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[BobRyan]

The Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller, who in 1833 first shared publicly his belief that the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur in roughly the year 1843–1844. (wikipedia)

William Miller prophecised that Jesus would return in 1844. That did not occur and Miller admitted he was wrong.

And Ellen White was a mere teen at that time - not prophet -- in fact not even Ellen White (Ellen Harmon was her maiden name).

There was no point in the life of "Ellen White" (married to James White) who spoke of that Millerite movement - where she did not say that Miller's prediction of the 2nd coming was in fact a mistake and a misunderstanding of both Daniel 7 and Daniel 8 referring to the work of Christ in heaven and the judgment in heaven.

The prophecy of Daniel 7 and 8 --- is still in our Bibles. We hold on to it. What's in your Bible?

 

[BobRyan]

What about the first thousand years?

No eastern church leaders in the first century -
No RCC in the first or second century.

 

[klutedavid]

No eastern church leaders in the first century -
No RCC in the first or second century.

What about the third and fourth centuries?

 

[BobRyan]

What about the third and fourth centuries?

they don't divide until 1050 A.D.

 

[mmksparbud]

Hi Bob, I think stephen has been banned so you may not get any responses to your posts now if you find it suddenly becomes silent.

God bless

What???!!!! What on earth for???

 

[mmksparbud]

What you said is not true. The early church was divided into five regions from memory. The eastern church never came under the rule of the church in Rome.

SDAs were former Millerites from memory.

The Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller, who in 1833 first shared publicly his belief that the Second Advent of Jesus Christ would occur in roughly the year 1843–1844. (wikipedia)

William Miller prophecised that Jesus would return in 1844. That did not occur and Miller admitted he was wrong. Though Ellen White held on to that prophecy and rewrote it.

So both William and Ellen were not Catholics.

I never said they were!!! Why does everyone on here like to rewrite our words? What I said is every denomination came out of Catholicism. Even the Orthodox splintered off from them.

 

[bekkilyn]

Less creative writing - more scripture please.

Less old covenant bible idolatry, more Christ, please.

 

[bekkilyn]

What???!!!! What on earth for???

Maybe it was for something on some other thread. If it was for this one...well, then everyone here should probably be banned too.

 

[mmksparbud]

Less old covenant bible idolatry, more Christ, please.

But the scriptures are Jesus! We can not have one without the other.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I prefer less "self idolatry" and more of the scriptures. In spirit and in truth. What is truth---Jesus, where is that truth----His word.

 

[1stcenturylady]

1. They are "proof" that this basic Bible detail is not something "only known to SDAs". Irrefutable.

And I'm saying, I couldn't care less. So what there are others who make the same mistake as you do? It doesn't make it any less wrong. But there are other reasons why I don't respect them, and it has nothing to do with the Sabbath, but their lack of credit they give to the blood of Jesus taking away our sin. So if you want to claim being in their camp, that's up to you, I can't stop you.

 

[bekkilyn]

But the scriptures are Jesus! We can not have one without the other.

Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I prefer less "self idolatry" and more of the scriptures. In spirit and in truth. What is truth---Jesus, where is that truth----His word.

Jesus existed long before the scriptures. If all the scriptures were to vanish tomorrow, would Jesus somehow cease to exist? I'm not claiming that the scriptures are not important and that they aren't useful for instruction, etc. but they are not at all the same as Jesus and cannot in any way replace Jesus. This may actually be where my primary disagreement with SDA comes from because I don't at all believe that "the bible" is God himself.

 

[klutedavid]

I never said they were!!! Why does everyone on here like to rewrite our words? What I said is every denomination came out of Catholicism. Even the Orthodox splintered off from them.

No, they did not.

 

[klutedavid]

they don't divide until 1050 A.D.

Was there a Catholic church in the third and fourth centuries?

 

[mmksparbud]

And I'm saying, I couldn't care less. So what there are others who make the same mistake as you do? It doesn't make it any less wrong. But there are other reasons why I don't respect them, and it has nothing to do with the Sabbath, but their lack of credit they give to the blood of Jesus taking away our sin. So if you want to claim being in their camp, that's up to you, I can't stop you.

Excuse me? Who says the blood of Jesus doesn't take away sin??? We don't, I don't know of any church that says that!

 

[BobRyan]

Was there a Catholic church in the third and fourth centuries?

Yes - Constantine made sure of it.

 

[BobRyan]

Less old covenant bible idolatry, more Christ, please.

Less making stuff up - more facts for the thread please.

 

[BobRyan]

Every seventh day Adventist would believe the Ten Commandments are written in the mind and placed on the heart of believers

And so also do these non-SDA groups claim that the TEN Commandments are written on the heart under the New Covenant

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

And so also these non-SDA groups

Do you know how many of them believe you can go on sinning in ignorance of law written in your mind and placed on your heart?

Do you know how many of them think all Catholics go to hell if they don't believe just like they do??

No answer to the question I see

Indeed you are apparently not going to answer.

I hope you know that not everyone respects those in that group you keep posting as "proof."

1. They are "proof" that this basic Bible detail is not something "only known to SDAs". Irrefutable.
2. I am happy to have those who wish to differ with me do so -- I merely stop them as they go to the "extreme" point of claiming that "only BobRyan knows that" or "only SDAs know that" when it comes to this basic Bible detail.
3. The detail you "missed" in the post you are quoting is that it is in answer to the notion that such non-SDA groups would always condemn anyone that may not know about one of the commandments or might not be aware that their current practice is in violation of the Ten.

And I'm saying, I couldn't care less.

We can see that same response to "inconvenient details" each time they are posted.

Nothing new there.

The irrefutable points remain..

1. They are "proof" that this basic Bible detail is not something "only known to SDAs". Irrefutable.
2. I am happy to have those who wish to differ with me do so -- I merely stop them as they go to the "extreme" point of claiming that "only BobRyan knows that" or "only SDAs know that" when it comes to this basic Bible detail.
3. The detail you "missed" in the post you are quoting is that it is in answer to the notion that such non-SDA groups would always condemn anyone that may not know about one of the commandments or might not be aware that their current practice is in violation of the Ten.

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus existed long before the scriptures.

And God the Holy Spirit is the author of scripture -- 2 Tim 3:16 , 2 Peter 1:20-21. No amount of attempting to pit God's Word against God - will ever survive the light of day.

If all the scriptures were to vanish tomorrow, would Jesus somehow cease to exist? I'm not claiming that the scriptures are not important and that they aren't useful for instruction, etc. but they are not at all the same as Jesus and cannot in any way replace Jesus.

Is there a "you must replace Jesus with scripture if you are going to follow the WORD and choose not to take God's name in vain" argument here by those who choose obedience instead of rebellion?? -- or are you the one making that case??

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

 

[bekkilyn]

And God the Holy Spirit is the author of scripture -- 2 Tim 3:16 , 2 Peter 1:20-21. No amount of attempting to pit God's Word against God - will ever survive the light of day."

So your claim is that God is *limited* by scripture then? Is everything you are and in your being limited by what you write? I personally can guarantee that there is much more to my life than what I have written down for someone. Why would my writing not limit me, but God's writing should severely limit him?

Why do we humans always seem to feel the need to put God into a tiny box?

Is there a "you must replace Jesus with scripture if you are going to follow the WORD and choose not to take God's name in vain" argument here by those who choose obedience instead of rebellion?? -- or are you the one making that case??

My claim is that Jesus (the whole Trinity) is not limited by scripture because the written word is not God any more than what I write in my posts here is not me. It is merely something I wrote for a particular purpose. It might have something of my personality in it, but it's not going to go out and meet with someone and have a real conversation with them. God, however, can do just that and have real conversations with us.

If you've put your trust in the law, something he *created* for a particular purpose, instead of in Jesus Christ and his Holy Spirit, then your trust is in something *other* than Jesus. Simple as that.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Excuse me? Who says the blood of Jesus doesn't take away sin??? We don't, I don't know of any church that says that!

Yes, I know you don't, and I respect that. I just get tired of Bob posting those that do as if he is looking up to them. Calvinism is the most dangerous doctrine on the planet, and he even has them on the list.