SDA Question

[deu58]

Hello Bright Candle

The fact of the matter is that, the reason that most SDAs don't quote EGW is that alls 28 of our fundamental beliefs can easily be proved using only the 66 books of the Bible, without quoting one word of EGW!

Well, Flesh and I both have posted several of the Auntie Ellie's visions so why don't you prove this fundamental belief and explain to us why the bible does not support her visions????
17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Or is this just going to be more complaining and no biblical support forth coming??

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[deu58]

I would prefer to submit to God rather than man! If this puts us in violation of someones earthly rules then so be it.

I agree, I would not want to submit to a mans or a woman's rules regarding the Scripture if they did not support what Scripture actually teaches either,

Mt 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

You SDA's have no problem accepting that this verse deals with the weekly Sabbath do you?

Then why do you have trouble accepting it in this verse??

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The exact same word for Sabbath that is used in Matt 12:8 is the very same word that is used for Sabbath in Coll 2:16

savbbaton Sabbaton (sab'-bat-on);
Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Neuter, Strong #: 4521


the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work
the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week

a single sabbath, sabbath day

seven days, a week

KJV Word Usage and Count

sabbath day 37

sabbath 22

week 9

Which raises another interesting question, If God revealed through his Holy Spirit to Paul that woman should not teach in the church then why would he raise up Ellen White not only to teach but actually lead and establish doctrines in his church??

1co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

These words are spoken as Apostolic commandments, You and a few other churchs have decided that submitting to man rather than God on this issue
is acceptable today.

Now I do see in the NT where the Sabbath is no longer required as it was in the OT but I see nowhere that indicates a woman now has authority to teach and lead a church.

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[Airdude]

deu

Actually I believe the rule you follow is to spread as much EGW fertilizer as you can under the guise of the bible until you are caught and called on it,

Now you are showing your true colors! I thought this was a Christian forum.
Hmm. I expected better!!!!!!!!!:o

Is this how you talk about anyone who disagrees with you?

I pray that someday you will become aquainted with Jesus Christ and strive to be more like Him. I'm not saying I'm any better, I pray that for myself as well.

Have a nice day

 

[deu58]

Hi Airdude

deu


Now you are showing your true colors! I thought this was a Christian forum.
Hmm. I expected better!!!!!!!!!:o

Is this how you talk about anyone who disagrees with you?

I pray that someday you will become aquainted with Jesus Christ and strive to be more like Him. I'm not saying I'm any better, I pray that for myself as well.

Have a nice day

My true colors have always been the same, I am simply showing the true colors of the SDA church. Sorry if that upsets you,

There is ample material that flesh and I have both posted for you to prove that you are right and that we are wrong, But it is always the same,

Lots of complaining and no show for support, Before you get all sanctimonious if you will look back at cliffs posts you will see where he accuses people of "dribbling".

I have been to Austraila and am familiar with what the Aussie expression "dribbling" means, It means you are dribbling "fertilizer" out of your mouth,

The person he posted to did not understand the term, But I get around and knew exactly what he meant which he clarified himself is what he meant a few posts later.

Indra_Fanatic said

I believe the word you seek is "drivel".

Now, onto the heart of the discussion: You seem to be denying that vegetarianism/veganism is absolutely necessary for SDA membership, but you have NOT answered the question that has been raised very strongly--that is, whether orthodox SDA leaders do indeed hold that refusal to abstain from meat leads to a lack of salvation.

Please address this topic directly.

Brian

Cliff replied,

Wrong, I meant dribble, the verbal stuff that comes out of peoples mouths when they dom not know what they are talking about.

What I said is what I meant, Many of you and your SDA brethren are here trying to spread another gospel and attempting to hide behind the bible to do so,

When it is pointed out that you are doing so there is lots of yelling and hollering but no support to show that Flesh or I am wrong.
yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[xristos.anesti]

EGW is a fallse prophet, she is a demon possesed evil incarnated witch.

SDA are wrong.

SDA is a death trap.

 

[deu58]

Hi xristos.anesti

EGW is a fallse prophet, she is a demon possesed evil incarnated witch.

SDA are wrong.

SDA is a death trap.

Are you an ex SDA?? Why do you feel so strongly against them?? Just curious seeing the strong wording of your post,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[xristos.anesti]

Oh dear friend, yes.

I am VERY VERY VERY Ex SDA...

Thank God I got out. Thank God many are getting out. Thank God many more will get out.


May I suggest to all current SDA to read and re-read aloud 2. Corinthians chapter 3 as many times as possible (especially verses 3-7).

God bless you all.


Lord have mercy.

 

[deu58]

Hi xristos.anesti

Oh dear friend, yes.

I am VERY VERY VERY Ex SDA...

Thank God I got out. Thank God many are getting out. Thank God many more will get out.

Ahhh I see, It does seem that most ex SDA's are very angry, I have several ex SDA friends here who want to kick the doors off all the SDA church's here and liberate their brethren,

I am trying to counsel a more gentle scriptural approach but they are really chafing at the bit,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[xristos.anesti]

I think that most of x SDA are firstly, very sad that SDA is arround and that they have been in and lied to for whatever the number of years they were in the cult.

As far as anger is concerned I find it very disturbing. Nothing good in it.

I love adventists but will fight against their "wisdom" any day. Again, I do think that they are an arch-heresy and as such should be fought against. But not fought against the people but what they teach. There should be a clear distinction between a heresy and a heretic. Heresy is always work of the devil heretic is not, that is to say, heresy is the property of the devil, heretic is not.

Never-the-less, I do find SDA very wrong.

Lord have mercy.

 

[Cliff2]

What I said is what I meant, Many of you and your SDA brethren are here trying to spread another gospel and attempting to hide behind the bible to do so,

When it is pointed out that you are doing so there is lots of yelling and hollering but no support to show that Flesh or I am wrong.
yours in Christ
deu 58

Another case of being misinformed and posting material that is not correct.

So far all I have asked for is for you to show me from the Bible where I am wrong.

To date that has not happened.

I have posted the "27 Fundamental Beliefs" which are supported by the Bible and so far not one of them have been prooved wrong from the Bible.

You need to look at them and say why the Bible verses are wrong and what the right ones are.

When you go through each one like that then I will consider what you say. Until then I have no inclination to look at what you say.

I could post them again, but I doubt if it would have any influnece on what you write.

 

[Cliff2]

I think that most of x SDA are firstly, very sad that SDA is arround and that they have been in and lied to for whatever the number of years they were in the cult.

As far as anger is concerned I find it very disturbing. Nothing good in it.

I love adventists but will fight against their "wisdom" any day. Again, I do think that they are an arch-heresy and as such should be fought against. But not fought against the people but what they teach. There should be a clear distinction between a heresy and a heretic. Heresy is always work of the devil heretic is not, that is to say, heresy is the property of the devil, heretic is not.

Never-the-less, I do find SDA very wrong.

Lord have mercy.

PM me and let me know waht the problem was please. I may be able to help, then again I may not, depending on what the issues were.

 

[Airdude]

Deu,

Many of you and your SDA brethren are here trying to spread another gospel and attempting to hide behind the bible to do so,

If I am not mistaken the term "Another Gospel" belongs to the LDS(Latter Day Saints or Mormons). As to hiding, I assure you there is no hiding going on. Cliff and others have adequately answered your posts directly from scripture, which is just as it should be. To answer you from EGW writings only would be irrellevant which I understand is exactly what you are looking for. I applaud Cliff and others for not falling into your trap. The 27 fundamental beliefs are all supported with scriptural references. You know this as well as I.
It's just too bad you can't use your time and talents for something more useful to the Kingdom.
Have a good day

 

[Airdude]

EGW is a fallse prophet, she is a demon possesed evil incarnated witch.

SDA are wrong.

SDA is a death trap.

:o

Can you please be more specific?

 

[deu58]

Hello Airdude

If I am not mistaken the term "Another Gospel" belongs to the LDS(Latter Day Saints or Mormons).

You are mistaken, The term applies to any group that has changed the Gospel as it was given to the Apostles by Christ himself,

Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

But God did not design that the medical missionary work should eclipse the work of the third angels message. The arm is not to become the body. The third angel's message is the Gospel message for these last days, and in no case is it to be overshadowed by other interests and made to appear as an unessential consideration. When in our institutionsanything is placed above the third angel's message, the gospel is not there, the great leading power.

Pg 120

Our offerings are not to be entrusted to any one person. We are to make no one man our steward. The third angels' message is to go to all parts of the
120
world, and we are not to help in the creation of any interests which will absorb God's money in a work which has in it much which belongs not to the work for this time. {KC 119.7}

Evangelism, Ch7 , The Message and its Presentation. Pg 196
Three Messages Important.--The theme of greatest importance is the third angel's message, embracing the messages of the first and second angels. All should understand the truths contained in these messages and demonstrate them in daily life, for this is essential to salvation.

I was shown that the third angel proclaiming the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, [SEE REVELATION 14:9-12.] represents the people who receive this message, and raise the voice of warning to the world to keep the commandments of God and His law as the apple of the eye; and that in response to this warning, many would embrace the Sabbath of the Lord. {CET 87.2}

The central message of the Third Angels Message is that the Jewish Sabbath again became mandatory on Oct 22 1844 and from that time till the return of Christ Sabbath keeping is now an essential requirement for Salvation,

Ellen G White in Europe 1885-1887 By D.A Delafield
Ch 14 The First Visit to Italy.
......tried to tell him that if a person had light on the Sabbath he could not be saved while rejecting it. {EGWE 141.4}

The SDA church has on it's own authority changed the Biblical meaning of the Gospel Message and included the Jewish Sabbath as a requirement for salvation , You do not teach the same Gospel that Jesus gave to the Apostles who in turn have passed down to us to give to the next generation of believers,

There is no where in New Testament that teaches you must keep the Sabbath to be saved, Ellen White even confirms this in her 1846 Sabbath vision that this "truth could not be revealed until Jesus began the second part of his ministry of Atonement, another unscriptural teaching that claims atonement was not a completed work at the cross, in the Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple.

A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (185) PG 25

I saw that the present test on the Sabbath could not come until the mediation of Jesus in the Holy Place was finished, and he had passed within the second vail; therefore, Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened in the Most Holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month 1844, and had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope, for they had not the light, and the test on the Sabbath, which we now have since that door was opened. I saw that Satan was tempting some of God's people on this point. Because so many good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith, and have not kept the true Sabbath, they were doubting about it being a test for us now.

A Sketch of the Christian Experience and Views of Ellen G. White (1851) Pg 25

Christians who fell asleep before the door was opened in the Most Holy, when the midnight cry was finished, at the seventh month 1844, and had not kept the true Sabbath, now rest in hope,for they had not the light, and the test on the Sabbath, which we now have since that door was opened.

Christian Experience and Teachings of Ellen G White,
Ch 12 The Heavenly Sanctuary Pg 93

I saw that the holy Sabbath is, and will be, the separating wall between the true Israel of God and unbelievers; and that the Sabbath is the great question to unite the hearts of God's dear, waiting saints. {CET 93.1}

Even according to you own Prophetess's words you do teach another gospel

As to hiding, I assure you there is no hiding going on. Cliff and others have adequately answered your posts directly from scripture, which is just as it should be.

Misquoting and taking scripture out of context is not answering adequately, If you do not think that this is what you are doing then can you please explain why that today it is only SDA's talking to themselves on the Sabbath Thread?

Nobody will even discuss the issue with you any more because of your abuse of the scriptures, refusal to answer and deal with direct questions, Refusal to consider the New Testament teachings regarding what is plainly said and what is actually written in the original languages,

To answer you from EGW writings only would be irrellevant which I understand is exactly what you are looking for.

No one has asked you to answer from the Spirit of Prophecy, What has been asked of you is why does the Spirit of Prophecy say one thing and the Bible say something completely different not only concerning the Sabbath but on many different issues, It is the SDA church that has stated that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of the Bible,

Review and Herald Supplement, August 14, 1883.
“It is from the standpoint of the light that has come through the Spirit of Prophecy that the question will be considered, believing as we do that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is the Christ, through this agency, giving real meaning of his own words.”

Arthur White, grandson of Ellen White, and for years the head of the Ellen G. White Estate, made the following claim concerning his Grandmothers writings,


Seventh-day Adventists are uniquely fortunate in approaching the question of inspiration of the prophets. We are not left to find our way, drawing our conclusions from writings of two thousand years and more ago, that have come down to us through varied transcriptions and translations. With us it is an almost contemporary matter, for we had a prophet in our midst. It is generally granted by the careful student of her works that the experience of Ellen G. White was no different from that of the prophets of old. What is more, rather than having in our possession only relatively few chapters of a handful of letters as is the case of the extant records of the Bible prophets, we have the full range of Ellen G. White’s writings, penned through a period of 70 years. She wrote in the English language, so we are not confronted with the problems of translation. The Ellen G. White Writings, p. 15.

We have simply asked you to confirm from the bible the visions which are the source of the teachings of Ellen G White and are the basis of the doctrines that she established to govern your church. Something that should be rather simple to do and one would think that you or any other SDA would be eager to do if her writings were really in harmony with the bible as the SDA's claim

I applaud Cliff and others for not falling into your trap. The 27 fundamental beliefs are all supported with scriptural references. You know this as well as I.

My Trap??? I did not write the Spirit Prophecy nor am I responsible for the SDA claims that it is in complete harmony with the teachings of the Bible, You SDA's have set your own trap and have sprung it on yourselves, All we have done is asked you to prove that the visions of Ellen G White that established your doctrines and teachings are true using the Bible,

None you have done it yet and become angry when asked to do so, Not to mention that I have shown in another thread where the majority of your 27 Fundamental beliefs are actually based on the writings of Ellen White rather than the bible,

It's just too bad you can't use your time and talents for something more useful to the Kingdom.

Actually my time and talents are spent in many other ways to help further the Kingdom of God other than exposing the falsehoods of Adventism, But considering I am very aware of the judgmental spirit of blindness that guides the SDA church I can understand why you would make such assumptions with out really knowing any thing about me,

Have a good day

And you also,

yours in Christ
deu 58

 

[BrightCandle]

Hello Bright Candle


Well, Flesh and I both have posted several of the Auntie Ellie's visions so why don't you prove this fundamental belief and explain to us why the bible does not support her visions????
17. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

Or is this just going to be more complaining and no biblical support forth coming??

yours in Christ
deu 58

In quoting fundamental belief #17 you backed up what I stated in my previous post: Namely, that EGW is an authoritive source for truth, comfort, and guidance, instruction, and correction, but that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. In other words, her writings are subordinated to Bible, and that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth. The Bible is the SDAs basis for doctrine, not EGW. Deu58 face the fact, that if you take away all of EGW's writings, the SDA church and it's doctrines will stand firmly on the Bible, you cannot say this about the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or most Protestant churches because they have incorporated the traditions of men into their doctrines. Case in point: Sunday keeping as opposed to Sabbath keeping!

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

In quoting fundamental belief #17 you backed up what I stated in my previous post: Namely, that EGW is an authoritive source for truth, comfort, and guidance, instruction, and correction, but that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. In other words, her writings are subordinated to Bible, and that the Bible is the ultimate source of truth. The Bible is the SDAs basis for doctrine, not EGW. Deu58 face the fact, that if you take away all of EGW's writings, the SDA church and it's doctrines will stand firmly on the Bible, you cannot say this about the Roman Catholic, Orthodox, or most Protestant churches because they have incorporated the traditions of men into their doctrines. Case in point: Sunday keeping as opposed to Sabbath keeping!

But the SDAs do not keep the Sabbath as laid out in scripture. In fact the only place the SDA version of Sabbath keeping is found is in EGWs writings. Sabbath keeping according to scripture is completely different than what the SDA church does. On the surface you can make a case for Sabbath keeping with scripture, one that is easily disproven, but once you get into the way the SDA keep the Sabbbath and the food laws you find it is not in fact supported by scripture but only in the writings of EGW. This is the problem with the whole thing. On the surface it does appear these doctrines have some tenuous Biblical backing but the actual doctrines in practice come straight from EGW's writings.

 

[BrightCandle]

But the SDAs do not keep the Sabbath as laid out in scripture. In fact the only place the SDA version of Sabbath keeping is found is in EGWs writings. Sabbath keeping according to scripture is completely different than what the SDA church does. On the surface you can make a case for Sabbath keeping with scripture, one that is easily disproven, but once you get into the way the SDA keep the Sabbbath and the food laws you find it is not in fact supported by scripture but only in the writings of EGW. This is the problem with the whole thing. On the surface it does appear these doctrines have some tenuous Biblical backing but the actual doctrines in practice come straight from EGW's writings.

That is just not true, flesh99. EGW herself at one time kept Sunday and ate pork, as most of the early of early Adventists did until through intense Bible study and prayer, and mulitple visions that EGW recieved, God shed further light on what was already in the Bible. As I said in a earlier post, the doctrines of Sabbath keeping and not eating unclean foods were doctrines that exisisted for millennia, EGW did not creat them. SDAs have been lead by God at this time in the world's history to bring the ancient truths back to the world's attention, as we near the soon return of Jesus. Flesh, you and Deu, it seems make judgements about SDAs based primarily on your limited knowledge of SDAs, if you would look at the fact that the SDA church is bringing the Gospel along with tremendous insight into the books of Daniel and Revelation, and the added blessings of a bible based health message to more people in the world at this time than any other Christian church in the world, you would have a dramatic change of mind and heart.

 

[BrightCandle]

But the SDAs do not keep the Sabbath as laid out in scripture. In fact the only place the SDA version of Sabbath keeping is found is in EGWs writings. Sabbath keeping according to scripture is completely different than what the SDA church does. On the surface you can make a case for Sabbath keeping with scripture, one that is easily disproven, but once you get into the way the SDA keep the Sabbbath and the food laws you find it is not in fact supported by scripture but only in the writings of EGW. This is the problem with the whole thing. On the surface it does appear these doctrines have some tenuous Biblical backing but the actual doctrines in practice come straight from EGW's writings.

Regarding Sabbath keeping and SDAs: If God gave us the Sabbath commandment (#4), and he asks mandkind to obey it just as like the other 9 of the 10, why would not God help us to keep it? Flesh, you try to cast doubt on anyone who trys to keep God's Commandments. The Ten Commandments are not complicated, including the Sabbath commandment, as I have stated many times before a 12 year old child can comprehend its meaning, while adults because they refuse to even consider ot obey what God's commands, cannot comprehend the truth! The statutes given to the Jews in the law of Moses applied to the Jews or any other peoples if common sense shows that it does apply in our time. The Sabbath commandment as written by Jesus' own finger in stone, applies to all of mandkind through all time exactly as it is written. Here is a simple illustration: Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath before they sinned, and after they sinnned, and were cast out of the Garden of Eden. The children of Israel and the law of Moses did not exist at that time, but they kept the Sabbath. We are not wandering in the wilderness with the children of Israel now, so many of statutes in the law of Moses dealing with Sabbath keeping in that time, and their unique situation, don't nessesarily apply to Christians worldwide at this time, but the Sabbath can still be kept according to the commandment just like the disciple did after Jesus was crucified.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

That is just not true, flesh99. EGW herself at one time kept Sunday and ate pork, as most of the early of early Adventists did until through intense Bible study and prayer, and mulitple visions that EGW recieved, God shed further light on what was already in the Bible. As I said in a earlier post, the doctrines of Sabbath keeping and not eating unclean foods were doctrines that exisisted for millennia, EGW did not creat them. SDAs have been lead by God at this time in the world's history to bring the ancient truths back to the world's attention, as we near the soon return of Jesus. Flesh, you and Deu, it seems make judgements about SDAs based primarily on your limited knowledge of SDAs, if you would look at the fact that the SDA church is bringing the Gospel along with tremendous insight into the books of Daniel and Revelation, and the added blessings of a bible based health message to more people in the world at this time than any other Christian church in the world, you would have a dramatic change of mind and heart.

So scripture is not enough after all? The doctrine of Sabbath keeping can have a case made for it in scripture as the Messianic Jews do but the methods by which the SDA keep the Sabbath are not scriptural and neither are the ways the food laws are kept. These are taught as SDA doctrine and yet there is no Biblical backing for the way they are taught. You have said it's Bible only and then that EGW shed further light on it. These statements are mutually exclusive. You have just shown that without the writings of EGW that the methods by which the SDA keep the Sabbath fall apart.

The health message is quite frankly overshadowed by the repeated fraud of the SDA health organizations are involved in. Last estimate was 2,000,000,000 that is trillion, USD worth of fraud. This from an organization who claims to be the remanent church? These are official SDA hospitals controlled by the church. The AH is in fact facing bankruptcy if the charges are upheld. That does not bode well for the overal SDA organization. It also shows that the church as a whole feels they are above the law as these are official AH hospitals and controlled by the church. So bringing the health aspects of it into play you allow for more evidence against the SDA church. Participating in defrauding the government of trillions of dollars is not a very good message. These frauds date all the way back to 1974 in some cases.

The whole point is that overall, without the writings of EGW, the doctrines of the SDA church do not stand up to scrutiny under the light of scripture. So by showing she could not have been a prophet by Biblical standards, which is done easily, we show that the foundation of the SDA church is in fact false.

 

[Airdude]

Deu,

It is the SDA church that has stated that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of the Bible,

Review and Herald Supplement, August 14, 1883.
“It is from the standpoint of the light that has come through the Spirit of Prophecy that the question will be considered, believing as we do that the Spirit of Prophecy is the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles, since it is the Christ, through this agency, giving real meaning of his own words.”

This does not imply anything about changing the Gospel. It only refers to interpreting what is already there.

Ga 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

But God did not design that the medical missionary work should eclipse the work of the third angels message. The arm is not to become the body. The third angel's message is the Gospel message for these last days, and in no case is it to be overshadowed by other interests and made to appear as an unessential consideration. When in our institutionsanything is placed above the third angel's message, the gospel is not there, the great leading power.

Pg 120

Are you saying that the Adventist church has put Medical missionary work above the Gospel message. In many cases you must help a man heal his wounds before he can be open to the gospel.

The central message of the Third Angels Message is that the Jewish Sabbath again became mandatory on Oct 22 1844 and from that time till the return of Christ Sabbath keeping is now an essential requirement for Salvation,

Try again, Oct 22 1844 refers to the fulfillment of the 2300 day prophecy and Christs work in the Heavenly Sanctuary. There is probably enough there for another thread.

Misquoting and taking scripture out of context is not answering adequately

I couldn't agree more! So why do you insist on doing so?

Because so many good Christians have fallen asleep in the triumphs of faith, and have not kept the true Sabbath, they were doubting about it being a test for us now.

If you have honestly not been fully convinced of the Sabbath then God does not hold that against you, however if you know it to be true and reject that truth you will be held accountable for it.

please explain why that today it is only SDA's talking to themselves on the Sabbath Thread?

This is because the issue was settled when you failed to show where the Sabbath was ever changed in scripture.

Look forward to hearing from you as always.