Science insulting the image of Jesus

[morse86]

Where do you get that from? What's wrong with long hair on men?

FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!

This is just so basic!!!!

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering

Do you understand why this is? At the head of the man is Jesus!

1 Corinthians 11:3:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

There are men in the bible that had long hair, that doesn't mean they did the right thing. For an example, David commited adultry, Samson commited fornication etc. Does that mean it's the right thing?!?!!?!???

 

[smaneck]

None of the gospels described him like that.

A lot of the resurrection appearances we find in Gnostic texts describe Jesus as a being of light. But of course, that has to relevance to what the historic Jesus of Nazareth would have looked like.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!

This is just so basic!!!!

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering

There are men in the bible that had long hair, that doesn't mean they did the right thing. For an example, David commited adultry, Samson commited fornication etc. Does that mean it's the right thing?!?!!?!???

Guess I'm not a Bible literalist then. I wear clothing of mixed fabric too. Is short hair on a woman also shameful then?

 

[smaneck]

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering

Roman men had short hair so it is not unusual that a Hellenized Jew like Paul would have felt that way, but a Palestinian Jew? Not likely.

There are men in the bible that had long hair, that doesn't mean they did the right thing. For an example, David commited adultry, Samson commited fornication etc. Does that mean it's the right thing?!?!!?!???

Perhaps you are forgetting that Samson didn't lose is power for fornicating, he lost his power when his hair was cut. And yes, according to the Bible keeping his hair long was right:

Numbers 6:

6 Then the Lord spoke to Moses: 2 “Speak to the Israelites, and tell them, ‘When either a man or a woman takes a special vow, to take a vow as a Nazirite, to separate himself to the Lord, 3 he must separate himself from wine and strong drink, he must drink neither vinegar made from wine nor vinegar made from strong drink, nor may he drink any juice of grapes, nor eat fresh grapes or raisins. 4 All the days of his separation he must not eat anything that is produced by the grapevine, from seed to skin.

5 “‘All the days of the vow of his separation no razor may be used on his head until the time is fulfilled for which he separated himself to the Lord. He will be holy, and he must let the locks of hair on his head grow long.

 

[smaneck]

Unfortunately, the Shroud was in a huge fire centuries ago. The fire actually melted some of the silver case in which it was contained. The melting silver also burned the Shroud, and it was repaired.

Evidence?

They did find pollen on the Shroud which was from plants that have been extinct for more than 1500 years and were only found in the region of Israel.

Which university conducted that test?

Also, the fact that the image is within the individual threads, and not on top of them, means that modern science can not reproduce the image. In other words, it isn't a painted medieval "relic".

It could have been woven that way. But the real question which people have asked you repeatedly and which you have failed to address is what is offensive about the other depiction?

 

[smaneck]

Here is a bikers depiction of Jesus Christ

I got this image off a motorcycle gas tank whose tank color was copper. Looked real cool! A lot better than what some nerdy and egotistical scientist could do!

Because it looks more European? What is your agenda for wanting Jesus to be white?

 

[smaneck]

Some are secular. Shlomo Sand has argued that Judaism for much of its rabbinic history was a proselytising religion and so modern Ashkenazi Jews hold no genetic relationship to anyone living in first century Palestine.

More recent DNA studies have indicated the opposite. Even Ashkenazi Jews share an astonishing amount of DNA with modern Palestinians indicated a common descent. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

Might not have to look to far for those lost tribes.

 

[smaneck]

Yes, knowledge can be bought... If your looking to attend nearby Virginia Tech university you are looking to pay roughly $40,000 a year just in tuition and fees. And in this day and time...

Only if you are out of state. Room, Board, Tuition and Fees for in state students runs about 20K a year. http://www.admiss.vt.edu/cost/

 

[smaneck]

The facts don't support forgery.
http://shroud2000.com/FastFacts.html

Your timeline starts in the fourteenth century just where the carbon dating puts it. Coincidence? Don't think so

 

[Hank77]

Forget that, let's compare the old Hebrew (a dead language for more than 2000 years) against the new Hebrew.

Just compare the differences in the english language in the last 100 years......imagine 2000 years (where NOBODY spoke it).

It's hilarious when someone says "Let's go back to the Hebrew" or "the Hebrew definition states...". NO. Let's use the word of God that has been passed down from generation to generation.....the King James Bible.

The LXX is way older than the King James Bible and was translated by the Jews themselves for their own Greek speaking Jewish people. There have been/are many scholars who were/are proficient in the Koine Greek.
If the Hebrew language has been dead for more than 2000 yrs. so that no one can interprete it how did the scholars of 1610, who interpreted it for the KJV do it? And what would make them more competent than scholars of the last 400 yrs.
Being authorized by Parliament does not mean authorized by God.

The translation was done by 47 scholars, all of whom were members of the Church of England.[7] In common with most other translations of the period, the New Testament was translated from Greek, the Old Testament was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic text, while the Apocrypha was translated from the Greek and Latin. In the Book of Common Prayer (1662), the text of the Authorized Version replaced the text of the Great Bible – for Epistle and Gospel readings (but not for the Psalter which has retained substantially Coverdale's Great Bible version) and as such was authorized by Act of Parliament.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

It is a SHAME for a man to have long hair!

Yup, can't have a man looking feminine or mistaken for a woman. Back then women's hair was longgg....ger.
So what was considered to be long for a man? I don't really know, Paul wasn't specific.

I remember when some Baptists churches said that men shouldn't wear beards. I heard a pastor say that Jesus didn't wear a beard. Really?? I figured if they had that messed up then they just might being letting their prejudices into other doctrines. And what about Spurgeon! Yike!

 

[Aelred of Rievaulx]

More recent DNA studies have indicated the opposite. Even Ashkenazi Jews share an astonishing amount of DNA with modern Palestinians indicated a common descent. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

Might not have to look to far for those lost tribes.

This is an even more recent study and it claims:

The results of all PC analyses (fig. 3,supplementary figs. S2 and S3, Supplementary Material online) show that over 70% of European Jews and almost all Eastern European Jews cluster with Georgian, Armenian, and Azerbaijani Jews within the Caucasus rim (fig. 3 and supplementary fig. S3, Supplementary Material online). Approximately 15% of Central European Jews cluster with Druze and the rest cluster with Cypriots. All European Jews cluster distinctly from the Middle Eastern cluster. Strong evidence for the Khazarian hypothesis is the clustering of European Jews with the populations that reside on opposite ends of ancient Khazaria: Armenians, Georgians, and Azerbaijani Jews

 

[smaneck]

It's hilarious when someone says "Let's go back to the Hebrew" or "the Hebrew definition states...". NO. Let's use the word of God that has been passed down from generation to generation.....the King James Bible.

Why KJV? It was only passed down for four hundred years, whereas the Vulgate was the word of God for over a millennium.

 

[tulc]

Seeing that Arabs and Orthodox Jews have not intermarried with Europeans very much over the last 2000 yrs, they probably don't look that different.
The small group of Samaritans in Israel have only married other Samaritans for thousands of years. They have only recently allowed intermarriage with Jews because they were so interbred their children had serious genetic birth defects. They have never interbred with Europeans.
Samaritans, who trace their roots back about 2,700 years, are best known for clinging to strict biblical traditions that have largely disappeared, including animal sacrifice, isolation of menstruating women and, until recently, a ban on marrying outsiders.
But after facing near-extinction and being devastated by a high rate of birth defects because of inbreeding, the community is using modern science — including genetic testing, in vitro fertilization and abortion — to preserve their traditional way of life.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/09/world/la-fg-israel-gene-testing-20121209

That would be valid if the only Jews living in Israel were descendants of those Jews. I suspect they aren't.
tulc(thought this was interesting: http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html )

 

[Cearbhall]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...-use-forensics-reveal-Christ-looked-like.html

Science thinks that the face of Jesus looks like this...

Whenever this has come up in conversation with Christians that I know, they've been thrilled that scientists have put time into projects related to Jesus' appearance, such as the Shroud. What's the issue?

 

[jayem]

I believe that the shroud of Turin is closest!

Is that Jesus? Or Sir Ian playing Gandalf?

 

[redleghunter]

God is white? Actually, maybe I should have seen that coming...

Read the passage again. It says His feet are like bronze. So not white.

 

[Cearbhall]

There are some people who insist that modern Jews aren't the Jews of Biblical times. (I know, some people are insane). They are usually members of groups like Christian Identity or other racist "Christian" groups.

Oh, yep. I've read the similar "There are white Jews today, so there probably were then!" argument. Oy vey...

Look at the Hollywood portrayal of Jesus....it's not the same Jesus from the bible! It is a SHAME for a man to have long hair!

Are we to assume that your area of study includes the cultural grooming norms of 1st c. Nazareth?

 

[William67]

FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!

This is just so basic!!!!

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering

Do you understand why this is? At the head of the man is Jesus!

1 Corinthians 11:3:
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

There are men in the bible that had long hair, that doesn't mean they did the right thing. For an example, David commited adultry, Samson commited fornication etc. Does that mean it's the right thing?!?!!?!???

Shoulder length hair on men wasn't uncommon in Biblical times. Women of the time almost never cut their hair. Some women's hair extended down to their feet and longer.

 

[redleghunter]

Ah...sunglasses required. Got it.

Nah they will melt on your face.

The darkness will not comprehend The Light.

 

[Cearbhall]

FROM THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!

This is just so basic!!!!

1 Corinthians 11:14:
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering

Morse, the Epistle to the Corinthians was written after Jesus died. He therefore would not have cut his hair accordingly.

Awkward.