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Yes, they're in heaven, Jesus is on Earth, the heavens open up, and the saints follow to meet with Him on Earth.
Based on what?
It's been popular imagery for a long time to depict Jesus riding down from heaven on a white horse, usually with wings.
I don't know anyone who thinks cloud means white horse. btw, it is not clouds in Acts 1, but cloud.
People who interpret Revelation 19 as the second coming kind of forget the "coming on the clouds" thing, and just go with the white horse.
as for the cloud/clouds thing, it's cloud in that one instance, but clouds in every other reference. It is not often that people identify a single cloud, usually they're considered multiple. Either way, coming on a cloud/clouds, not a white flying horse.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
It is talking about at the time of the end in general. The rapture/resurrection event. And then after the millenium, the Great White Throne Judgement.
No, it means at the time of the end, in general, because some to shame and everlasting contempt happens at the Great White Throne Judgment.
The resurrection in Revelation 20:4-6 is expressly for the martyred Great Tribulation saints.
Differently, the rapture/resurrection event of 1Thessalonians4:15-18 and 1Thessalonians5:9-11 takes place before the beginning of the Day of Lord like a thief in the night. Same message as Jesus said in Matthew 24:42-51. And Luke 21:34-36.
The resurrection in Revelation is called the first.
Unless you mean "church age saints" are not resurrected until the end of the 1000 years... it'd include all the dead in Christ.
and frankly, "tribulation saints" is an unbiblical fabrication, pretribbers made up in order to try and handwave away the very clear scripture that shows the saints being made war against.
It's a way to deflect suffering away from their privileged, pampered, 1st world, western special snowflake selves, and onto "those other people", on top of not knowing what Tribulation even means.
There is 0 clear scripture that says a bunch of people will come to faith after the rapture. In fact, Jesus teaches something profoundly different in the parable of the 10 virgins. The virgins who come late are not told 'come back later" they're outright dismissed.
Amos 8 has a famine for hearing the words of the Lord after the sun goes dark in the clear day (6th seal reference). That is, everyone who would preach the Word of God is gone.
Amos 8
6th seal reference, the darkening of the sun in the clear day9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
Compare with Zechariah 12, and Matthew 24:29-3010 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day.
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:
12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.
13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
It's like salvation itself is cut off aside from Israel.
Israel's blindness doesn't get removed in Romans 11 until the fullness of the gentiles come in.
Is that meaning that there is no more salvation for gentiles? I'd say possibly.
Not taught returns to Armageddon (a plain north of Jerusalem, below the mount of Meggido), but to the Mt. of Olives from where Jesus left this world and will be returning to and stand upon splitting it in half. Armageddon as a general term has been made into a catch phrase meaning the final conclusive battle of all times.
All of Israel will be packed with the armies of the world, including the Kidron valley, the valley of Jehoshaphat - where God judges.
Joel 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Okay well, somewhere you're going to have to squeeze in Edom, to have Jesus coming back from it alone.
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