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The Constitution places all responsibility of securing our national borders on the Federal Government. The SC ruled against this by a margin of 5-to-4, saying "that Texas is not permitted to protect itself from illegal border crossers. None of the justices provided any explanation for their vote."

"BUT the way that the Fed. Gov. is choosing to secure the border appears to be a violation of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
 

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The Constitution places all responsibility of securing our national borders on the Federal Government. The SC ruled against this by a margin of 5-to-4, saying "that Texas is not permitted to protect itself from illegal border crossers. None of the justices provided any explanation for their vote."

"BUT the way that the Fed. Gov. is choosing to secure the border appears to be a violation of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
While I know conservatives love referring to what is happening at the border as an invasion, that's not what the Constitution means by that. This paper does a pretty good job of laying out what it does mean. Now I will admit it focuses on a different clause then the one you are, but I think it's probably safe to assume the founders didn't have different meanings in mind. https://www.texaspolicy.com/wp-cont...R-SST-CompactClause-JoshuaTrevino-paper5-.pdf
 
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The Constitution places all responsibility of securing our national borders on the Federal Government. The SC ruled against this by a margin of 5-to-4, saying "that Texas is not permitted to protect itself from illegal border crossers. None of the justices provided any explanation for their vote."

"BUT the way that the Fed. Gov. is choosing to secure the border appears to be a violation of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."

Honestly, if this doesn't stop I see Texas seceding from the union.

This places too much of a burden on that state. Without recourse this won't end well...
 
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Honestly, if this doesn't stop I see Texas seceding from the union.

This places too much of a burden on that state. Without recourse this won't end well...
In fact several states have had that very thing in mind over the past 5 years or so.
 
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The Constitution places all responsibility of securing our national borders on the Federal Government. The SC ruled against this by a margin of 5-to-4, saying "that Texas is not permitted to protect itself from illegal border crossers. None of the justices provided any explanation for their vote."

"BUT the way that the Fed. Gov. is choosing to secure the border appears to be a violation of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
"During World War I, Congress authorized states to create Home Guards as reserve forces aside from the American Expeditionary Forces in Europe. During WWII, the 1916 legislation was amended to allow state militaries to defend their own states. Now called State Guards, they were trained and equipped by the federal government but maintained their separation. It wasn't until 1956 that Congress allowed for the continual existence of these units outside of a wartime role. For a time, these SDFs existed only on paper. During the Reagan Administration, that changed. Reagans Department of Defense wanted SDFs in all states."​
"The last part of the legislation says an SDF cannot be drafted into the Armed Forces of the United States, but that same legislation says that an individual member can. This is to ensure the independence of the SDF from the state National Guard. While typically organized as Army units, the SDFs vary, with some akin to the Navy and Air Force."​
"In Texas, the SDF responds to local emergencies (like flash floods) that aren't declared disaster areas but need help anyway. They provide security augmentees for regular military forces and provide emergency medical training to National Guard units and other areas of the U.S. military."​



"The National Guard is a state-based military force that becomes part of the US military's reserve components of the US Army and the US Air Force when activated for federal missions.[1] It is a military reserve force composed of National Guard military members or units of each state and the territories of Guam, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia, for a total of 54 separate organizations. It is officially created under Congress's Article 1 Section 8 ability to "raise and support armies".[2] All members of the National Guard are also members of the organized militia of the United States as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 246. National Guard units are under the dual control of state governments and the federal government.[1]"​
...​
" Many states also maintain their own state defense forces. Although not federal entities like the National Guard of the United States, these forces are components of the state militias like the individual state National Guards.​
"These forces were created by Congress in 1917 as a result of the state National Guards' being deployed and were known as Home Guards. In 1940, with the onset of World War II and as a result of its federalizing the National Guard, Congress amended the National Defense Act of 1916, and authorized the states to maintain "military forces other than National Guard."[23] This law authorized the War Department to train and arm the new military forces that became known as State Guards. In 1950, with the outbreak of the Korean War and at the urging of the National Guard, Congress reauthorized the separate state military forces for a time period of two years. These state military forces were authorized military training at federal expense, and "arms, ammunition, clothing, and equipment," as deemed necessary by the Secretary of the Army.[24] In 1956, Congress finally revised the law and authorized "State defense forces" permanently under Title 32, Section 109, of the United States Code.[25]
 
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The Constitution places all responsibility of securing our national borders on the Federal Government. The SC ruled against this by a margin of 5-to-4, saying "that Texas is not permitted to protect itself from illegal border crossers. None of the justices provided any explanation for their vote."

"BUT the way that the Fed. Gov. is choosing to secure the border appears to be a violation of Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion;..."
I believe the devil uses semantics to deceive people. The devil's lies seek to undermine loving others as yourself. We can observe that many people are under lies, and they even lie to themselves. It's easy to deceive people simply by using terms that change the reality of the situation into what it is not. One needs only to promote a false premise which people will end up unconsciously accepting as true. For example, the descriptive term "secure" applied to the border actually means to "protect" the border as in protect it from foreign invasion, which does not apply to asylum seekers or refugees.

Another obvious lie we can observe over and over is Trump saying that without a border there's no country, as if the border between Mexico and the USA disappears because migrants can cross it. The fact of reality is that people have been crossing back and forth across that border since long before his grandfather ever immigrated here, and the country hasn't ceased to exist. This falsehood is so far removed from reality, it's delusional.

Recently, I've heard people complain that as a priority we should be protecting our own borders instead of helping Ukraine, as if asylum seekers and refugees are somehow comparable to tanks and soldiers destroying villages and whole cities. This falsehood actually creates a false equivalency between people who come here seeking to make a better life and foreign military forces literally coming to annihilate anyone who stands in their way.
 
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This falsehood actually creates a false equivalency between people who come here seeking help and foreign military forces literally coming to annihilate anyone who stands in their way

But is it really a falsehood to say this is a foreign invasion?

There have been over 8 million illegals come into this country since Biden took office.

To share, that's more people than the existing population sizes in 38 states of our union - and approximately the population of the state of Virginia. (More people than do live in Arizona).

So, in 3 years we have added a very large state. Without the infrastructure to support them.

Now let's compare with history. In the United States, prior to 1982, we only had approximately 3 million illegals ever, that were truly here illegally. (See 1986 Amnesty)

We have never accepted economic migrants as people eligible for asylum in this country.

So in 3 years we've nearly tripled the number who came illegally to the US in history prior to 1982.

That's an invasion by any metric. It doesn't matter if they don't have guns.

It's to the point if we don't stop them we won't have a country anymore. We'll be some 3rd world cesspool. You might be happy with that, but I'm not.
 
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"During World War I, Congress authorized states to create Home Guards as reserve forces aside from the American Expeditionary Forces in Europe. During WWII, the 1916 legislation was amended to allow state militaries to defend their own states. Now called State Guards, they were trained and equipped by the federal government but maintained their separation. It wasn't until 1956 that Congress allowed for the continual existence of these units outside of a wartime role. For a time, these SDFs existed only on paper. During the Reagan Administration, that changed. Reagans Department of Defense wanted SDFs in all states."​
"The last part of the legislation says an SDF cannot be drafted into the Armed Forces of the United States, but that same legislation says that an individual member can. This is to ensure the independence of the SDF from the state National Guard. While typically organized as Army units, the SDFs vary, with some akin to the Navy and Air Force."​
"In Texas, the SDF responds to local emergencies (like flash floods) that aren't declared disaster areas but need help anyway. They provide security augmentees for regular military forces and provide emergency medical training to National Guard units and other areas of the U.S. military."​



"The National Guard is a state-based military force that becomes part of the US military's reserve components of the US Army and the US Air Force when activated for federal missions.[1] It is a military reserve force composed of National Guard military members or units of each state and the territories of Guam, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia, for a total of 54 separate organizations. It is officially created under Congress's Article 1 Section 8 ability to "raise and support armies".[2] All members of the National Guard are also members of the organized militia of the United States as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 246. National Guard units are under the dual control of state governments and the federal government.[1]"​
...​
" Many states also maintain their own state defense forces. Although not federal entities like the National Guard of the United States, these forces are components of the state militias like the individual state National Guards.​
"These forces were created by Congress in 1917 as a result of the state National Guards' being deployed and were known as Home Guards. In 1940, with the onset of World War II and as a result of its federalizing the National Guard, Congress amended the National Defense Act of 1916, and authorized the states to maintain "military forces other than National Guard."[23] This law authorized the War Department to train and arm the new military forces that became known as State Guards. In 1950, with the outbreak of the Korean War and at the urging of the National Guard, Congress reauthorized the separate state military forces for a time period of two years. These state military forces were authorized military training at federal expense, and "arms, ammunition, clothing, and equipment," as deemed necessary by the Secretary of the Army.[24] In 1956, Congress finally revised the law and authorized "State defense forces" permanently under Title 32, Section 109, of the United States Code.[25]
The problem is, no administration has done what is being done now. There is nothing in the constitution to speak to this. Who would have thought someone and or a political party would do this? These illegals, are not seeking asylum, legally.
 
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But is it really a falsehood to say this is a foreign invasion?

There have been over 8 million illegals come into this country since Biden took office.

To share, that's more people than the existing population sizes in 40 states of our union - and approximately the population of the state of Virginia.

So, in 3 years we have added a very large state. Without the infrastructure to support them.

Now let's compare with history. In the United States, prior to 1982, we only had approximately 3 million illegals ever, that were truly here illegally.

We have never accepted economic migrants as people eligible for asylum in this country.

So in 3 years we've nearly tripled the number who came illegally to the US in history prior to 1982.

That's an invasion by any metric. It doesn't matter if they don't have guns.

It's to the point if we don't stop them we won't have a country anymore. We'll be some 3rd world cesspool. You might be happy with that, but I'm not.
You need to understand how people are being deceived. It's falsehood to deliberately conflate border "encounters" with people who have been released into the U.S.

Moreover, this is geopolitical. Read Aleksandr Dugin's political thesis on how to undermine western democracies.
 
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The problem is, no administration has done what is being done now. There is nothing in the constitution to speak to this. Who would have thought someone and or a political party would do this? These illegals, are not seeking asylum, legally.
In fact what is the whole point of having a legal immigration or asylum policy - if the "real practice" is little more than "Walk-over" where free benefits await all of planet earth that has an incentive to "walk over" for better job. After all the US has unlimtted funding, no need to vet anyone , unlimited free healthcare and education etc. Why not send as much of the planet in here as wishes to take advantage of that sort of thing.

Then every state can look like the streets of NY.

"Officials at homeless shelters in Los Angeles report that they have not seen a significant increase in recent migrants seeking temporary housing. Immigrant aid groups say they have been able to develop an efficient process to help the migrants who do arrive on the buses sent by Texas, usually a few dozen at a time.

"A major reason California has avoided a crisis is that the state no longer attracts as many migrants as it did decades ago when it was a top destination for people moving to the United States. Starting in the 1990s, the state’s high cost of living, coupled with a plethora of job opportunities in the Sun Belt and elsewhere in the country, led border crossers to seek other destinations."

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and "yet"

California’s homelessness crisis is the worst in the US. But who is struggling the most?​


"Experts say lack of affordable housing in state is the main cause, worsened by expiration of pandemic programs that added shelter

"California had the highest rate of people experiencing homelessness who were unsheltered

Unsheltered refers to people living outside in tents, cars or other makeshift shelters

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California's "citizens" appear to be the homeless group rather than a huge amount of illegal homeless.

All this an more can be yours with open boarders in every state. We just need the "will" and lack of foresight to get there.
 
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Yeah we have heard all about the border being closed. My lying eyes.
Respectfully, I don't understand to what you're referring. My posts are addressing the changing of the meanings of words to deceive people as shown here:

Hazelelponi said:
But is it really a falsehood to say this is a foreign invasion?

There have been over 8 million illegals come into this country since Biden took office.

Childeye 2 said: You need to understand how people are being deceived. It's falsehood to deliberately conflate border "encounters" with people who have been released into the U.S.

Please note I am on record informing the poster that the 8 million illegals the poster is referencing are actually border encounters, and NOT people who have been released into the United States.
 
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Respectfully, I don't understand to what you're referring. My post was addressing the changing of the meanings of words to promote falsehood as shown here:

Hazelelponi said:
But is it really a falsehood to say this is a foreign invasion?

There have been over 8 million illegals come into this country since Biden took office.

Childeye 2 said: You need to understand how people are being deceived. It's falsehood to deliberately conflate border "encounters" with people who have been released into the U.S.

Please note I am on record informing the poster that the 8 million illegals the poster is referencing are actually border encounters, and NOT people who have been released into the United States.
Encounters does not mean got aways, and millions have not entered this country.
 
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The problem is, no administration has done what is being done now. There is nothing in the constitution to speak to this. Who would have thought someone and or a political party would do this? These illegals, are not seeking asylum, legally.

I think the immigration backlog in our courts illustrates how desperate America is for competent leadership in congress. Congress is charged by voters with responsibilities such as reforming immigration laws to streamline the process. We have to demand reform from congress and stop allowing politicians to use the issue as political capital. Voters have a responsibility to elect leaders who are adept at working with others if citizens truly want to help our country. Presently we demand nothing from our representatives in DC, and we receive less than nothing from them. Undermining our own institutions actually adds to America's woes, it certainly doesn't help anyone but the power greedy politicians in office.

If American voters keep voting for politicians who aren't capable of working together and compromise, America will never find solutions to mitigate our problems. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.

 
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The problem is, no administration has done what is being done now. There is nothing in the constitution to speak to this. Who would have thought someone and or a political party would do this? These illegals, are not seeking asylum, legally.
The situation isn't much different then it has been for the last 10 years. It even existed as a problem under Trump, for all his anti-immigration rhetoric. And these people are seeking asylum legally according to current US law. All the law requires is that they be in the United States, not that they be authorized to be here or enter at an official port of entry.
 
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I think the immigration backlog in our courts illustrates how desperate America is for competent leadership in congress. Congress is charged by voters with responsibilities such as reforming immigration laws to streamline the process. We have to demand reform from congress and stop allowing politicians to use the issue as political capital. Voters have a responsibility to elect leaders who are adept at working with others if citizens truly want to help our country. Presently we demand nothing from our representatives in DC, and we receive less than nothing from them. Undermining our own institutions actually adds to America's woes, it certainly doesn't help anyone but the power greedy politicians in office.

If American voters keep voting for politicians who aren't capable of working together and compromise, America will never find solutions to mitigate our problems. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.

The flow can be stopped, and stop encouraging the flow. The issue has been used to strong arm for Ukraine.
 
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I think the immigration backlog in our courts illustrates how desperate America is for competent leadership in congress. Congress is charged by voters with responsibilities such as reforming immigration laws to streamline the process. We have to demand reform from congress and stop allowing politicians to use the issue as political capital. Voters have a responsibility to elect leaders who are adept at working with others if citizens truly want to help our country. Presently we demand nothing from our representatives in DC, and we receive less than nothing from them. Undermining our own institutions actually adds to America's woes, it certainly doesn't help anyone but the power greedy politicians in office.

If American voters keep voting for politicians who aren't capable of working together and compromise, America will never find solutions to mitigate our problems. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.


From the official website of the Migration Policy Institute, according to the ICE:

"In FY 2023, there were 6.2 million cases on ICE’s docket of nondetained migrants, up from 4.8 million in FY 2022. ICE monitors individuals on this docket through check-ins and the use of alternatives to detention (ATD) technology, such as restricted-use cellphones or ankle monitors. Yet ICE’s use of ATDs, after years of expansion, decreased by 39 percent in FY 2023, due in part to court orders and a lack of resources."

Link to Migration Policy Institute Website

^^^ 6.2 million illegals waiting for a court date to determine eligibility status, all freely roaming the US.

And more coming in daily.

The above doesn't represent the number of people wanting green cards after coming into the country legally. That number is shown here:

"The total green-card backlog reached 7.6 million in November, according to estimates from the Bipartisan Policy Center, due to processing delays as well as annual visa caps set by Congress. At USCIS, more than 9 million applications were waiting to be processed for a range of benefits when FY 2023 ended."

Same link.
 
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The flow can be stopped, and stop encouraging the flow. The issue has been used to strong arm for Ukraine.

The issue is used for much more than spending money in Ukraine. And it will continue to be used by politicians till voters demand more from them. We hold them accountable at the ballot box. I mean that is how voters are supposed to hold them accountable. We see the results clearly when voters do not hold these inept bureaucrats accountable. And citizens continue to suffer from our own decisions at the ballot box. The question seems to be is our tribalism more important than improving lives of Americans. Lately voters have prioritized tribalism above all, which politicians love. Tribalism minimizes our electoral power and we continue suffering from it.
 
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The issue is used for much more than spending money in Ukraine. And it will continue to be used by politicians till voters demand more from them. We hold them accountable at the ballot box. I mean that is how voters are supposed to hold them accountable.
I agree. Who is holding Biden responsible for his part? These huge bills that include the kitchen sink, that cannot even be read, before voting. This needs to stop.
We see the results clearly when voters do not hold these inept bureaucrats accountable. And citizens continue to suffer from our own decisions at the ballot box. The question seems to be is our tribalism more important than improving lives of Americans. Lately voters have prioritized tribalism above all, which politicians love. Tribalism minimizes our electoral power and we continue suffering from it.
One issue at a time. not bundled up is a place to start..
 
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