SDA

[Dkh587]

Ellen White was a false prophet that taught a false way

 

[mmksparbud]

Really? SDA members believe if you do not obey the ten commandments you may still enter heaven?

There are two different types of Christianity. Under the new covenant the law is written in your mind and placed on your heart(as you agree)
Sin is the transgression of the law(as you agree)
Through the law we become conscious of sin(as you agree)
What is in your mind you in your mind must know, the law in your heart must make you conscious you sin if you wilfully transgress it. Which only leaves two possibilities. Either the fourth commandment as written is not written in the mind or placed in the heart of believers, or, no one can be in a saved state if they have no heartfelt conviction of sin by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath.

I never said that!!---I'd like to know what denomination teaches that anyone can break the 10 commandments and still go to heaven!! There are 3 types of Christians---those who think you can break any of the 10 commandments and still go to heaven---and those who believe you must keep all the commandments perfectly or you won't enter---and those who believe (as we do) that we are saved by grace and it is through the blood of Jesus that we stand sinless before God and through that love for Him, we will keep all His commandments because His love makes it possible. Keeping the 4th is simply one of the 10---I am still waiting for the verse that states that the 4th commandment was changed. As we will still be keeping it in the New Jerusalem---what is the problem with keeping it on earth???
We willfully grieve away the Holy Spirit so as to do what we want. We dance around all the commandments and see how far we can go--but the one that most people will simply ignore is the 4th. If it is not a problem to keep the 1st day of the week, then why not keep the 7th?---Quite simply because it is inconvenient and you have to alter your lifestyle and few people will want to do that out of love and respect for the Lord. It is not a problem to feel no guilt when you are doing what you want and doing otherwise would cause difficulties. Why are you going on Sunday? Where does it say you can choose what day you want? Where does it say any man has the right to alter the word of God for their convenience? How is it that you think you can look God in the face while willfully ignoring what He says?

 

[mmksparbud]

Ellen White was a false prophet that taught a false way

Doesn't matter if she were---every single one of our doctrines are biblically based. You can throw her out the window and not one single doctrine would in any way change. We did not get our doctrines from her, but from the bible.

 

[stephen pollard]

I never said that!!---I'd like to know what denomination teaches that anyone can break the 10 commandments and still go to heaven!! There are 3 types of Christians---those who think you can break any of the 10 commandments and still go to heaven---and those who believe you must keep all the commandments perfectly or you won't enter---and those who believe (as we do) that we are saved by grace and it is through the blood of Jesus that we stand sinless before God and through that love for Him, we will keep all His commandments because His love makes it possible. Keeping the 4th is simply one of the 10---I am still waiting for the verse that states that the 4th commandment was changed. As we will still be keeping it in the New Jerusalem---what is the problem with keeping it on earth???
We willfully grieve away the Holy Spirit so as to do what we want. We dance around all the commandments and see how far we can go--but the one that most people will simply ignore is the 4th. If it is not a problem to keep the 1st day of the week, then why not keep the 7th?---Quite simply because it is inconvenient and you have to alter your lifestyle and few people will want to do that out of love and respect for the Lord. It is not a problem to feel no guilt when you are doing what you want and doing otherwise would cause difficulties. Why are you going on Sunday? Where does it say you can choose what day you want? Where does it say any man has the right to alter the word of God for their convenience? How is it that you think you can look God in the face while willfully ignoring what He says?

If you focus on ''The Ten Commandments'' and stress that law must be obeyed, in the real world, people will then, in reality believe they can only remain in a justified state if they obey the Ten Commandments. That is real life. I can assure you, every seventh day Adventist I have met believes their justification/being in a saved state hinges on obeying the Ten Commandments. I would add, that anyone who believes they fully obey that law, does not have the understanding of what that entails as did Paul. For he said, the letter of that law kills.
Concerning a set saturday sabbath, I will repeat:
Under the new covenant the law is written in your mind and placed on your heart(as you agree)
Sin is the transgression of the law(as you agree)
Through the law we become conscious of sin(as you agree)
What is in your mind you in your mind must know, the law in your heart must make you conscious you sin if you wilfully transgress it. Which only leaves two possibilities. Either the fourth commandment as written is not written in the mind or placed in the heart of believers, or, no one can be in a saved state if they have no heartfelt conviction of sin by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath.

 

[mmksparbud]

If you focus on ''The Ten Commandments'' and stress that law must be obeyed, in the real world, people will then, in reality believe they can only remain in a justified state if they obey the Ten Commandments. That is real life. I can assure you, every seventh day Adventist I have met believes their justification/being in a saved state hinges on obeying the Ten Commandments. I would add, that anyone who believes they fully obey that law, does not have the understanding of what that entails as did Paul. For he said, the letter of that law kills.
Concerning a set saturday sabbath, I will repeat:
Under the new covenant the law is written in your mind and placed on your heart(as you agree)
Sin is the transgression of the law(as you agree)
Through the law we become conscious of sin(as you agree)
What is in your mind you in your mind must know, the law in your heart must make you conscious you sin if you wilfully transgress it. Which only leaves two possibilities. Either the fourth commandment as written is not written in the mind or placed in the heart of believers, or, no one can be in a saved state if they have no heartfelt conviction of sin by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath.

Merely repeating yourself doesn't answer anything--
You have not answered any of my questions. As I said---you can drown out the Holy Spirit very easily. Inconvenience usually wins out over obedience.
You must then have to throw away a lot of the bible.

Luk_16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

 

[dms1972]

I understand Walter Martin "contended SDA were not cultists but an evangelical sect with a peculiar emphasis" (quoted from Donald Bloesch : The Holy Spirit)

 

[GingerBeer]

Hi Family,

What is SDA?

What is their doctrine?

Is it different than non-denom beliefs?

~Natsumi Lam~

SDA (Seventh Day Adventists) teach that Seventh Day observance is important and they teach a lot about Christ's second Advent. Their name implies both of these things.

 

[stephen pollard]

Merely repeating yourself doesn't answer anything--
You have not answered any of my questions. As I said---you can drown out the Holy Spirit very easily. Inconvenience usually wins out over obedience.
You must then have to throw away a lot of the bible.

Luk_16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city

And where have you responded to my points?
So, concerning Luke16:17, do you try and follow the entire OT law?
Rom3:31, is a great verse, doesn't say you must obey a set Saturday sabbath does it.
None of your verses relating to commandments state ''The Ten Commandments'' and there is not one verse of scripture in the entire NT that states you must observe a set saturday sabbath.
The law now is within the believer, it is written in their mind and placed on their heart. Simply put, you in your mind know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way. You do not have to reference ''The Ten Commandments'' written down in ink, for the law is within you. I was convicted of much sin when I got saved, for the law was placed within me, but I was never convicted of failing to obey a set Saturday sabbath, neither were you instinctively, you only came to that conclusion by reading what was written in the OT

 

[stephen pollard]

The Ten Commandments are an inflexible law. There is no pass mark of obedience to them that can enable you to enter heaven. Perfectly obey them or stand guilty before them. There is nothing in those commands that speak of mercy or forgivenesss

 

[mmksparbud]

And where have you responded to my points?
So, concerning Luke16:17, do you try and follow the entire OT law?
Rom3:31, is a great verse, doesn't say you must obey a set Saturday sabbath does it.
None of your verses relating to commandments mention ''The Ten Commandments'' and there is not one verse of scripture in the entire NT that states you must observe a set saturday sabbath.
The law now is within the believer, it is written in their mind and placed on their heart. Simply put, you in your mind know how God wants you to live and in your heart you want to live that way. You do not have to reference ''The Ten Commandments'' written down in ink, for the law is within you. I was convicted of much sin when I got saved, for the law was placed within me, but I was never convicted of failing to obey a set Saturday sabbath, neither were you instinctively, you only came to that conclusion by reading what was written in the OT

The Levitical laws were done away with at the cross as the whole of Hebrews states.
The 10 commandments are what is meant when the word "commandment" is said--which is obvious from any of the scriptures. The 10 commandments were the only laws that were written by the hand of God Himself on stone. They were the only ones kept in the Ark--the Ark represented the very throne of God. The Levitical laws---the law of Moses- was dictated by God and written by Moses, they were kept outside the Ark.
Any time the word commandments and law is said in the NT it means the 10---even as a child I could see that. Jesus and the disciples all only had the OT--and every single first Christian became Christian ony through the OT readings for the NT hadn't been written yet.

and no---I learned to read quite well from a very early age---There is no doubt that the 4th commandment is the 7th day and that Jesus also kept it and so did the apostles and it will be kept in the New Jerusalem. And again---nowhere is there anything in the NT that states any of God's 10 commandments were done away with. This conversation would come to an abrupt end if you named it.

 

[stephen pollard]

The Levitical laws were done away with at the cross as the whole of Hebrews states.
The 10 commandments are what is meant when the word "commandment" is said--which is obvious from any of the scriptures. The 10 commandments were the only laws that were written by the hand of God Himself on stone. They were the only ones kept in the Ark--the Ark represented the very throne of God. The Levitical laws---the law of Moses- was dictated by God and written by Moses, they were kept outside the Ark.
Any time the word commandments and law is said in the NT it means the 10---even as a child I could see that. Jesus and the disciples all only had the OT--and every single first Christian became Christian ony through the OT readings for the NT hadn't been written yet.

and no---I learned to read quite well from a very early age---There is no doubt that the 4th commandment is the 7th day and that Jesus also kept it and so did the apostles and it will be kept in the New Jerusalem. And again---nowhere is there anything in the NT that states any of God's 10 commandments were done away with. This conversation would come to an abrupt end if you named it.

So when you quote Luke16:17 you are clearly not relating that to the entire law.

Why do you not address Paul's words? The letter of the Ten Commandments kills.
Why do you not address the point, that according to the core terms of the new covenant, if you are correct, no one could be a Christian unless they were conscious they sinned by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath?
The law is within you, you know what that law is for it is written in your mind and placed on your heart. You are only convicted of which law to follow by firstly reading it in ink:

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

How did you come to the conclusion you must observe a set Saturday sabbath? Only by reading what was written in ink in the Old Testament
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

If you follow after the written code of the law you cannot follow after the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other under the new covenant

 

[mmksparbud]

So when you quote Luke16:17 you are clearly not relating that to the entire law.

Why do you not address Paul's words? The letter of the Ten Commandments kills.
Why do you not address the point, that according to the core terms of the new covenant, if you are correct, no one could be a Christian unless they were conscious they sinned by failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath?
The law is within you, you know what that law is for it is written in your mind and placed on your heart. You are only convicted of which law to follow by firstly reading it in ink:

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

How did you come to the conclusion you must observe a set Saturday sabbath? Only by reading what was written in ink in the Old Testament
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Rom7:4-6

If you follow after the written code of the law you cannot follow after the Holy Spirit. It is one or the other under the new covenant

Those are the 10--and who wrote Romans?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

It is Jesus dwelling in me---He keeps the law for me. He works in me. We are one and the same--that is what we were buried into with Him, burying the old man and rose up with Him, He now works through me.
Jesus not only kept the law---He expanded on the spirit of the law--adultery meaning now more than just the actual act.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

 

[stephen pollard]

Those are the 10--and who wrote Romans?
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

It is Jesus dwelling in me---He keeps the law for me. He works in me. We are one and the same--that is what we were buried into with Him, burying the old man and rose up with Him, He now works through me.
Jesus not only kept the law---He expanded on the spirit of the law--adultery meaning now more than just the actual act.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Why do you refuse to address the points I made?
Paul wrote to born again Christians in the present tense: The letter kills. He meant the letter of the Ten Commandments.
You only became convicted you must obey a set Saturday sabbath by reading what is written in ink, not from within.

 

[stephen pollard]

Anyone who believes they fully obey the Ten Commandments does not have the conviction of the Holy Spirit in their lives as they should, for he is the convictor of sin

 

[mmksparbud]

Why do you refuse to address the points I made?
Paul wrote to born again Christians in the present tense: The letter kills. He meant the letter of the Ten Commandments.
You only became convicted you must obey a set Saturday sabbath by reading what is written in ink, not from within.

I have addressed them. I reposted Romans 3:31, also written by Paul which explains it, along with those other verses.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Yes--we walk in the Spirit--yes, the letter kills---the Spirit livens! What part of what Jesus said do you disagree with? He expanded on the law--the spirit of the law means a lot more than the letter of the law.

 

[mmksparbud]

Anyone who believes they fully obey the Ten Commandments does not have the conviction of the Holy Spirit in their lives as they should, for he is the convictor of sin

Nobody is perfect--It is Jesus working in us that does it! That is the baptism of the Holy Spirit---the love of Jesus in our hearts does it all.

 

[stephen pollard]

I have addressed them. I reposted Romans 3:31, also written by Paul which explains it, along with those other verses.
Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Yes--we walk in the Spirit--yes, the letter kills---the Spirit livens! What part of what Jesus said do you disagree with? He expanded on the law--the spirit of the law means a lot more than the letter of the law.

If Paul meant in rom 3:31 we would uphold the entire moral law he contradicted himself in 2Cor3:6
Would you tell a young person in your church who had just reached puberty that if they dwelt on any impure thought they are breaking the Ten Commandments? I assume you would do your duty in explaining your belief to them.
Do you claim never to dwell on any impure thought? Never to look at a woman with lust in your eye(Jesus ratified the commandment) Do you never get angry with a brother?(Jesus ratified the commandment) Do you never desire anything that belongs to another? Never? Do you always, without slip put God first in your life, and have no other things(gods) you would ever put before him? Do you have no graven/unholy thoughts in your mind, ever? I could go on and on.
Lets go to the words of Jesus. Do you always, without slip love your enemies, those who may be unkind to you in anyway?

 

[stephen pollard]

Nobody is perfect--It is Jesus working in us that does it! That is the baptism of the Holy Spirit---the love of Jesus in our hearts does it all.

If nobody is perfect, and you break the ten commandments by stumbling at just one point, you are guilty of breaking the entire law(James2:10)

 

[Danthemailman]

Brother Anderson was a member of the SDA Church for 33 years and was taught the SDA Church was the "remnant church" and was the one church entrusted with the "truth" for the last days. To his utter astonishment and amazement, when he began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books, he made the shocking discovery that SDA truth is different from Biblical truth. He found that some SDA teachings are not based upon Scripture at all but upon tradition, conjecture of the early pioneers, and statements made by the prophetess Ellen White.

Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Dangers of Seventh-day Adventism
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Ellen White

 

[mmksparbud]

If nobody is perfect, and you break the ten commandments by stumbling at just one point, you are guilty of breaking the entire law(James2:10)

Yes---that is why we are saved by grace. And when we stumble--we get right back up.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.