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Encounters does not mean got aways,
What's a got away? A border encounter is reported when a border patrol officer encounters an illegal immigrant at the border.
and millions have not entered this country.
Homeland security is reporting that roughly 2.5 million have been released into the country during the Biden administration. That does not account for those who have entered illegally and are unknown where they are. But the 8 million number are simply reported border encounters.
 
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What's a got away? A border encounter is reported when a border patrol officer encounters an illegal immigrant at the border.

Homeland security is reporting that roughly 2.5 million have been released into the country during the Biden administration. That does not account for those who have entered illegally and are unknown where they are. But the 8 million number are simply reported border encounters.
Those that got away (unknowns). Up to three or four sectors have been without anyone there due to overwhelming the border patrol for the numbers. This is by design of the drug cartels, to freely carry out trafficking
 
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I agree. Who is holding Biden responsible for his part? These huge bills that include the kitchen sink, that cannot even be read, before voting. This needs to stop.
I can't tell what you're referring to above. I assume you are aware that It's congress that funds government and also establishes the rules for the naturalization of immigrants? Certainly, Biden is not responsible for these waves of immigrants coming here anymore than Trump was before him or Obama was before Trump.
 
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I can't tell what you're referring to above. I assume you are aware that It's congress that funds government? Certainly, Biden is not responsible for these waves of immigrants coming here anymore than Trump was before him or Obama was before Trump.

We have cameras on the border: got-aways are the people who come in at the border in places where we don't have personnel to detain and process them in.

The cameras allow us to count some of those people, those who aren't even pretending to want asylum, they just want inside the country without anyone officially knowing.

They are illegal immigrants who have entered our nation without being stopped or tracked..

 
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Those that got away (unknowns). Up to three or four sectors have been without anyone there due to overwhelming the border patrol for the numbers. This is by design of the drug cartels, to freely carry out trafficking
I understand that the border is underfunded, but from where did you learn this "information" I have underscored above?
 
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We have cameras on the border: got-aways are the people who come in at the border in places where we don't have personnel to detain and process them in.

The cameras allow us to count some of those people, those who aren't even pretending to want asylum, they just want inside the country without anyone officially knowing.

They are illegal immigrants who have entered our nation without being stopped or tracked..

Hmmm. So, are you aware that these cameras serve to detect illegal border crossings and inform the border patrol where to apprehend these crossers? Because the border patrol reports that they apprehended more than two million of these illegal border crossers in the past year. Those that evaded the patrol "gotaway".
 
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I understand that the border is underfunded, but from where did you learn this "information" I have underscored above?
The border patrol in interviews on the news. I do not know how often this happens, or if it is a constant, but happened.
 
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Hmmm. So, are you aware that these cameras serve to detect illegal border crossings and inform the border patrol where to apprehend these so called "gotaways"? Because the border patrol reports that they apprehended more than two million of these illegal border crossers in the past year.

I am aware these cameras serve to detect illegals who don't use the crossing...

And I am also aware we cannot do anything to apprehend these people because there is not enough manpower on the border to actually protect our border.
 
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I can't tell what you're referring to above.
Remember Pelosi saying "you need to pass the bill to know what's in it"? How rediculous!!!
Omnimus bill
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"Because of their large size and scope, omnibus bills limit opportunities for debate and scrutiny. Historically, omnibus bills have sometimes been used to pass controversial amendments. For this reason, some consider omnibus bills to be anti-democratic.[1]"
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This needs to stop....
 
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I am aware these cameras serve to detect illegals who don't use the crossing...

And I am also aware we cannot do anything to apprehend these people because there is not enough manpower on the border to actually protect our border.
That's why the border needs more funding from congress.
 
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No, we already have to many here. Judges to continue the flow is not what is needed right now.

Immigration reform is needed. Mr Biden had legislation for such presented to congress soon after he assumed office. This is evidence that he is willing to negotiate with congress. Now we need politicians willing to work on immigration reform. Instead of rewarding incumbents for their lackadaisical performance with reelection. Congress continues to let America down, and we continue rewarding these politicians.
 
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Remember Pelosi saying "you need to pass the bill to know what's in it"? How rediculous!!!
Omnimus bill
From wiki
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"Because of their large size and scope, omnibus bills limit opportunities for debate and scrutiny. Historically, omnibus bills have sometimes been used to pass controversial amendments. For this reason, some consider omnibus bills to be anti-democratic.[1]"
End quote.
This needs to stop....
I remember Pelosi saying this:

“You’ve heard about the controversies, the process about the bill…but I don’t know if you’ve heard that it is legislation for the future – not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it – away from the fog of the controversy.

In context, Pelosi is saying that because there is so much disinformation (see death panels, loss of jobs, etc..) about the affordable care act, you'll only see the truth of what's actually in it until after it's passed.
 
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No, we already have to many here. Judges to continue the flow is not what is needed right now.
We were talking about this: "And I am also aware we cannot do anything to apprehend these people because there is not enough manpower on the border to actually protect our border".

But we must fund the whole process according to the requirements imposed by law. If there's a backup of cases and not enough detention facilities or manpower, then of course the system will be dysfunctional. That's common sense.
 
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Immigration reform is needed. Mr Biden had legislation for such presented to congress soon after he assumed office. This is evidence that he is willing to negotiate with congress. Now we need politicians willing to work on immigration reform. Instead of rewarding incumbents for their lackadaisical performance with reelection. Congress continues to let America down, and we continue rewarding these politicians.
He can stop the flow right now. He has always been able to stop this. Using this issue to include money for Ukraine is not right. To bundle it all together is a strong arm tactic, like the omnibus bills. Many are suffering due to forcing the other issues in with this.
 
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He can stop the flow right now. He has always been able to stop this. Using this issue to include money for Ukraine is not right. To bundle it all together is a strong arm tactic, like the omnibus bills. Many are suffering due to forcing the other issues in with this.
Considering nobody has stopped the flow, how do you figure that Biden can?
 
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Considering nobody has stopped the flow, how do you figure that Biden can?
He could reapply remain in Mexico. He undid immediately what Trump had in place. Texas on it's own is trying to protect it's state. They have sued Texas over this. He can, and he is hurting people until he get's what he want's.
 
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He could reapply remain in Mexico. He undid immediately what Trump had in place. Texas on it's own is trying to protect it's state. They have sued Texas over this. He can, and he is hurting people until he get's what he want's.
Respectfully, that's not an accurate depiction of the real events. Biden tried to end the policy in February 2021, for humanitarian reasons, but was sued by Texas and the policy was resumed six months later. The legal wrangling back and forth went on for years. But the bottom line is that despite the policy staying in place during these times, the flow never stopped. The numbers even show that it likely caused the increase in those who try to enter undetected.

Wikipedia remain in Mexico policy

In February 2021, the administration of President Joe Biden ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy, resuming admission of new asylum seekers and the approximately 25,000 with pending cases to the United States, and asking the U.S. Supreme Court to dismiss the appeal as moot.[24][25] On August 14, 2021, a federal judge in Texas ordered a resumption of the Trump-era border policy that required migrants to remain in Mexico until their US immigration court date.[26][27] The court ruled the reversal may have violated the Administrative Procedure Act, which prevents arbitrary regulations, because it did not consider various facts.[26] A stay to block reenforcement of the "Remain in Mexico" policy was denied by both the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court,[28][29] compelling the administration to reinstitute the policy.[30] In December, the administration announced they had agreed to requirements by Mexico for the resumption of returns, including COVID-19 vaccination, completion of cases within 180 days, and inquiries into fears of return to Mexico.[31]

After the completion of negotiations with the government of Mexico, the Biden administration announced the resumption of the practice on December 2, 2021, with some alterations.[31][32] On June 30, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Biden v. Texas that the Biden administration had the authority to end the policy.[33][34]

The wind-down allowed migrants into the United States only after their next court hearing, and only if they were not deported.[35] This resulted in thousands of people staying in Mexico for weeks or months after the program was officially ended, and many missed their court dates due to travel difficulties. One advocate called this delay "a little cruel", and the government was criticized for accepting over 21,000 refugees from the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine at the Mexican border during the same timeframe without this restriction.[35] On December 15, 2022, U.S. District Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk prevented the Biden administration from ending the program, ruling that it should stay in place while legal challenges play out, following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to return the case to the lower courts.[36] However, the judge did not order the policy reinstated.[37] In February 2023, Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced it rejects any efforts to reinstate the policy for asylum-seekers.[38]
 
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Respectfully, that's not an accurate depiction of the real events. Biden tried to end the policy in February 2021, for humanitarian reasons, but was sued by Texas and the policy was resumed six months later. The legal wrangling back and forth went on for years. But the bottom line is that despite the policy staying in place all that time, the flow never stopped. The numbers even show that it caused an increase in those who try to enter undetected.

Wikipedia remain in Mexico policy

In February 2021, the administration of President Joe Biden ended the "Remain in Mexico" policy, resuming admission of new asylum seekers and the approximately 25,000 with pending cases to the United States, and asking the U.S. Supreme Court to dismiss the appeal as moot.[24][25] On August 14, 2021, a federal judge in Texas ordered a resumption of the Trump-era border policy that required migrants to remain in Mexico until their US immigration court date.[26][27] The court ruled the reversal may have violated the Administrative Procedure Act, which prevents arbitrary regulations, because it did not consider various facts.[26] A stay to block reenforcement of the "Remain in Mexico" policy was denied by both the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the U.S. Supreme Court,[28][29] compelling the administration to reinstitute the policy.[30] In December, the administration announced they had agreed to requirements by Mexico for the resumption of returns, including COVID-19 vaccination, completion of cases within 180 days, and inquiries into fears of return to Mexico.[31]

After the completion of negotiations with the government of Mexico, the Biden administration announced the resumption of the practice on December 2, 2021, with some alterations.[31][32] On June 30, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Biden v. Texas that the Biden administration had the authority to end the policy.[33][34]

The wind-down allowed migrants into the United States only after their next court hearing, and only if they were not deported.[35] This resulted in thousands of people staying in Mexico for weeks or months after the program was officially ended, and many missed their court dates due to travel difficulties. One advocate called this delay "a little cruel", and the government was criticized for accepting over 21,000 refugees from the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine at the Mexican border during the same timeframe without this restriction.[35] On December 15, 2022, U.S. District Judge Matthew J. Kacsmaryk prevented the Biden administration from ending the program, ruling that it should stay in place while legal challenges play out, following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to return the case to the lower courts.[36] However, the judge did not order the policy reinstated.[37] In February 2023, Mexico's Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced it rejects any efforts to reinstate the policy for asylum-seekers.[38]
Remain in Mexico is dead. Biden will not redo the deal. He obviously wants them here.
 
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Remain in Mexico is dead. Biden will not redo the deal. He obviously wants them here.
The point is that the remain in Mexico policy didn't stop the flow of illegal immigrants across the border.
 
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