Seemingly Anti-OSAS Scriptures

[BNR32FAN]

John 10:28.

Your offending His truth. Not me.

Loss of salvation is foolish talk. And will not be rewarded. That is bible doctrine and the truth. Not me.

Loss of salvation believers don't offend me. It offends and blasphemes His Word and chacter and nature.

The TRUTH is rude to your theology and belief system............not me.

John 10:27 Verse 28 only applies if verse 27 requirements are met.

 

[Gr8Grace]

John 10:27 Verse 28 only applies if verse 27 requirements are met.

I am one His Sheep.......so I will never perish.


Your not one of His sheep? You can still perish?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I am one His Sheep.......so I will never perish.


Your not one of His sheep? You can still perish?

His sheep hear his voice and follow. If a person doesn’t keep following they will not receive eternal life. Hence remain in me and I will remain in you John 15:1-8. Following is not a one time action it is a way of life my friend.

 

[Gr8Grace]

His sheep hear his voice and follow. If a person doesn’t keep following they will not receive eternal life. Hence remain in me and I will remain in you John 15:1-8. Following is not a one time action it is a way of life my friend.

SO your not one of His sheep and can still perish?

I am one of His sheep........John 10:28 tells me I have eternal life and will never, no not ever perish.

So you seriously don't consider yourself one of His sheep at this time?

 

[BNR32FAN]

SO your not one of His sheep and can still perish?

I am one of His sheep........John 10:28 tells me I have eternal life and will never, no not ever perish.

So you seriously don't consider yourself one of His sheep at this time?

Yes I do consider myself one of His sheep because I do follow Him. Of course I do fail sometimes but I never give up trying.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Yes I do consider myself one of His sheep because I do follow Him.

So, Please STOP trying to convince His sheep that they can or might perish. John 10:28 emphatically tells you( His sheep) that you will NEVER,NO NOT EVER PERISH.

If you consider yourself His sheep at this time ,you MUST cease and desist telling His sheep that they may perish(loss salvation)...........Because John 10:28 is TRUTH for His sheep.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, Please STOP trying to convince His sheep that they can or might perish. John 10:28 emphatically tells you( His sheep) that you will NEVER,NO NOT EVER PERISH.

If you consider yourself His sheep at this time ,you MUST cease and desist telling His sheep that they may perish(loss salvation)...........Because John 10:28 is TRUTH for His sheep.

So you don’t have to keep following to receive eternal life then? You can follow then turn away and still be His sheep?

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, Please STOP trying to convince His sheep that they can or might perish. John 10:28 emphatically tells you( His sheep) that you will NEVER,NO NOT EVER PERISH.

If you consider yourself His sheep at this time ,you MUST cease and desist telling His sheep that they may perish(loss salvation)...........Because John 10:28 is TRUTH for His sheep.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why didn’t you answer the questions in post #367? I think it’s because you know the answer but you don’t like it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So, Please STOP trying to convince His sheep that they can or might perish. John 10:28 emphatically tells you( His sheep) that you will NEVER,NO NOT EVER PERISH.

If you consider yourself His sheep at this time ,you MUST cease and desist telling His sheep that they may perish(loss salvation)...........Because John 10:28 is TRUTH for His sheep.

Why didn’t you answer the questions in post #367? I think it’s because you know the answer but you don’t like it.

 

[FreeGrace2]

My point is that if a believer begins committing these sins listed in these verses they will not be saved regardless of whether they believe or not.

Even though Jesus said whoever believes POSSESSES eternal life and that those He gives eternal life (believers) shall never, no, not ever, perish???

Why do you insist on opposing what Jesus so plainly taught?

And where in the Bible is the teaching that "certain sins" will keep any believer out of heaven?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Yes I do consider myself one of His sheep because I do follow Him. Of course I do fail sometimes but I never give up trying.

Do you not understand that any time you "do fail" you're NOT following Him???

To fail is to be moving in the opposite direction of what He commands.

 

[FreeGrace2]

So you don’t have to keep following to receive eternal life then? You can follow then turn away and still be His sheep?

Do you know of a verse that speaks of any sheep becoming something else? Can a sheep become a goat?

Can a sheep become a non-sheep?

Can a child become a non-child? Or an un-child?

Do you begin to see the ridiculousness of your line of thought here?

 

[Gr8Grace]

Why didn’t you answer the questions in post #367? I think it’s because you know the answer but you don’t like it.

It should be OBVIOUS what my answer is.
No, we don't have to keep following to remain His sheep.

You claim that you still fail.................thats not following. Did you become a goat again when you failed?

And John 10:28 does NOT say, " only those sheep who perfectly follow me, I give eternal life and will never perish."

Eph 2:8. 'Have been saved' is a periphrastic PERFECT.

You have been saved in the past and those results remain today and FOREVER.....Emphatically stated. No loopholes.

 

[OSAS 101]

Can you please explain John 15:1-8?

““I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch of mine that doesn’t produce fruit, and he prunes the branches that do bear fruit so they will produce even more. You have already been pruned and purified by the message I have given you. Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me. “Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them, will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing. Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers. Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned. But if you remain in me and my words remain in you, you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted! When you produce much fruit, you are my true disciples. This brings great glory to my Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭15:1-8‬

Abiding in God is essential to life.

 

[OSAS 101]

I don't believe that.

If a person has ever had a clear moment in their life, and fully trusted in Christ and His person, they are saved. Acts 16:31.

Religion/satan is right at our door to say," You reeeeaaaaallllllyyyyy were not saved or you might lose it, and this is what you reeeeaaaalllllyyyyyy need to do!" And millions of true believers get sucked into the works that are worthless(religion.)

That is why this debate is not about sin. It is about believers who think their works,fruits,service and lifestyle is about getting saved,remaining saved or maintaining salvation.

When is the last time anyone has seen a grace believer, on ANY forum, touting "sin all you want?"

But there are countless, countless and countless people who push works for salvation........that is what satan pushes.

I disagree with you.
I never said they were saved in the first place.
If I did, my answer would have been different.

 

[JLB777]

Garbage. And I don't even need to watch it.

Paul told us that he saw things that he could not utter.

So it doesn't seem likely that little ole me and you are going to get some heavy revelation to tell the world...................His Word tells us ALL we need to know.

Yes His word tells us all we need to know.

If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:9-11


If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,


He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone


Your false doctrine just got exposed.



JLB

 

[Gr8Grace]

Yes His word tells us all we need to know.

If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:9-11


If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,


He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone


Your false doctrine just got exposed.



JLB

Your inconsistencies and the fact that you pit scripture against scripture is constantly being exposed.

John 10:28~~His sheep NEVER perish. You don't accept that clear Fact.

Yet, on the other hand you will accept the clear fact that if anyone worships the beast and receives his mark........He SHALL be tormented with fire and brimstone.

Since His sheep can never perish, a believer will not and cannot take the mark. Because all that do take the mark WILL perish.

It's ironic that your dogmatic that all who take the mark WILL perish. But you don't give one hoot about the dogmatic truth that believers will NEVER,NO NOT EVER perish.

 

[JLB777]

Your inconsistencies and the fact that you pit scripture against scripture is constantly being exposed.

John 10:28~~His sheep NEVER perish. You don't accept that clear Fact.

Yet, on the other hand you will accept the clear fact that if anyone worships the beast and receives his mark........He SHALL be tormented with fire and brimstone.

Since His sheep can never perish, a believer will not and cannot take the mark. Because all that do take the mark WILL perish.

It's ironic that your dogmatic that all who take the mark WILL perish. But you don't give one hoot about the dogmatic truth that believers will NEVER,NO NOT EVER perish.

There are no scripture nconsistencies in any of the doctrines I present because I direct people to Jesus and His words.


You and FG just state your opinion and tag your opinion with a scripture reference rather than the actual words of scripture, then you only refer to half of what Jesus said and leave out the context.


Example.

“Jesus gives eternal life to His sheep and they will never perish. John 10:28”


I have watch you two deceivers do this for years, and even when called out you still continue to hide your false doctrine
In this deceptive ploy.


This is the mark of a false teacher.

 

[JLB777]