SDA

[1stcenturylady]

I am not the one prophecying.

Quoting a prophecy from the Bible is not prophesying. I am not saying she never prophesied, but you were incorrect in your statement: "She also made several prophecies including the date that Jesus would return. He didn't." That was William Miller.

 

[HTacianas]

Quoting a prophecy from the Bible is not prophesying. I am not saying she never prophesied, but you were incorrect in your statement: "She also made several prophecies including the date that Jesus would return. He didn't." That was William Miller.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

 

[NW82]

The one question I have for SDA is the sabbath. How is it observed? It is observed all day Saturday, because biblically that is incorrect?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Six of one, half dozen of the other.

No, completely false. "It is a virtue to be able to admit when you are wrong, and foolishness to remain in arrogance."

 

[HTacianas]

No, completely false. "It is a virtue to be able to admit when you are wrong, and foolishness to remain in arrogance."

The SDA community claims that Christians are required to keep dietary laws and observe Saturday as the sabbath.

Col 2:20 - Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—

,Col 2:21 - “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
Col 2:22 - which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

Enough about the SDAs.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The one question I have for SDA is the sabbath. How is it observed? It is observed all day Saturday, because biblically that is incorrect?

From sundown Friday, to sundown Saturday - then party!

 

[1stcenturylady]

The SDA community claims that Christians are required to keep dietary laws and observe Saturday as the sabbath.

Col 2:20 - Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—

,Col 2:21 - “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
Col 2:22 - which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?

Enough about the SDAs.

Enough about the SDAs? ROFL Do you know the name of this OP?

 

[HTacianas]

Enough about the SDAs? ROFL Do you know the name of this OP?

The title is SDA. And it is in the Controversial Christian forum, meaning that pointing out their heresy is fair game.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The title is SDA. And it is in the Controversial Christian forum, meaning that pointing out their heresy is fair game.

Fair game? What does your false accusation of attributing to EGW what William Miller claimed, to do with fairness? Can you admit that, or not? Where is your love?

Keeping the dietary laws and the Sabbath may be rescinded, but Romans 14 shows us to not treat them with contempt as they do so unto the Lord - not against Him, and God will honor them if they do as they believe.

 

[HTacianas]

Fair game? What does your false accusation of attributing to EGW what William Miller claimed, to do with fairness? Can you admit that, or not? Where is your love?

Keeping the dietary laws and the Sabbath may be rescinded, but Romans 14 shows us to not treat them with contempt as they do so unto the Lord - not against Him, and God will honor them if they do as they believe.

Look at Romans 14:2 and compare it to the beliefs of Ellen White.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Look at Romans 14:2 and compare it to the beliefs of Ellen White.

I have. I'm not saying they are correct by still abiding by the law. But, you really need to check your contempt at the door and leave it there. It is not love.

 

[bekkilyn]

When I want to determine what a denomination represents, I look at their central focus. Not what they necessarily *say* is their central focus, but what it actually is in reality. My experience with SDA has shown me that the ten commandments, particularly the fourth commandment, is *the* central focus and all of their doctrine points back to it in some way.

When something besides God himself is central focus for a group, it could possibly make them seem like a cult.

That mixed with their claim of exclusivity, of being the one true remnant church with nearly every other Christian denomination as apostate. Only SDA know "the truth".

 

[dqhall]

I have. I'm not saying they are correct by still abiding by the law. But, you really need to check your contempt at the door and leave it there. It is not love.

The summer I turned 23, I hitchhiked into a Rocky Mountain town and worked helping a town dig out after a flood. I started attending a Seventh Day Adventist church. I met a young couple who were going to plant pine seedlings on tree farms in South Carolina with a Seventh Day Adventist crew. I got a ride to SC with them and worked with the crew until the end of the planting season. We had prayer meetings before starting work. I learned a vegetarian diet as many Seventh Day Adventists are vegan or vegetarian. I went away from them and their diet, but years later became a vegetarian for my health. A study showed Seventh Day Adventists live longer than the average American. SDA men live to be 87 and SDA women live to be 90. I could not speak evil of them.
Adventist Health Studies | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org

 

[1stcenturylady]

The summer I turned 23, I hitchhiked into a Rocky Mountain town and worked helping a town dig out after a flood. I started attending a Seventh Day Adventist church. I met a young couple who were going to plant pine seedlings on tree farms in South Carolina with a Seventh Day Adventist crew. I got a ride to SC with them and worked with the crew until the end of the planting season. We had prayer meetings before starting work. I learned a vegetarian diet as many Seventh Day Adventists are vegan or vegetarian. I went away from them and their diet, but years later became a vegetarian for my health. A study showed Seventh Day Adventists live longer than the average American. SDA men live to be 87 and SDA women live to be 90. I could not speak evil of them.
Adventist Health Studies | Health Topics | NutritionFacts.org

Yes, the reason goes all the way back to creation when only plants were allowed for food for both man and animals. Only after the flood did God allow all meat to both, and then at the time of Moses was it restricted to only clean meat to signify separation from the Gentiles - which was rescinded at Cornelius's house by God.

 

[Natsumi Lam]

WOW! You passed right over our New Covenant commandments! Did you think no one would notice? Very telling, indeed!

When the apostle John uses the word "commandment" he is not referring to the Ten Commandments out of the Old Covenant, but tells us here what commandments we are to follow that Jesus preached. This goes for all his writings, including Revelation.

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Two sets of commandments. Jesus lived under the law, to fulfill it and bring us to a New Covenant based on belief in Him. Jesus didn't rise on Saturday, but on Sunday. Why? Not because he was resting as Adventists believe, but to show He represents eternal life - the 8th day.

Which Greek word is used for these commandments?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Which Greek word is used for these commandments?

It doesn't matter. What matters is which COVENANT the commands are from. That is where the confusion lies.

The New Covenant commandments are a higher standard than the lowest level commandment of the Ten Commandments. For instance, the Ten Commandments was against murder, but allowed hate. Whereas, the New Covenant was against hate which automatically covered murder. We are not breaking the old laws, but establishing them.

As for the Sabbath, it was a holy convocation that was used as the sign of the covenant. But when a new covenant replaces the old, thus goes the sign and a new sign is appointed. The CUP of the New Covenant (1 Cor. 11:25) is the sign of our covenant, based on the blood of Jesus. Colossians 2:16 shows that Jesus was the substance of all the holy convocations and feasts from Leviticus 23, which the Sabbath was the first one. To see how Jesus was the substance of the Sabbath, read Hebrews 4. It is all about trusting in God, thus Jesus, and being able to then come boldly to the Throne of Grace.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The SDA community claims that Christians are required to keep dietary laws and observe Saturday as the sabbath.
Col 2:20 - Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations—
,Col 2:21 - “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,”
Col 2:22 - which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?
Enough about the SDAs.

SDA is Seventh-day Adventist

It is a legalistic Christian denomination (not a cult) whose main difference is they keep the 4th commandment keeping the Sabbath from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. They also keep the dietary laws of Leviticus 11, so they don't eat pork or shellfish, and most don't even eat meat at all and are just vegetarians, some even vegans. It is also a holiness denomination and don't wear jewelry or makeup, though they allow diamond studded watches. No tobacco, alchohol, movies, playing cards, or dancing.

In the early days of the denomination which came out of the Millerites movement, a young woman named Ellen G. White had visions, and became the demonination's prophetess. Her writings are obeyed and called the Spirit of Prophecy.

Yeah, food topics are also popular hot topic on CF

Are Christians allowed to eat pork under the New Covenant?

1. *
   Yes! It is now lawful under the NC!
   89 vote(s) 73.6%
2. No! It is still unlawful under the NC
   19 vote(s) 15.7%
3. I am not sure
   3 vote(s) 2.5%
4. Other
   12 vote(s) 9.9%

Why Christians do eat pork despite its...

Why Christians do eat pork despite its forbidden in the bible?!!
Pork prohibited in the Bible
The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus
"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".
"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."[Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]
A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.
Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam. and Muslims do not eat it
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:

1. Pork prohibited in Qur’an
The Qur’an prohibits the consumption of pork in no less than 4 different places. It is prohibited in 2:173, 5:3, 6:145 and 16:115.
"Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah." [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.

2. Consumption of pork causes several diseases
The other non-Muslims and atheists will agree only if convinced through reason, logic and science. Eating of pork can cause no less than seventy different types of diseases. A person can have various helminthes like roundworm, pinworm, hookworm, etc.................

3. Pork has fat building material
Pork has very little muscle building material and contains excess of fat. This fat gets deposited in the vessels and can cause hypertension and heart attack. It is not surprising that over 50% of Americans suffer from hypertension.

4. Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
The pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth. It lives and thrives on muck, faeces and dirt. It is the best scavenger that I know that God has produced. In the villages they don’t have modern toilets and the villagers excrete in the open air. Very often excreta is cleared by pigs.
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties..................

5. Pig is the most shameless animal

The pig is the most shameless animal on the face of the earth. It is the only animal that invites its friends to have sex with its mate. In America, most people consume pork.
Many times after dance parties, they have swapping of wives; i.e. many say "you sleep with my wife and I will sleep with your wife."
If you eat pigs then you behave like pigs.
Peace.

 

[NW82]

From sundown Friday, to sundown Saturday - then party!

Correct based on Jewish law. However if any SDA drives to their place of worship they are breaking the sabbath, because driving, biking, blading, skateboarding or other device-driven means of transportation are prohibited on Shabbat, Jews walk rather than commute to synagogue. However, even walking on Shabbat has its limits.

Jewish law sets the maximum walking range from one’s city to 2,000 cubits (3,049.5 feet, 0.596 miles (960 meters). [However, this measurement starts 70 2/3 cubits (112.24 ft.) from the city limits.] Practically speaking, this means that you may not walk a straight line more than .598 miles (3161.74 ft.) in any direction in the wilds outside your city limits.

"City limits" are not defined by the map you carry in your glove compartment.

According to halachah, unless there is more than 70 2/3 cubits between one house and the next, all contiguous housing is considered to be part of the same city. Therefore at times it would be permitted to walk even from one city to the next, as long as the whole way is populated.

The keeping of the Sabbath is either done correctly by Jewish law or it's wrong...or you can take what Romans states on the Sabbath and know that doing this is no longer required.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why do some on CF call it a cult?

Could be for the same reason the Mormons are called one, their prophets/prophetess?

edit to add: I do not view the LDS, JWs or the SDA's as "cults".........

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SDA

William Miller (February 15, 1782 – December 20, 1849) was an American Baptist preacher who is credited with beginning the mid-19th-century North American religious movement known as the Millerites.
After his proclamation of the Second Coming did not occur as expected in the 1840s, new heirs of his message emerged, including the Advent Christians (1860), the Seventh-day Adventists (1863) and other Adventist movements.

Ellen Gould White (née Ellen Gould Harmon; November 26, 1827 – July 16, 1915) was an author and an American Christian pioneer. Along with other Sabbatarian Adventist leaders such as Joseph Bates and her husband James White, she formed what became known as the Seventh-day Adventist Church. The Smithsonian magazine named Ellen G. White among the "100 Most Significant Americans of All Time.[1]

LDS:

Joseph Smith Jr. (December 23, 1805 – June 27, 1844) was an American religious leader and founder of Mormonism and the Latter Day Saint movement. When he was 24, he published the Book of Mormon, and he had attracted tens of thousands of followers and founded a religion that continues to the present by the time of his death 14 years later.

JWs

Jehovah's Witnesses is a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs distinct from mainstream Christianity.[4] The group reports a worldwide membership of 8.45 million adherents involved in evangelism and an annual Memorial attendance of around 20 million.[

Was Miller a False Prophet/Teacher?

William Miller was a Baptist preacher who predicted that Christ's Second Coming would occur in the year 1844. Once the day and year arrived, nothing happened, and many people left the Millerite movement, and this event became known as the Great Disappointment.

However, a man by the name of Hiram Edson claimed to have had a vision and said that Miller was right about the date, but wrong about the place. According to Edson, 1844 was not the time of Christ's return, but rather the beginning of the next phase where he moved to the Most Holy Place, where the investigative judgment began. Many Christians, particularly those of the Evangelical variety of Christianity criticize this doctrine as lacking its origins from Scripture and instead invented as a way for the Millerites to save face. Since that time, Adventists have produced work defending the investigative judgment and the sanctuary doctrine purely with Scripture.

William Miller himself admitted he was wrong, but still believed that Christ's return was soon.

Was Miller a false teacher or prophet? Did he have good intentions or would his destruction have been swift? To me, if he was a false teacher or prophet, he seems to have repented from that, and is therefore safe from destruction.

Does this Adventist doctrine have any basis in Scripture, history or tradition, or is it a uniquely Adventist invention?

 

[ToBeLoved]

Could be for the same reason the Mormons are called one, their prophets/prophetess?

edit to add: I do not view the LDS, JWs or the SDA's as "cults".........

There are a lot more problems with the Mormon religion that have nothing to do with their prophet. A little misleading ImHO