Savior of the World, or Eternal Failure?

[nolidad]

Perhaps you missed the declaration Noli. The alert went out, how did you miss it?

From Him ta pavnte, through Him ta pavnte, for Him ta pavnte.

And which verse is this from the FL extraliteral translation?

But I do agree that He is everything to THE all! which is the all of the select group! Those who call on HIm for salvation in this life.

Now show th elost can do it in the next life apart form the FL etraliteral translation and we can seriously talk.

 

[nolidad]

Yup: every day our God continues to lose those for whom He is the at-one-ment?

Wake up silly!

The polus made sinners are the identical polus made righteous.

Every last broken and bruised sinner!

Nope! Not according ot Gods Word! Maybe FL's Word but definitely not Gods Word as written.

 

[1213]

So, is Jesus the Potential Savior of the World? Or the Savior of the World?

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

Yes, as that says, Jesus is the savior. I don’t think it means all will have eternal life, but all have the possibility to be saved.

 

[ClementofA]

There have been no, zero, none refutations of my list of verses.

It's your conclusions from verses that have been refuted.

How would you know when you claim you don't even read all my replies. Many of them you've never responded to.

You claim that the verses I posted do not define.

I claim that you've provided no proof. And shown you why your alleged proofs are flawed & fail to prove what you think, namely that they define aion/ios & olam as "eternal". They don't. You've never even provided a single verse "proving" that your claim is 100% true.

An adjective is a word that describes a noun. There are two kinds: attributive and predicative.
An adjective is used attributively when it stands next to a noun and describes it.
English 101. English Grammar 101: All You Need to Know​

Provide some English language examples that prove a word is defined as another word in the same sentence. Then, if you can, find a verse in Scripture that does exactly the same. That will put your theory re defining aion/ios & olam to the touchstone or test.


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Why does it concern you and other UR-ites that other Christians do not believe in UR? UR-ites are at this forum constantly posting their views, why don't they go off and talk to each other?

They already talk to each other here. But you didn't answer my question that i asked first: Why do you care if people change their views from endless tortures to UR or annihilation? Or is it that you can't answer because it would violate forum rules, e.g. you think URists are damned to ECT? That would explain your silence. It seems the forum accepts the view that those who believe in Christ can also believe in annihilation or UR.

.....Greek is now, and has always been, the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who, better than the native Greek speaking scholars who translated the Eastern Orthodox Bible [EOB], knows the correct meaning of Greek words, e.g. “Gehenna,””aionios” and “kolasis?”
…..In the EOB, pg. 180 there is this footnote.

Why? Are they your Popes of all Greek scholars? If so, what makes you think they are any better than the rest? Can you name them, even one? Are they superior to Danker of BDAG? I've already shown a number of flaws with that work. Of what theological bias are the scholars behind the EOB Bible? Eternal torments? Of what theologial bias is the Eastern Greek Orthodox church? Are their scholars superior to the Early Church father universalists who were much closer to the time of Christ & the apostles? Who did not accept the Dark Ages - Torturing Inquisitionists view of "eternal" punishment when people had to submit to authorities like "Rome" or else & most were illiterate & without Bibles to read, even if they could obtain one that wasn't mistranslated.

.In the EOB, pg. 180 there is this footnote.

Hades is the realm of the dead. The upper part of hades was considered to be luminous and it was called “paradise” or "Abraham's bosom.” Hades is not to be confused with hell (Gehenna) which is the final place of state or place of the damned (“the lake of’ fire”).

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What does that quote re Hades have to do with the subject of this post: aion/ios? And do you think the EOB is correct in your quote from it above?

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In the EOB Paul uses “αιονιον/aionon,” in 1 Tim 1:17 synonymous with “αιδιος/aidios” in Rom 1:20, see below.

According to this source the word is αἰῶνας/aionas, not αιονιον/aionon as you say:

1 Timothy 1:17 Greek Text Analysis

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In the EOB Paul uses “αιονιον/aionon,” in 1 Tim 1:17 synonymous with “αιδιος/aidios” in Rom 1:20, see below.

So? A number of other Bibles (e.g. @ the url below) translated it more honestly & accurately as "of the ages" instead of "eternal". The word aion is in the plural form there. So if you like the translation "eternal" then you should make it plural as in "eternals" or "eternities". Then it would speak of the "King of the eternals" or "King of the eternities" ;

1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, and invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

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Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
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1 Timothy 1:17 Now, to the eternal [των αιωνων/tōn aiōnōn] King. immortal. invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory unto ages of ages. Amen.​

In 1 Tim 1:17 Paul not only uses "aionon" synonymous with "aidios," in Rom 1:20, but also defines it by pairing it with "immortal" in the same verse.

"The king of the underworld is immortal, cute, a killer, etc". To use your type of faulty reasoning/logic, since "immortal" is paired with "cute", cute must logically be defined as eternal. Wrong. And the king must be eternally cute. Wrong. And because immortal is paired with killer, the king must be eternally killing for all eternity. Wrong. And killer must be defined as eternal. Wrong.

In a post you committed the same error, saying: "Here Origen defines "aionios" as "eternal" by pairing it with "immortality." ". Same idea as my example above with the king of the underworld. Faulty logic. Faulty reasoning. Hence an unproven, unwarranted assumption.


Examples of aionios as a finite duration in Koine Greek:

Two Questions
Does aionios always mean eternal in ancient Koine Greek? (paradise, Gospel, hell) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

If Jesus wished to express endless punishment, then He would have used expressions such as "endless", "no end" & "never be saved" as per:

How Scripture expresses endless duration (not aion/ios) (paradise, hell, punishment) - Christianity -  - City-Data Forum

Jesus didn't use the best words & expressions to describe endlessness in regards to punishment, because He didn't believe in endless punishment.

ENDLESSNESS not applied to eschatological PUNISHMENT in Scripture:

could an 'eternal punishment' simply mean that once instituted it will not change?

12 points re forever and ever (literally to/into "the ages of the ages") being finite:

For the Lord will NOT cast off FOR EVER:

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[Der Alte]

The word punishment is from the Greek KOLASIS which means simply that - punishment. But it comes from the root KOLAZO which reveals the true nature of the punishment. KOLAZO according to Strong's Concordance, means "to curtail" or "to chastise". The word means "a pruning" according to Liddell and Scott's Greek English Lexicon. it is so used all through the Greek language. That punishment of which the Christ spoke was the very thing that helped me to see the glorious HOPE for all who are unbelievers or rebellious against God - because the word punishment there means chastisement or pruning. I saw in a moment that it was not the destruction of the man; it was the correcting of the man. it was not the destruction of the tree; it was the cutting back, and the pruning, that it might bring forth fruit. Some rightly reason that KOLASIS cannot mean corrective punishment or pruning if it is everlasting. But everlasting is itself wrong - who ever heard of EVERLASTING CORRECTION! It is age-lasting punishment, age-abiding correction, age-during pruning...

No matter how many times this nonsense is posted it is easily refuted.
κολασιν/kolasin the word correctly translated “punishment” in Matt 25:46 occurs one other time in the NT in 1 Jn 4:18.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. [κολασιν/kolasin] He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

There is no correction, those who have “kolasin” are not made perfect.
The language of the Greek Eastern Orthodox church has always been Greek. Who better to know the correct translation of e.g. .κολασιν/kolasin” and αιωνιον/aionion” than the native Greek speaking translators of the EOB

THE EASTERN / GREEK ORTHODOX BIBI.E EOB) — NEW TESTAMENT 96

Matthew 25:46 Then he will answer them. saying ‘Amen. I tell you: a much as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' “These [[ones on the left]] will go away into eternal punishment.[κολασιν αιωνιον/kolasin aionion] but the righteous into eternal 1ife.
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Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world, his invisible things are clearly seen. They perceived through created things, even his everlasting [τε αιδιος/te aidios] power and divinity.
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1 Timothy 1:17 Now, to the eternal [των αιωνων/ton aionon] King. immortal. invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory unto ages of ages. Amen. ​

Not only does Paul, in 1 Tim 1:17, use “aionion” synonymous with “aidios,” in Rom 1:20,
Paul also literally defines “aionon” in 1 Tim 1:17. Some might argue that “aionon king” means “king of the age” but in this verse “aionion” is paired with “immortal.” An indefinite “age” would not be “immortal.” Thus Paul has literally defined “aionion” as “eternal.”
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κόλασις, εως, ἡ (s. prec. three entries; ‘punishment, chastisement’ so Hippocr.+; Diod S 1, 77, 9; 4, 44, 3; Aelian, VH 7, 15; SIG2 680, 13; LXX; TestAbr, Test12Patr, ApcEsdr, ApcSed; AscIs 3:13; Philo, Leg. ad Gai. 7, Mos. 1, 96; Jos., Ant. 17, 164; SibOr 5, 388; Ar. [Milne 76, 43]; Just.)
① infliction of suffering or pain in chastisement, punishment so lit. κ. ὑπομένειν undergo punishment Ox 840, 6; δειναὶ κ. (4 Macc 8:9) MPol 2:4; ἡ ἐπίμονος κ. long-continued torture ibid. Of the martyrdom of Jesus (Orig., C. Cels. 1, 48, 95; 8, 43, 12) PtK 4 p. 15, 34. The smelling of the odor arising fr. sacrifices by polytheists ironically described as punishment, injury (s. κολάζω) Dg 2:9.
② transcendent retribution, punishment (ApcSed 4:1 κόλασις καὶ πῦρ ἐστιν ἡ παίδευσίς σου.—Diod S 3, 61, 5; 16, 61, 1; Epict. 3, 11, 1; Dio Chrys. 80 [30], 12; 2 Macc 4:38 al. in LXX; Philo, Spec. Leg. 1, 55; 2, 196; Jos., Ant. 1, 60 al.; Just.; Did., Gen., 115, 28; 158, 10) ApcPt 17:32; w. αἰκισμός 1 Cl 11:1. Of eternal punishment (w. θάνατος) Dg 9:2 (Diod S 8, 15, 1 κ. ἀθάνατος). Of hell: τόπος κολάσεως ApcPt 6:21 (Simplicius in Epict. p. 13, 1 εἰς ἐκεῖνον τὸν τόπον αἱ κολάσεως δεόμεναι ψυχαὶ καταπέμπονται); ἐν τῇ κ. ἐκείνῃ 10:25; ibid. ἐφορῶσαι τὴν κ. ἐκείνων (cp. ApcEsdr 5:10 p. 30, 2 Tdf. ἐν τῇ κ.). ἐκ τῆς κ. ApcPt Rainer (cp. ἐκ τὴν κ. ApcSed 8:12a; εἰς τὴν κ. 12b and TestAbr B 11 p. 116, 10 [Stone p. 80]). ἀπέρχεσθαι εἰς κ. αἰώνιον go away into eternal punishment Mt 25:46 (οἱ τῆς κ. ἄξιοι ἀπελεύσονται εἰς αὐτήν Iren. 2, 33, 5 [Harv. I 380, 8]; κ. αἰώνιον as TestAbr A 11 p. 90, 7f [Stone p. 28]; TestReub 5:5; TestGad 7:5; Just., A I, 8, 4; D. 117, 3; Celsus 8, 48; pl. Theoph. Ant. 1, 14 [p. 90, 13]). ῥύεσθαι ἐκ τῆς αἰωνίου κ. rescue fr. eternal punishment 2 Cl 6:7. τὴν αἰώνιον κ. ἐξαγοράζεσθαι buy one’s freedom fr. eternal pun. MPol 2:3 v.l. κακαὶ κ. τοῦ διαβόλου IRo 5:3. κ. τινος punishment for someth. (Ezk 14:3, 7; 18:30; Philo, Fuga 65 ἁμαρτημάτων κ.) ἔχειν κόλασίν τινα τῆς πονηρίας αὐτοῦ Hs 9, 18, 1. ἀναπαύστως ἕξουσιν τὴν κ. they will suffer unending punishment ApcPt Bodl. 9–12. ὁ φόβος κόλασιν ἔχει fear has to do with punishment 1J 4:18 (cp. Philo, In Flacc. 96 φόβος κολάσεως).—M-M. TW.
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., Bauer, W., & Gingrich, F. W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature (3rd ed., p. 555). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.

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[FineLinen]

Not only do you love twisitng peoples Words, but now with your bold emphasis you have twisted God's Word to fir your agenda! That is a shame!

Pay attention Noli!

The declaration of every dimension EN/IN Christ Jesus is before us. The worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections, but IN the Name of all names. It is NOT "at" the sound of His mighty Name!

 

[ClementofA]

But Hebrews 6 shows there is a situation where it is impossible to restore one to repentance. HHMM?

Heb 6
impossible to renew unto repentance (Heb.6:3-6)

 

[nolidad]

Judgement, not hopelessness. Judgement, not no more chances for salvation. Judgement, not Love Omnipotent's love has expired like a carton of milk. Judgement, not the hand of the Almighty is impotent to save.

"Anyone who knows anything about the Greek of the New Testament (and elsewhere) knows that extraneous articles are used all the time, and that very frequently it’s not at all meaningful. (The converse holds true, too; and it’s the reason why you don’t see John 1:1c translated as “The Word was a god.”)"

"Then in the second part of the verse they *add* a definite article, ‘the’ in front of the word ‘judgement’. Why is this done? It isn’t hard to imagine that it is done to scare people into submission by convincing them it must be done before they die and it is too late."

"Looking at the most popular English translations, only KJV has “the judgment,” whereas NRSV, NIV, ESV, NASB, NET et al. don’t."

True but it is the form of judgment that is omportant anyhow! It is Krisis.

Now just show a verse that declares in the after life those who have been damned (krisis) have a chance to repent.
I see 2 Thess 2:10 which says you are wrong!

Also the last chapter of the last book of SCripture:

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

No passage that says these dogs and sorcerers etc. can amend their ways and enter the new Jerusalem! If there was you all would have showed it by now!

 

[ClementofA]

You should read past basic dictionaries and lexicons but learn etymology of words. Yes kolasis in its origin was a pruning (cutting off and destroying (See JOhn 15) but grew in time to mean punishment because it means a lopping off originally. No correction but destrution of the pruned material.

KOLASIS:
Are You of Israel?

 

[nolidad]

Pay attention Noli!

The declaration of every dimension EN/IN Christ Jesus is before us. The worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections, but IN the Name of all names. It is NOT "at" the sound of His mighty Name!

Says you , but not Gods Word!

 

[FineLinen]

Nope! Not according ot Gods Word! Maybe FL's Word but definitely not Gods Word as written.

Please tell me they did not graduate you (lol).

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:18 - New International Version

 

[nolidad]

Heb 6
impossible to renew unto repentance (Heb.6:3-6)

I have already read your treatises on kolasis. It can mean for correction, but as it appears only 2 times in SCripture (NT) it is equated with bosanimos or torture!

Using Plato and origen and secular authors to define SCripture is poor. Origen repented of His UR.

Word study on kolasis, punish
by Matt Slick
10/11/2018
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The Greek word κόλασις, kolasis occurs two times in the New Testament. It has a generic meaning of punishment. However, the exact nature of that punishment whether it be nonexistence or continued existence is not explicitly stated in the two verses in which it appearst. Of course, in the context of annihilationism, Matthew 25:46 is one of the key verses under dispute. Is the eternal punishment nonexistence or is it conscious punishment? That is the question. We have to look elsewhere to support or refute annihilationism. The question is what is the nature of that punishment and how does God use the term in reference to people.

• Greek word: κόλασις, kolasis
• Meaning: to punish
• Strong's #: G2851
• Frequency: 2 occurrences

Summary of the meaning of the Greek word kolasis, punish, in all verses where it occurs in the New Testament.

• Punish, 2 occurrences
  • Matt. 25:46; 1 John 4:18

TABLE OF ALL NEW TESTAMENT USEAGES OF KOLASIS, κόλασις
Address Verse Meaning
Matt. 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Punishment
1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love." Punishmen

 

[nolidad]

Please tell me they did not graduate you (lol).

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 5:18 - New International Version

Not only graduate bible college- but have taught bible college for many years!

And you conveniently toss out all the verses that say they must trust in Christ to recieve the free gift of righteousness.

And you have still earned an F in displaying one verse of Scripture (other than the FL extraliteral translation) that shows people can repent in the afterlife! All your word play and bouncing in and out of Greek hasn't excused you from this!

 

[nolidad]

Heb 6
impossible to renew unto repentance (Heb.6:3-6)

Well I know what they cannot repent of- You still need to show a clear verse that says that in the afterlife- people can have the opportunity to repent.

I fully agree that with God all things are possible (excedpt for HIm to defy His own character). But that is not a blanket ticket to say that God will do all things. If one wishes to be considered a serious student of Scripture (Gods Word given to us for doctrine) we must look at all the pertinent passages concerning a particular topic and then see , that while nothing is impossible with gods, will He do the impossible in a particular instance!

 

[FineLinen]

Not only graduate bible college- but have taught bible college for many years!

It is worse than I imagined. It is worser than my pea brain can conceive, much much worser!

 

[ClementofA]

True but it is the form of judgment that is omportant anyhow! It is Krisis.

That's an odd remark after your view was exposed as being so severely flawed & erroneous. Moreover you didn't even state how it is "omportant" (sic). You do realize that the judgement (Heb.9:27) applies to all men, even believers? As I posted:

Judgement, not hopelessness. Judgement, not no more chances for salvation. Judgement, not Love Omnipotent's love has expired like a carton of milk. Judgement, not the hand of the Almighty is impotent to save.

"Anyone who knows anything about the Greek of the New Testament (and elsewhere) knows that extraneous articles are used all the time, and that very frequently it’s not at all meaningful. (The converse holds true, too; and it’s the reason why you don’t see John 1:1c translated as “The Word was a god.”)"

"Then in the second part of the verse they *add* a definite article, ‘the’ in front of the word ‘judgement’. Why is this done? It isn’t hard to imagine that it is done to scare people into submission by convincing them it must be done before they die and it is too late."

"Looking at the most popular English translations, only KJV has “the judgment,” whereas NRSV, NIV, ESV, NASB, NET et al. don’t."

Now just show a verse that declares in the after life those who have been damned (krisis) have a chance to repent.

Why would you see them again when you've already rejected them. All the passages supporting universalism imply that. Unless you think people can be saved without repenting.

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I see 2 Thess 2:10 which says you are wrong!

10and in all deceitfulness of the unrighteousness in those perishing, because the love of the truth they did not receive for their being saved, 11and because of this shall God
send to them a working of delusion, for their believing the lie, 12that they may be judged — all who did not believe the truth, but were well pleased in the unrighteousness. (YLT)

Perishing is the same word used of the "lost" prodigal son who was saved. So that a person perishes does not mean they are lost forever or cannot be saved later.

The passage refers to the future when Christ returns. The lost will not be saved...at that time. No reference is made in 2 Thess 2 to how long they will be punished, if such is
corrective or purely sadistic, or final destiny.

So 2 Thess.2:10 fails as an alleged "proof text" against universalism. What you need to disprove universalism is a verse saying anyone will "never be saved" or suffer "endless
punishment", etc. Since such does not exist, there is no Scriptural refutation of universalism.

Jesus didn't use the best words & expressions to describe endlessness in regards to punishment, because He didn't believe in endless punishment:

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None of the verses that anyone has posted refute universalism. They have all been addressed.

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[nolidad]

KOLASIS:
Are You of Israel?

Just so you can know and learn. If God wanted to make it clear that the place of torments (hell) and the lake of fire were corrective in nature He would have inpsired the word that is absolutely clear abou t it!

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

παιδεύω
Transliteration
paideuo παῖς (G3816)
Greek Inflections of παιδεύω ἐπαιδεύθη — 1x
ἐπαίδευον — 1x

παιδεύει — 2x
παιδευθῶσιν — 1x
παιδευόμεθα — 1x
παιδευόμενοι — 1x
παιδεύοντα — 1x
παιδεύουσα — 1x
παιδεύσας — 2x
παιδεύω — 1x
πεπαιδευμένος — 1x
Dictionary Aids
Vine's Expository Dictionary: chasten (6x), chastise (2x), learn (2x), teach (2x), instruct (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. to train children
   
   1. to be instructed or taught or learn
      
      
   2. to cause one to learn
      
2. to chastise
   
   1. to chastise or castigate with words, to correct
      
      1. of those who are moulding the character of others by reproof and admonition
         
   2. of God
      
      1. to chasten by the affliction of evils and calamities
         
   3. to chastise with blows, to scourge
      
      1. of a father punishing his son
         
         
      2. of a judge ordering one to be scourged
         

 

[agapelove]

And all you UR'ers have to do is show form scripture that the aionios kolasis is temporary and then why the aionions zoes is not !

I think the debate on the term "aionios" is exhausted, wouldn't you agree?

If we let scripture interpret scripture, you would have to be blind to not see that "aionios" does not literally mean FOREVER. Many sources and scholars have decided that aion more correctly translates to "ages" based on its usage in the Bible, and has no real qualifying ability to determine how long. Aionios quite literally and simply means "pertaining to an age".

In Homer it typically referred to one's life or lifespan. Today we use the word as a major division of geological time, subdivided into "eons" for example the Precambrian super-eon or Proterozoic eon.

Some would even argue that "aionios zoe/eternal life" is not about the quantity of life but rather the quality. Jesus Christ Himself gave us the definition of "aionios zoe/eternal life" in John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." He makes no mention of immortality in this definition but rather highlights a relationship with God. I personally believe that having a relationship with God has the power to sustain you unto all ages, but I don't think that is Jesus' main point in John 17.

Here we see some examples of aion/aionios/aionon/aioni used in the context of it not meaning forever.

Romans 16:25: “God…is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages [Greek αιωνιοις] and has now been manifested”.

1 Corinthians 2:7: "We speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages [αἰώνων (aiōnōn)] to our glory;”

Ephesians 3:9: “to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages past [αἰώνων (aiōnōn)] has been hidden in God who created all things.”

Colossians 1:26: “the mystery which has been hidden from past ages [αἰώνων (aiōnōn)] and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints."

Galatians 1:4: “…who gave Himself for our sins so that He might rescue us from this present evil age [αἰῶνος (aiōnos)], according to the will of our God and Father.”

Ephesians 1:21: “…in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age [αἰῶνι (aiōni)] but also in the one to come.

Ephesians 2:7: "When we were dead in our transgressions, God made us alive together with Christ, and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the ages to come [αἰῶσιν (aiōsin)] He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.”

Matthew 28:20: "I am with you always, even to the end of the age [αἰῶνος (aiōnos)].”

Titus 1:2: “…in the hope of eternal [αἰωνίου (aiōniou)] life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages [αἰωνίων (aiōniōn)] ago."

 

[nolidad]

It is worse than I imagined. It is worser than my pea brain can conceive, much much worser!

Foro you and your companions, I can understand why! Watchmen on the wall do what they can to stop false doctrine from decieving the masses of believers!

 

[Der Alte]

... None of the verses that anyone has posted refute universalism. They have all been addressed....

Another version of "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!"