at the words! The point is that what many in the black community would call their leaders, are really just extortionists who are using the masses for their own selfish gain( just ask NASCAR). I should have used the word "some". Please forgive me. I just wish there were more Bill Cosby's and less wannabe MLK jr's. out there.

ummmm just because they say they are leaders doesn't make them so... why pray tell do black folk need leaders? Do we look for one or two people in the white community and crown them "the leader" or one of "the leaders" of the white community? No we do not... the black community is not monolithic... we do not all think the same thing, or vote the same way....

We don't need another MLK or more Bill Cosby's, we need people to use their brains and stop waiting to be "led" somewhere.... likewise it would be nice if the media or whomever would stop telling the black community who it's leaders are..... or are not.....

 

[moicherie]

Would it make you feel better if I changed the word to "some"? Please do not miss the point by striking out at the words! The point is that what many in the black community would call their leaders, are really just extortionists who are using the masses for their own selfish gain( just ask NASCAR). I should have used the word "some". Please forgive me. I just wish there were more Bill Cosby's and less wannabe MLK jr's. out there.

Thanks for the correction. Words are very important. Imagine the fallout if you had used the word 'all', I would have called you out on it the same way. Racial stereotypes relies in words like 'many' and 'all' and that is the road you were on with your response. As a Christian Adventist please be more aware of the impact of your words on your brothers and sisters (if you see us that way) of a darker hue I'm sure you are not ignorant of race relations in the West.

 

[moicherie]

That would be religious persecution, not racism.

I would have thought by now in 2007 people would know the difference....oh well lol

 

[moicherie]

ummmm just because they say they are leaders doesn't make them so... why pray tell do black folk need leaders? Do we look for one or two people in the white community and crown them "the leader" or one of "the leaders" of the white community? No we do not... the black community is not monolithic... we do not all think the same thing, or vote the same way....

We don't need another MLK or more Bill Cosby's, we need people to use their brains and stop waiting to be "led" somewhere.... likewise it would be nice if the media or whomever would stop telling the black community who it's leaders are..... or are not.....

Amen!

 

[sentipente]

likewise it would be nice if the media or whomever would stop telling the black community who it's leaders are..... or are not.....

It is to their advantage to create leaders for us. That way they can control us by getting control of those "leaders." There is always a method to the madness.

 

[StormyOne]

It is to their advantage to create leaders for us. That way they can control us by getting control of those "leaders." There is always a method to the madness.

true..... let me add to my statement then... just because they say they are our leaders doesn't mean they are.....

 

[Loveaboveall]

That would be religious persecution, not racism.

Persecution is persecution whether you call it religious, cultural, ethnic, or color. Please explain how you see a difference...