Science Deniers Try to Take Over a Sarasota Public Hospital

[probinson]

The article fails to support the title of this thread.

Didn't you know? Unless you view the COVID vaccines as a unilateral, required, magical elixir that is the first medical intervention in history without a single downside, then you are a "science denier". At least around here.

 

[SimplyMe]

A recent study by Cleveland Clinic found that “The risk of COVID-19 also varied by the number of COVID-19 vaccine doses previously received. The higher the number of vaccines previously received, the higher the risk of contracting COVID-19”

Did you catch that? The study found that more doses of vaccine corrleates with a higher risk of contracting COVID-19. Perhaps repeated boosters without long-term data wasn’t the greatest idea after all.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0G1KRMjsLO99eACIQp-QQmGxhfF_5-PgcQwP0adr97AfeA-qGJafLvUhc

The study concludes, "We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed."

Contrary to shortsighted and foolish statements, this is not an "anti-vax" position. It's a genuinely concerning conclusion from the study. As I've been sayin on this forum for well over a year now, the neanderthal-like approach to COVID vaccination of "VACCINE GOOD! MORE BETTER!" has always been remarkably foolish.

A recent WSJ article wonders aloud if it's possible that vaccines are "fueling new COVID variants".

Opinion | Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.

www.wsj.com

We're just beginning to see the results of those arrogant public health "experts" that have relentlessly and indiscriminately pushed COVID vaccines. The advisement to approach a brand new vaccine with a never-before utilized mechanism in human beings with caution and nuance was NEVER "anti-science". That was simply a pejorative introduced to silence those who dared question the approved narrative.

I think the most important point that can be made is right at the top, "The copyright holder for this preprint (which was not certified by peer review) is the author/funder." Since the study appears to be trying to use the reputation of the Cleveland Clinic, the fact it was not submitted for peer review, and looks like it will not be published in any journal that requires peer review, is a huge red flag.

Having said that, a quick review of the study makes me understand why they didn't get the study peer reviewed. First, this was a study based on employment records; they had no access to interview or get additional information from the "participants." Next, there are assumptions made about the "data." For example, they assumed that people who got multiple doses of the vaccine were being "more careful," that those who got multiple doses were those that had a larger fear of the disease and took it more seriously. This isn't something known, or that could be known, particularly without interviews. Instead, it could be that many of those that got multiple boosters felt "safer" (and did it to feel safer) so actually were less careful, since they believed they were protected and didn't need to worry as much about catching the virus.

Next, they appear to make some conclusions based on the Omicron variant (which apparently was the dominant variant during the time the study covered). To some degree, they seem to be postulating that since the vaccines weren't made to protect against Omicron, that is one reason why the vaccine failed (particularly against those who may have not been boosted but had the Omicron variant previously). It would appear that one reason for this conclusion was that the Bivalent boosters did appear to be more effective in preventing COVID, even compared to those that had COVID previously.

My last note, the study appears to be very limited in scope, for example, the vast majority in the study were between 20-40 in a limited geographic care (all participants work at the hospital), nor did they appear to make any attempt to measure the severity of COVID infections -- merely whether a person was infected or not. We know much of the claim of vaccines is that, while they don't always prevent infection, the claim is that they lead to less severe infections with fewer deaths. It has some interesting information but it does not appear we can draw too many conclusions from this study -- though it would be interesting to have a more robust study, particularly one that can be submitted for peer review.

 

[Fantine]

Conservatives skeptical of covid vaccines battle to lead a hospital (yahoo.com)

Some of the views of the four "conservative Christian patriots" who are trying to take over the board of the Sarasota Hospital--up until now ranked as the sixth best in Florida.

. On Facebook, Chirillo, the retired doctor, has downplayed the ongoing spread of the monkeypox virus, mocked the effectiveness of vaccines, and questioned whether the term "assault weapon" should be used to describe such weapons.

Rohe, a former New York City police officer who also previously worked in the financial services industry, also expressed controversial views about the coronavirus vaccine.

"Calling it a vaccination is a joke," Rohe said. "All it really is is a government-mandated shot to inoculate people to the fact that the government owns your body, and you do not."

If this hospital fell into the hands of these renegades, would they even qualify for accreditation? Would insurers pay for patients' stays there? Would they decline to provide some services they are legally, as a public hospital, required to provide?

Monkey pox is real, albeit less contagious than our current pandemic.
The COVID vaccine is not government's attempt to "own your body."
An assault weapon by any other name is still a weapon that should not be available to private citizens.

 

[Saucy]

Monkeypox is another plague that targets mainly homosexuals. Vaccines should never be mandatory. And for the final time, there's no such thing as an "assault rifle."

Also, we should add to your list that abortion is murder.

 

[disciple Clint]

Conservatives skeptical of covid vaccines battle to lead a hospital (yahoo.com)

Some of the views of the four "conservative Christian patriots" who are trying to take over the board of the Sarasota Hospital--up until now ranked as the sixth best in Florida.



If this hospital fell into the hands of these renegades, would they even qualify for accreditation? Would insurers pay for patients' stays there? Would they decline to provide some services they are legally, as a public hospital, required to provide?

Monkey pox is real, albeit less contagious than our current pandemic.
The COVID vaccine is not government's attempt to "own your body."
An assault weapon by any other name is still a weapon that should not be available to private citizens.

The article fails to support the title of this thread.

 

[rambot]

Honestly, the basic problem with all of these positions is that they require ABSOLUTELY NO demonstration of knowledge of what you are leading.
Don't put a scientist in charge of the FDA or EPA. Don't put a doctor, or anyone with deep medical training and medical knowledge in charge of a hospital. But a [whisp of air and breathy voice] "business man", well they know enough about everything because they can run a business. And if there's one thing I know about running a business, it's that, if you've ran one business, you've run them all. Who cares if you don't have the first clue of what C++ means, that doesn't mean you should not be CEO of google!
You....are a BUSINESS MAN, you are held in the highest esteem.

 

[Fantine]

Also, we should add to your list that abortion is murder.

I am sure the self described conservative Christian patriots would agree with you.
I am also concerned that women who miscarry might be given a hard time in such a hospital by personnel directed to look for signs of a self-induced miscarriage even when none exist.
If, for example, an addict miscarried, would she be deemed to he guilty of child neglect? Sadly, an addict can't just turn off an addiction on command. In a hospital run by zealots, a pregnant woman who jogged or didn't seek medical attention quickly enough *(although uninsured) could be a target. I am repeating actual concerns of younger women, not spinning my wheels.

 

[rambot]

Also, we should add to your list that abortion is murder.

But what if not providing an abortion is murder.

 

[essentialsaltes]

"All 4 of us are devoted Christians, conservatives and patriots

Are any of you knowledgeable about hospital administration? Because that's what the position entails.

 

[durangodawood]

Are any of you knowledgeable about hospital administration? Because that's what the position entails.

The Bible teaches us all we need about running a hospital.

 

[Larniavc]

Monkeypox is another plague that targets mainly homosexuals.

It targets the promiscuous. The more partners you have the greater chance you have to catch. How much do you think it ‘plagues’ lesbians?

 

[Fantine]

The Bible teaches us all we need about running a hospital.

I am sure medical ethicists use the Bible and other theological and philosophical works in their training and decision making, but the business and medical personnel need extensive education in their 21st century disciplines.

 

[NxNW]

Monkeypox is another plague that targets mainly homosexuals. Vaccines should never be mandatory. And for the final time, there's no such thing as an "assault rifle."

Also, we should add to your list that abortion is murder.

Everything you've said here is false.

 

[Estrid]

Didn't you know? Unless you view the COVID vaccines as a unilateral, required, magical elixir that is the first medical intervention in history without a single downside, then you are a "science denier". At least around here.

Nonsense

 

[Hank77]

Monkeypox is another plague that targets mainly homosexuals.

Targets? How does it do that?

 

[Estrid]

Targets? How does it do that?

As a rule, the more someone denounces sin & corruption, the more
you know it's about their own issues.

 

[Blade]

What Fantine left out is no where does this say "Science Deniers Try to Take Over a Sarasota Public Hospital".

What was written "Conservatives skeptical of covid vaccines battle to lead a hospital". Its what Tim wrote from WP.

Why add this to something Tim never said nor Rohe. If its not true what is it then?

 

[Fantine]

If they want to take over the board they will have final control over every major decision, personnel included.

When Rohe said vaccine mandates were government's attempt to own your body that was conspiracy theory, not science.

The definition if assault is "a physical attack." Is the weapon for target practice? Hunting? No. Its purpose is physical attack. Almost every major school shooting was committed with an AR-15.
Is he trying to pretend people own them to march in parades?

 

[Belk]

What Fantine left out is no where does this say "Science Deniers Try to Take Over a Sarasota Public Hospital".

What was written "Conservatives skeptical of covid vaccines battle to lead a hospital". Its what Tim wrote from WP.

Why add this to something Tim never said nor Rohe. If its not true what is it then?

In other words, science deniers. Or do you believe all the studies on the efficacy of the vaccine are not science?

 

[Pommer]

What Fantine left out is no where does this say "Science Deniers Try to Take Over a Sarasota Public Hospital".

What was written "Conservatives skeptical of covid vaccines battle to lead a hospital". Its what Tim wrote from WP.

Why add this to something Tim never said nor Rohe. If its not true what is it then?

Artistic license, I think would apply here.
In order to “steer” a discussion, a reinterpretation of the facts can set the “mood”.

"Calling it a vaccination is a joke," Rohe said. "All it really is is a government-mandated shot to inoculate people to the fact that the government owns your body, and you do not."

I will have to check this person out but dollars-to-doughnuts, they’re “prolife”.