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I know, you are not justified by obeying the ten commandments, but you can only be in a justified state if you do obey the ten commandmentsI never say "your justification is obeying the Ten Commandments" but I do affirm the texts I gave earlier as "the Word of God" and -- Truth.
I am discussing biblical truth, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholicsWe also believe that praying to the dead and bowing down before images is wrong. But the fact that over a billion Christians engage in it - does not "make it right" it just means they have not been enlightened on that Bible truth.
I know you are not justified by obeying the ten commandments, but you can only be in a justified state if you do obey the ten commandments
However, if a Saturday sabbath is as important as sda members believe it is, I am not how sda members would believe, in view of this the Holy Spirit would allow people to continually sin in ignorance of it
I am discussing biblical truth, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholics
That verse does not state people are sinning without knowing they are sinning does it.The moment a saved person sins -- "take God's name in vain" for example - they are not lost.
"these things I write to you that you sin not - and if anyone sins we have an advocate with the Father" 1 John 2:1
Biblical truth statesWe also believe that praying to the dead and bowing down before images is wrong. But the fact that over a billion Christians engage in it - does not "make it right" it just means they have not been enlightened on that Bible truth.
The idea that it only matters when you choose to ignore something in the Bible is not a compelling argument. A Bible principle is true or it is not -- and has nothing to do with "but what if it is just Stephen Pollard"
Biblical truth states
Sin is the transgression of the law
Through the law we become conscious of sin
What is in your mind, you in your mind mustr know
And therefore what is in your heart(law) must bring heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress it
Once again, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholics. I am giving you biblical truth based on the foundation the new covenant stands onWe also believe that praying to the dead and bowing down before images is wrong. But the fact that over a billion Christians engage in it - does not "make it right" it just means they have not been enlightened on that Bible truth.
The idea that it only matters when you choose to ignore something in the Bible is not a compelling argument. A Bible principle is true or it is not -- and has nothing to do with "but what if it is just Stephen Pollard ignoring it or unaware of it".
I point to a rather large group of Christians (much large than "just Stephen Pollard" ) and show that their not being aware of something does not make it right but it also does not mean they are lost due to that fact alone until it is pointed out to them under conviction.
However, if a Saturday sabbath is as important as sda members believe it is, I am not how sda members would believe, in view of this the Holy Spirit would allow people to continually sin in ignorance of it
I am discussing biblical truth, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholics
Once again, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholics. I am giving you biblical truth based on the foundation the new covenant stands on
In Matthew 19 Jesus said "if you want eternal life - keep the commandments" --
Jesus is then asked "which ones".
Instead of avoiding the TEN in Matthew 22 - Jesus specifically quotes from the Ten -- the commands that deal with "Love your neighbor" as He instructed in Leviticus 19.
your idea that all those Christian denominations are confused - is your POV. You can have any view you want.
Agreed.
He does not list "do not take God's name in vain"
He does not list "Love God with all your heart"
He does not list "Do not worship false gods"
etc.
In that list He only includes things related to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
But he does quote outright - verbatim commandments from the TEN commandments
Such that Paul can say in Eph 6:2 that the 5th commandment in that still-binding unit of Ten is the "First commandment with a promise"
We also believe that praying to the dead and bowing down before images is wrong. But the fact that over a billion Christians engage in it - does not "make it right" it just means they have not been enlightened on that Bible truth.
The idea that it only matters when you choose to ignore something in the Bible is not a compelling argument. A Bible principle is true or it is not -- and has nothing to do with "but what if it is just Stephen Pollard ignoring it or unaware of it".
I point to a rather large group of Christians (much large than "just Stephen Pollard" ) and show that their not being aware of something does not make it right but it also does not mean they are lost due to that fact alone until it is pointed out to them under conviction.
Biblical truth does not "vanish" simply because it is shown in application with groups like Catholics. It is true all the same. Your question is not "just in my case -- is the Bible setting up special rules just for Stephen Pollard"? And I think we both know that.
Check the vents on your laptop, they are probably full of dust. The laptop is probably not breathing and that helps to overheat it.
Once again, please discuss catholic beliefs with catholics. I am giving you biblical truth based on the foundation the new covenant stands on
I am happy to change the words from catholic to other denominations. But deflecting to other denominations, rather than discuss biblical facts, shows a weakness in your argument. let other denominations speak for themselvesYou are the one that is using the word Catholic--He named no church--other churches besides Catholics do this. He is merely pointing out that what you said about being in sin and not being convicted is a problem for you---well---they have not been convicted about bowing down to images.
I am happy to change the words from catholic to other denominations. But deflecting to other denominations, rather than discuss biblical facts, shows a weakness in your argument
It is deflection, and catholics may well argue they do not pray to the dead(in their view) The biblical facts remain:Not a deflection--same scenario.
If you read my post, you would see that I do acknowledge SDA as an actual denomination now, but like 20+ years ago it was too small to be considered a denomination. My statement that you think sounds as creative writing is actually out of the dictionary. One of the definitions of cults is a "small group of people".. so it's quite understandable why people who are from the 90's or lower are not as updated with the status of the SDA and still view it as a new belief or cult.Christianity Today wrote an article in Jan 22 of 2015 stating that the SDA church is the 5th largest Christian denomination in the world and one of the fastest growing if not the fastest growing.
Your statement that "cult is determined by size of group" sounds like creative writing - did you make that up or is that "Websters"??
The Christian church itself started "small" is it your claim that the Christian church itself used to be a cult??
Walter Martin did not call the Seventh-day Adventist church a cult in that book. Rather in that book Martin refuted Robert Hoekema's book on Cults where Hoekema had called Adventists a cult. See the appendix to Kingdom of the Cults -- where Martin deals with the topic of Seventh-day Adventists.
That is true.
However there were some key leaders of the Adventist church in the 1800's that did not accept the Trinity. The 1872 statement of Adventists did not oppose the Trinity but also did not make a clear statement on it one way or the other.
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