Scriptures on Salvation

[jwsiii]

Some scriptures on salvation seem to make it sound like it is easy to be saved and others make it sound more difficult. For example: Rom 10:9 vs Mat 19:24. I'm trying to explain salvation to someone and I need to understand it a little better myself first. Could someone explain this to me

 

[Romanbear]

Hi Jwsii;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Confessing by mouth is needed in order to be saved some call it Justification. Without confession there is no Salvation.

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Christ is saying here that it is a hard thing for a richman to stop being concerned for his money and to follow him as shown in this Parable. You see the love of his money was greater than his love for Christ. In fact he probably didn't even know he was talking to the messiah. Because he addresses Him as good master. If this man was a Jew he was blinded to the fact that who he was talking to was God in the flesh. This doesn't mean that it is impossible. When we follow Christ we must be willing to give up every thing for Christ. Not just our wealth but also our mothers, fathers, brothers, and sisters, all love ones and all things allowing nothing to come first. but the Lord. Jesus must come first.
I hope this helps.
In Christ;
Romanbear

 

[1John5:3]

Salvation

justification - salvation from the penalty of sins of the past
sanctification - salvation from the power of sin in the present
glorification - salvation from the presence of sin in the future

We need to keep these three together, in theory and in the life. There is no other eternal salvation.

 

[Ragman]

Lk. 2 gives account of Mary and Joseph bringing the baby Jesus into the temple and meeting a man named Simeon who had been promised by the Holy Spirit that He would not see death until he had seen the Lord's Christ. Upon seeing Jesus Simeon said, "Lord let thy servant depart in peace...for my eyes have seen thy salvation which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel."

It is interesting that Simeon called Jesus the Lord's "salvation". Not merely the one who "brings" salvation or who "provides" salvation, but salvation itself.

In its simplest terms salvation is Christ himself. For in this One Person, God and humanity are brought together to share what the Son has always experienced with His Father. This is our inheritance, this is what we have been made "joint-heirs" to be given share in the Son's exciting and passionate relationship with His Father.

Salvation is not primarily about sin or hell or judgement, it is about a Father who has always wanted a daughter or son like you; who created you, adopted you and redeemed you in His Son and by His Spirit.

What must you do???? Can you believe that he has already done it?

Ragman

 

[Scotticusprime]

There are some people that say baptism is necessary for salvation. I know this is a controversial issue and I'm not sure if I believe it myself:

John 3:5
"Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."

1 Peter 3:20-22
"In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

These same people tell me that everyone who was saved after Jesus left was baptised as a requirement of salvation and only afterwards recieved the Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:38
"Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

The only exceptions I've found are at the day of Pentecost and Acts 11:15, where the Jews then Gentiles are given the Holy Spirit before baptism.

Then I find verses like these and get confused:

In Mark 1:8, is he saying that Jesus will baptize all of us with the Holy Spirit or just the people John was talking to?
"I[John] baptize you with water, but he[Jesus] will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."


I find enough scriptures to support both thoughts and so, I am confused.

 

[Received]

John 17:3
John 17:3
John 17:3

Salvation refers not to a duration in life -- for even the condemned will lived forever; salvation refers to quality; eternal refers to the immutable perfection of the life of God.

 

[onetruechurch]

HEAR- ROMANS 10:17
BELIEVE-JOHN8:24
REPENT-ACTS 17:30
CONFESS-ROMANS 10:10
BE BAPTIZED-ACTS 22:16
LIVE FAITHFULLY IN CHRIST
iT CAN BE KIND OF CONFUSING BECAUSE ALL OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT IN THE SAME VERSE, HOWEVER, IF YOU READ THROUGH THE NT, YOU WILL FIND THEY WILL ALL GET YOU TO HEAVEN, NOT ONE ONLY (BELIEVING) BUT ALL.

 

[Drotar]

Ephesians 2:8-10
Ephesians 2:8-10
Ephesians 2:8-10

and THEN John 17:3

 

[Jeffery]

jwsiii,
In your case it might be better to get a simple Bible gospel tract with the Verses already listed and go through it with them.

 

[Mounts]

Ephesians 2:8-10
Ephesians 2:8-10
Ephesians 2:8-10

and THEN John 17:3

That is exactly right.

I just happen to have made a list with verses pertaining to salvation today, but this list is horribly incomplete. Just keep that in mind, but I hope they can help:

Salvation is of God and not earned by the will or actions of a man
(By Grace and not of Works)

• John 1:13
• Romans 9:16
• Ephesians 2:4,5
• Ephesians 2:8-10
• 2 Timothy 1:9

Salvation was determined before the beginning of creation

• Romans 9:11 (Before works)
• Ephesians 1:4 (Before creation)
• Ephesians 2:10 (Before time)

Salvation is secure forever

• Romans 8:1 (No condemnation in Christ)
• Romans 8:29,30 (God predestinated to glorfication)
• Romans 38,39 (Nothing can seperate from God's love)
• Ephesians 1:5 (Set before the foundation of the world)
• Ephesians 1:11 (Predestinated to obtain an inheritance)
• Ephesians 1:14 (Holy Spirit is the Seal to salvation)
• Philippians 1:6 (God will finish the work He began)

Salvation is for God's glory

• Romans 8:28b
• Ephesians 1:6
• Ephesians 1:9
• Ephesians 1:12
• Ephesians 1:14b

Countless people ignore or twist these important verses pertaining to salvation. They claim salvation can be earned by man, and sadly they claim salvation can be lost. Salvation is the GIFT of God, earned not of works.


It is important that your friend understands that he/she is a sinner in need of a Savior. That Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ. Teach him/her Christ. Bring him/her to Christ. Anyone who believes on His name shall be saved, but only those whom God gives the gift of faith can believe (Mt. 16:17).

"Eternal life is to know God and His Son Lord Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). Jesus Christ is the only way, our only salvation. Your friend needs to seek Jesus and to know Him.

 

[Gamecock]

That is exactly right.

I just happen to have made a list with verses pertaining to salvation today, but this list is horribly incomplete. Just keep that in mind, but I hope they can help:

Salvation is of God and not earned by the will or actions of a man
(By Grace and not of Works)

• John 1:13
• Romans 9:16
• Ephesians 2:4,5
• Ephesians 2:8-10
• 2 Timothy 1:9

Salvation was determined before the beginning of creation

• Romans 9:11 (Before works)
• Ephesians 1:4 (Before creation)
• Ephesians 2:10 (Before time)

Salvation is secure forever

• Romans 8:1 (No condemnation in Christ)
• Romans 8:29,30 (God predestinated to glorfication)
• Romans 38,39 (Nothing can seperate from God's love)
• Ephesians 1:5 (Set before the foundation of the world)
• Ephesians 1:11 (Predestinated to obtain an inheritance)
• Ephesians 1:14 (Holy Spirit is the Seal to salvation)
• Philippians 1:6 (God will finish the work He began)

Salvation is for God's glory

• Romans 8:28b
• Ephesians 1:6
• Ephesians 1:9
• Ephesians 1:12
• Ephesians 1:14b

Countless people ignore or twist these important verses pertaining to salvation. They claim salvation can be earned by man, and sadly they claim salvation can be lost. Salvation is the GIFT of God, earned not of works.


It is important that your friend understands that he/she is a sinner in need of a Savior. That Savior is the Lord Jesus Christ. Teach him/her Christ. Bring him/her to Christ. Anyone who believes on His name shall be saved, but only those whom God gives the gift of faith can believe (Mt. 16:17).

"Eternal life is to know God and His Son Lord Jesus Christ" (John 17:3). Jesus Christ is the only way, our only salvation. Your friend needs to seek Jesus and to know Him.

Great Post!

 

[onetruechurch]

"Countless people ignore or twist these important verses pertaining to salvation. They claim salvation can be earned by man, and sadly they claim salvation can be lost. Salvation is the GIFT of God, earned not of works."
what about James chapter 2 that says faith without works is dead?????

 

[Acceptance]

Salvation is of God and not earned by the will or actions of a man
(By Grace and not of Works)

• John 1:13
• Romans 9:16
• Ephesians 2:4,5
• Ephesians 2:8-10
• 2 Timothy 1:9

Salvation was determined before the beginning of creation

• Romans 9:11 (Before works)
• Ephesians 1:4 (Before creation)
• Ephesians 2:10 (Before time)

Salvation is secure forever

• Romans 8:1 (No condemnation in Christ)
• Romans 8:29,30 (God predestinated to glorfication)
• Romans 38,39 (Nothing can seperate from God's love)
• Ephesians 1:5 (Set before the foundation of the world)
• Ephesians 1:11 (Predestinated to obtain an inheritance)
• Ephesians 1:14 (Holy Spirit is the Seal to salvation)
• Philippians 1:6 (God will finish the work He began)

Salvation is for God's glory

• Romans 8:28b
• Ephesians 1:6
• Ephesians 1:9
• Ephesians 1:12
• Ephesians 1:14b

Ok, really you're siting here 7 posts:
Romans 8:1-30, Ephesians 1:4-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, John 1:13, Romans 9:11-16, Philippians 1:6, and 2 Tim 1-9 (You also sited Romans 38-39, which I assume is a typo, because it doesn't exist)

It's funny that you use Ephesians 1:14 to argue salvation is secure forever when it says (in conjunction with 13): "You who have heard the word of truth...and have believed in him were sealed with the promised holy Spirit, which is the first installment of our inheritance toward redemption as God's possession..." It says right in the passage that this is only the first part of salvation; the near opposite of 'salvation is secure forever'.

When you read Philippians 1:6 in context we find that Paul is sitting down with his friends (the Philippians) and he says this to them personally "I am confident of this, that the one who began a good work in you will continue to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus." He does not make a sweeping statement to cover all humanity here, as he does at other points in the bible; he is talking directly to the people he is with.

Ephesians 2:10 does not say that salvation is 'predetermined before time', it says "For we are his handiwork, created in Christ Jesus for the good works that God has prepared in advance, that we should live in them." This verse only states that our good works are prepared in advance, NOT our salvation, and as you very clearly stated, salvation does not come from works.

Romans 8:1 says, as you stated, that "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ". However, it does not support that salvation is secure forever. It simply says that while you are with Christ (following him, have him as your God, etc.) you will not be condemed. This passage clearly leaves room for one to fall away from Christ and lose his/her salvation. Further on in the passage in 29-30, Paul is using this to emphasize the extreme thought that God has taken for the salvation of Christians. If you take the passage literally, it also says that only the first born males will be saved: "For those he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn amond many brothers." And I know that some modern day reformers tend to disagree with Luther's and Calvin's affirmation that Mary was a virgin and holy, but... surely she was saved, yet she wasn't a man or a first born among many brothers.

Countless people ignore or twist these important verses pertaining to salvation.

Is one of those people you?

 

[Acceptance]

1 Corinthians 4:5 -- "So you should not pass judgment on anyone before the right time comes. Final judgment must wait until the Lord comes; he will bring to light the dark secrets and expose the hidden purposes of people's minds. And then everyone will receive from God the praise he deserves."

Romans 2:1-16 -- "Did you, my friend, pass judgment on others? You have no excuse at all, whoever you are...We know that God is right when he judges the people who do such things as these. But you my friend, do those very things for which you pass judgment on others! Do you think you will escape God's judgment?...For God will reward every person according to what he has done. Some people keep on doing good, and seek glory, honor, and immortal life; to them God will give eternal life...There will be suffering and pain for all those who do what is evil."

Matthew 7:21 -- "Not everyone who calls me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but only those who do what my father in heaven wants them to do"

Matthew 5:20 -- "I tell you then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires"

Matthew 16:27 -- "For the Son of Man is about to come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will reward each one according to his deeds."

Luke 6:47-49 --" ...But anyone who hears my words and does not obey them is like a man who built his house with out laying a foundation; when the flood hit that house it fell at once"

Luke 14:13-14 -- "When you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind; and you will be blessed, because they are not able to pay you back. God will repay you on the day the good people rise from death."

John 14:23 -- "Jesus answered him" (Judas) "'Whoever loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and my Father and I will come to him and live with him."


2 Timothy 2:19-21 -- "But the solid foundation that God has laid cannot be shaken: and on it are written these words: 'The Lord those who are his' and 'Whoever says that he belongs to the Lord must turn away from wrongdoing'... If anyone makes himself clean from all those evil things, he will be used for special purposes, because he is dedicated and useful to his Master, ready to be used for every good deed."

I think we'll all agree that it is only through our faith in God that we can do good deeds. This is how no one can boast, because it is God working through us. And one last thing I'd like to say (sorry this is so long); choosing to have faith in Jesus Christ is, in itself, a good work...it is an action. It is something you must do in order to be saved.

 

[john14_20]

Hey Gamecock. Excuse my ignorance, please, but what on earth is that statement at the end of your posts supposed to mean?

"All true Christians will be calvanists in Glory"

(woody has it too)

 

[onetruechurch]

Salvation is not primarily about sin or hell or judgement, it is about a Father who has always wanted a daughter or son like you; who created you, adopted you and redeemed you in His Son and by His Spirit.

What must you do???? Can you believe that he has already done it?

Ragman

funny Ragman, I do believe Acts 2:37&38 says "Men and Brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?"
38-REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF YOUR SINS. Please note he didn't say- oh, God has already done it for you! Go on about your merry little way. Your saved!!!!
otc

 

[Habermasian]

Interesting discussion.

Ok, really you're siting here 7 posts:
Romans 8:1-30, Ephesians 1:4-14, Ephesians 2:4-10, John 1:13, Romans 9:11-16, Philippians 1:6, and 2 Tim 1-9 (You also sited Romans 38-39, which I assume is a typo, because it doesn't exist)

It's funny that you use Ephesians 1:14 to argue salvation is secure forever when it says (in conjunction with 13): "You who have heard the word of truth...and have believed in him were sealed with the promised holy Spirit, which is the first installment of our inheritance toward redemption as God's possession..." It says right in the passage that this is only the first part of salvation; the near opposite of 'salvation is secure forever'.

What translation are you reading? Here's the NIV
Ephesians 1 11-14
11In him we were also chosen,[5] having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession--to the praise of his glory.

When you read Philippians 1:6 in context we find that Paul is sitting down with his friends (the Philippians) and he says this to them personally "I am confident of this, that the one who began a good work in you will continue to complete it until the day of Christ Jesus." He does not make a sweeping statement to cover all humanity here, as he does at other points in the bible; he is talking directly to the people he is with.

What does that have to do with salvation? We continue to grow in our faith our whole lives. His work continues in us even as saved Christians.

And the passage with the incomplete reference was Romans 8 38-39


From Romans 8
More Than Conquerors
35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36As it is written: "For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered."[12] 37No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[13] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[MattMMMan17]

What a surpise. Many different Christians with many differing views considering salvation. Oh the joys of the practice of Sola Scriptura. I suggest you read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say on the subject. Of course, if you're more interested in scriptural evidence of the teaching, that can be found here http://www.scripturecatholic.com/salvation.html

 

[Ben johnson]

I find enough scriptures to support both thoughts and so, I am confused.

In Genesis 1 is the account of the creation of MAN and WOMAN; but it's also in ch2. It's a LITERARY VEHICLE, "the TWICE-TOLD-TALE". In John3, verse 6 is not SEPARATE from verse 5, it is TWICE-TOLD-TALE. Thus, "water" in verse 5, is the Greek "HUDOR" --- water-as-the-fundamental-element --- FLESH.

Verse 5 says "born of FLESH and SPIRIT"
Verse 6 says "born of FLESH and SPIRIT".

Twice-told-tale.

Realize that "baptizo" means "to IMMERSE". In Matt3:11, there is:
1. Immersion in WATER
2. Immersion into the SPIRIT
3. Immersion of FIRE for SINNERS.

We know that "baptize with fire" means "Hell", because of verse 12 --- TWICE-TOLD-TALE! Verse 12 TELLS us what verse 11 means! JUST as John3:6 TELLS us what verse 3:5 means!

Now, in Romans 6 Paul labors to convey the substance of "BORN AGAIN". We are:
1. IMMERSED in CHrist.
2. BURIED with Christ.
3. UNITED with Christ.
4. CRUCIFIED with Christ.

There is NO WAY to "lever" BAPTIZO outta context and make it WATER; it is immersion into JESUS and not into WATER.

To "solve" the waterbaptism-thing, look at Cornelius & family, Acts 10. According to Acts 11:15 they "received the Spirit JUST AS THE APOSTLES had". 11:17 they "believed and RECEIVED THE SAME GIFT AS THE APOSTLES." They were SAVED --- but not yet WATER-BAPTIZED.

RE salvation --- those who say "there are some ELECT, chosen by GOD" --- I respectfully say that Scripture CONTRADICTS that entire dogma.

Salvation is UNIVERSAL in availability (many verses on request --- ask me if you're interested). PREDESTINED-ELECTION says "atonement is LIMITED".

Each man is depraved; but each man (and woman) is drawn by Jesus to where he/she CAN receive Christ; this is NOT a "man-work"; it is rather the OPPOSITE of work, it is SURRENDER to Jesus. (Many verses on request)

Salvation is BELIEVING; but it is so much more. Jesus said "BELIEVE" (Jn3:16, 6:40); but Jesus said "REPENT" (Lk13:3), "humble yourselves as children" (Matt18:3-4), "DO God's will" (Matt7:21), and "be BORN AGAIN" (Jn3:3); each of those is written as:
"Unless you _______, you will NOT go to Heaven."

It is the BORN AGAIN, under which all the others reside.

FAITH-TO-SALVATION, is BELIEF-TO-SALVATION; belief comes from our OWN HEARTS (Rom10:10, 6:17, Acts2:37 "smitten in conscience").

Belief SAVES; unbelief CONDEMNS. (Jn3:18,Mk16:16) Because BELIEF comes from US (see Rm10:17, 2Tim3:15), we can be DECEVED by SIN into UNBELIEF (1Tim4:1, Heb3:12-14, James1:14-16). A TRULY-SAVED-PERSON (2Pet2:18, "ontos-apopheugo-TRULY-ESCAPED") can become "entangled in world's defilements and overcome, and worse than BEFORE he was saved" (2Pet2:20-22).

Thus DILIGENCE is required (2Pet1:10, 3:24 & 17; Heb6:11, 10:36; 2Jn1:7-9 etc).

Diligence to "buiild ourselves in our holy faith, praying in the Spirit, KEEP OURSELVES in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of Christ to eternal life". Jd21

Keeping ourselves in Jesus is NOT a work; it is ABIDING IN HIM. Jesus says, in Jn15: "Abide in Me, and I in you. ANyone who does NOT abide is cast off as a branch ...and is burned."