Savior of the World, or Eternal Failure?

[Der Alte]

Where is the strait gate located on earth?

John 10:7-8
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.​

 

[bTbRo]

Central to the whole plan of God is Jesus Christ and His greater glory, but even more amazing is the realization that God has planned for us to share His glory and to work out for us our good as well. God has a perfect plan. My friends, I want you to understand one thing. This plan needs no human support! In Madrid, Spain, there exists the Escorial, one of the greatest cathedrals ever built by man. For centuries the kings of Spain have been buried there. When that magnificent structure was under construction, the architect designed a vast arch, perhaps bigger than anything that had been built before. However, that arch was so flat at the top that the reigning king was frightened by the prospect of the tremendous weight of the roof collapsing on his head. He commanded the architect to build a column from the floor all the way to the center of that arch to hold it up. The architect protested vehemently that it was not needed, but the king insisted and, over the laments of the architect, the column was built. The king worshipped contentedly in the vast structure, having seen to it himself that the ceiling would not fall. The years went by, the church stood, and the king finally died. Only then did the architect reveal that between the top of the column and the bottom of the arch there was a quarter of an inch of space. In all these hundreds of years that have passed the arch has not sunk so much as a quarter of an inch. Today a board is still passed over the column and under the arch for all to see. So it is with the plan of God - that over-arching plan that encompasses all of reality and all of life. It needs no human support to hold it up. God is the LORD OF ALL and He is working out His purposes in our lives, in all of the world, and through the whole universe.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

Basically in as few of words as possible...what do you get out of all of this you have posted?

 

[bTbRo]

John 10:7-8
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.​

So where is the door of the sheep located on earth?

 

[Der Alte]

So where is the door of the sheep located on earth?

I just told you.

 

[Saint Steven]

Basically in as few of words as possible...what do you get out of all of this you have posted?

Universal restoration. (two words)

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. (fourteen words)

 

[bTbRo]

I just told you.

No you told me what some one else said
that Jesus is the door of the sheep.
I asked you where is the strait gate?

Are you saying that Jesus said he was the strait gate?

 

[bTbRo]

Universal restoration. (two words)

There is no such thing.

 

[Saint Steven]

Basically in as few of words as possible...what do you get out of all of this you have posted?

We are just getting started. Follow the link to read ahead if you like. Thanks.

 

[Saint Steven]

There is no such thing.

Well, I guess you learned something new today.

There are three different doctrines of the final judgement:
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Universal Restorationism

So yes, there is such a thing.

 

[bTbRo]

We are just getting started. Follow the link to read ahead if you like. Thanks.

No I am not going to read through all of what you have posted...you can just tell me in as few words as possible.

 

[bTbRo]

Well, I guess you learned something new today.

There are three main doctrines of the final judgement:
1) Damnationism
2) Annihilationism
3) Universal Restorationism

So yes, there is such a thing.

All of that is a mirage of the imaginations of men.

 

[FineLinen]

Central to the whole plan of God is Jesus Christ and His greater glory, but even more amazing is the realization that God has planned for us to share His glory and to work out for us our good as well. God has a perfect plan. My friends, I want you to understand one thing. This plan needs no human support! In Madrid, Spain, there exists the Escorial, one of the greatest cathedrals ever built by man. For centuries the kings of Spain have been buried there. When that magnificent structure was under construction, the architect designed a vast arch, perhaps bigger than anything that had been built before. However, that arch was so flat at the top that the reigning king was frightened by the prospect of the tremendous weight of the roof collapsing on his head. He commanded the architect to build a column from the floor all the way to the center of that arch to hold it up. The architect protested vehemently that it was not needed, but the king insisted and, over the laments of the architect, the column was built. The king worshipped contentedly in the vast structure, having seen to it himself that the ceiling would not fall. The years went by, the church stood, and the king finally died. Only then did the architect reveal that between the top of the column and the bottom of the arch there was a quarter of an inch of space. In all these hundreds of years that have passed the arch has not sunk so much as a quarter of an inch. Today a board is still passed over the column and under the arch for all to see. So it is with the plan of God - that over-arching plan that encompasses all of reality and all of life. It needs no human support to hold it up. God is the LORD OF ALL and He is working out His purposes in our lives, in all of the world, and through the whole universe.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1

The Lord is indeed God!

He is the Lord of all(ta pante) and He is working out His purposes in our lives (the especially/ malista) & all of the world, and through the whole universe.

"God IS the Saviour of ALL mankind, especially those who believe/ trust in Him. Command this & teach this"

 

[Saint Steven]

All of that is a mirage of the imaginations of men.

All three views have scriptural support.
I guess the Bible is full of mirages then? - lol

 

[Saint Steven]

No I am not going to read through all of what you have posted...you can just tell me in as few words as possible.

See post #45

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[bTbRo]

All three views have scriptural support.
I guess the Bible is full of mirages then? - lol

Full of contradictions. And it causes much chaos and conflict and rivalry between them who take it as God and believe by it
they are children of God.

 

[FineLinen]

All of that is a mirage of the imaginations of men.

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself :That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

 

[Saint Steven]

Full of contradictions. And it causes much chaos and conflict and rivalry between them who take it as God and believe by it
they are children of God.

What does "bT" stand for? (bT in bTbRo)

 

[bTbRo]

“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace , wherein He has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace ; Wherein He has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; Having made known unto us the mystery of His will , according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself :That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will .”

Do you believe that all them who are going to be cast into the lake of fire are predestined to that ending?

 

[bTbRo]

What does "bT" stand for? (bT in bTbRo)

Nothing I just made it up on the fly.

 

[Saint Steven]

Read the words of that magnificent hymn: "God moves in a mysterious way His wonders to perform; He plants the footsteps in the sea, And rides upon the storm." What a beautiful hymn! Many people may not know how William Cowper was brought to write that hymn. His life was in shambles. He was not a Christian. He was filled with despair and discouragement. In fact, so overcome with despair was he that he determined to take his life by taking poison. Instead of dying, he became deathly ill. He bought a gun and tried to shoot himself, but the gun would not go off. In great anger, he threw the gun away, got a rope and tried to hang himself. The rope broke. So then, in utter desperation, he hired a carriage in London and instructed the driver to take him to the Thames River. The driver could not find the Thames River! The fog had settled in so thickly on the town that even a London cabdriver got lost! After several hours he brought Cowper back to his apartment. He went up to his room, totally dismayed, and his eyes fell upon a Bible. He opened that Bible and began to read. He read of the love of a heavenly Father who loved even William Cowper. Astonished by the events that had just taken place, he read of the sovereign providence of God working all things after the counsel of His own will. He embraced Him as his Saviour and wrote the wonderful words of that great hymn.

Source: The Savior of the World, by J. Preston Eby
Kindgdom Bible Studies Savior of the World Series Part 1