Saved through Fire

[StudentoftheWord]

Student,

your welcome

Lake of PUR:

PUR: A primary word; "fire" (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning):--fiery, fire

PURINOS: from PUR; fiery, i.e. (by implication) flaming:--of fire.

PURRHOS: from PUR; fire-like, i.e. (specially), flame- colored:--red.

PURA: from PUR; a fire (concretely):--fire.

PUROO: from PUR; to kindle, i.e. (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust):--burn, fiery, be on fire, try.

PURESSO: from PURA; to be on fire, i.e. (specially), to have a fever:--be sick of a fever.

PURETOS: from PURESSO; inflamed, i.e. (by implication) feverish (as noun, fever):--fever.

PUROSIS: from PUROO; ignition, i.e. (specially), smelting (figuratively, conflagration, calamity as a test):--burning, trial.

If the LAKE OF FIRE was refining, it would be called the Lake of PUROO or Lake of PUROSIS.

The Lake of Fire is for destruction. :o

 

[elman]

The first Adam died to God and righteousness, and became alive unto sin. The last Adam died unto sin (Rom. 6:10), and liveth unto God, and so fulfilleth all righteousness. The first made all men sinners, the last makes all men righteous. The lives and the deaths of the two Adams are thus greatly contrasting the one to the other. The FIRST DEATH was a transition from life to death, the SECOND DEATH is a transition from corruption to incorruption, from mortality to immortality. We are transformed from the carnal mind to the spiritual mind, a mind filled with life and peace. The transformation is wrought by dying out to the one realm, to come alive to the higher realm. Because — the second death is prepared to purge out and burn away sin and its results, and so doing cleanse all of God's universe."

Perhaps, the death of the old man of sin so that we can be reborn spiritually is the first death, but I think the first and second death are both spiritual death. Physical death is the consequences of being mortal not sinful. The righteous and the unrighteous die physcially. But the sin that kill our soul, our spiritual self is our own sin. Ezekiel 18. I think we are all born like Adam spiritually alive and we all sin and kill our own soul which is the first death. Then the second death is for those that are not make spiritually alive by God-the rebirth from grace and our return to righteousnesss. The second death is the death of our opportunity to be a child of God and all who have put on Christ do not have to fear the second death.

 

[Benoni]

Perhaps, the death of the old man of sin so that we can be reborn spiritually is the first death,

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Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
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Adam died in the Garden of Eden when he sinned; but lived to be 930 years old. His death was physical when he died at the age of 930; but He I believed he died spiritually the moment of sin.

Adam was a Son of God; so was Jesus; Jesus overcame; where Adam did not.


Adam communed with God in the Garden of Eden; he named the animals and walked with God in the Cool (Heb. Spirit) of the Day.

When Adam fell ; he fell from a state of being that allowed him a higher dimension with God. He lost his rank or position. Maybe at that moment or as he grew older. A dead man cannot hear, smell, touch, taste and see and that goes for a spiritual dead man who cannot preceive God in His glory; who is dead spiritually to the presence of God.

He was naked; he lost the covering of the Shekinah glory of God’s presents; to a body of clay or human flesh.

He tried to cover his nakedness with fig leaves. I feel this was the first religious act. For Adam tried to cover his nakedness with something other then God's presense.

You can look at the early men of God and as time passed they lost the long years of their lives to where men started dying much earlier; as dead got more of hold on carnal man.

God’s second’s are always more spiritual and awesome then His first. First Adam; Second Adam; First Covenant; Second Covenant; Passover: then Calvary; Feast of Pentecost; Day of Pentecost; first the natural then the spiritual.




It takes the Spirit of truth to awaken us out of this death.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Lake of PUR:

PUR: A primary word; "fire" (literally or figuratively, specially, lightning):--fiery, fire

PURINOS: from PUR; fiery, i.e. (by implication) flaming:--of fire.

PURRHOS: from PUR; fire-like, i.e. (specially), flame- colored:--red.

PURA: from PUR; a fire (concretely):--fire.

PUROO: from PUR; to kindle, i.e. (passively) to be ignited, glow (literally), be refined (by implication), or (figuratively) to be inflamed (with anger, grief, lust):--burn, fiery, be on fire, try.

PURESSO: from PURA; to be on fire, i.e. (specially), to have a fever:--be sick of a fever.

PURETOS: from PURESSO; inflamed, i.e. (by implication) feverish (as noun, fever):--fever.

PUROSIS: from PUROO; ignition, i.e. (specially), smelting (figuratively, conflagration, calamity as a test):--burning, trial.

If the LAKE OF FIRE was refining, it would be called the Lake of PUROO or Lake of PUROSIS.

The Lake of Fire is for destruction. :o

This is Greek to me.

So the lake of fire is for destruction. Destruction of what?

 

[StudentoftheWord]

So the lake of fire is for destruction. Destruction of what?

That which is built of perishable quality. It is the Day of the Lord, by that time we have plenty of warning and of caution in how we build. The Lake of Fire is the suffering of loss, not the refinement for gain. The refiner's fire happens in this life, that is eternal life. Jesus defeated death at the cross, yes, and as consequence the cross destroyed death's grip because Jesus now holds the keys (gates) of Death and Hades. The Kingdom of God is like an master of a household giving his servants each a talent and telling them to invest wisely and leaves. When he returns, he takes censor of each servant's talent and those who invested wisely recieve much, those who did not invest their talent have it removed. Each servant gives the master their talent and investment. Those who spent it wisely, recieve their reward. Those who did not, suffer loss but are saved as one through a house fire, no possessions but they are alive.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Student,

That makes sense.

 

[StudentoftheWord]

Student,

That makes sense.

Thanks

 

[Benoni]

This is Greek to me.

So the lake of fire is for destruction. Destruction of what?

I don’t know.

Fire has many attributes be it heat, cooking, or change as well as purification. My point is fire purifies be it gold, silver or brass. (which is usually symbolized as different spiritual realities or truths) The longer the metal (speaking naturally) is in the fire the more purer the metal becomes. Many of God’s people need fire as I do to refine these spiritual truths experimentally in my life. Yes it will burn up the wood hay and stubble.

Also the word pur is the root word for your laundry list of Greek Word. PURINO,PURRHOS,PURA,PUROO,PURESSO,PURETOS and PUROSIS

 

[Benoni]

I directed my last question at StudentoftheWord not Kimberlyann, sorry my mistake.

 

[elman]

Perhaps, the death of the old man of sin so that we can be reborn spiritually is the first death,

​

​

​

Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
​

Adam died in the Garden of Eden when he sinned; but lived to be 930 years old. His death was physical when he died at the age of 930; but He I believed he died spiritually the moment of sin.

Adam was a Son of God; so was Jesus; Jesus overcame; where Adam did not.


Adam communed with God in the Garden of Eden; he named the animals and walked with God in the Cool (Heb. Spirit) of the Day.

When Adam fell ; he fell from a state of being that allowed him a higher dimension with God. He lost his rank or position. Maybe at that moment or as he grew older. A dead man cannot hear, smell, touch, taste and see and that goes for a spiritual dead man who cannot preceive God in His glory; who is dead spiritually to the presence of God.

He was naked; he lost the covering of the Shekinah glory of God’s presents; to a body of clay or human flesh.

He tried to cover his nakedness with fig leaves. I feel this was the first religious act. For Adam tried to cover his nakedness with something other then God's presense.

You can look at the early men of God and as time passed they lost the long years of their lives to where men started dying much earlier; as dead got more of hold on carnal man.

God’s second’s are always more spiritual and awesome then His first. First Adam; Second Adam; First Covenant; Second Covenant; Passover: then Calvary; Feast of Pentecost; Day of Pentecost; first the natural then the spiritual.




It takes the Spirit of truth to awaken us out of this death.

I agree that Adam died spiritually the day he sinned just as we die spiritually when we sin. Ezekiel 18. I don't think Jesus was simply a man that overcame. I think He was a man that overcame but i also believe in His divinity. I am not sure the story of Adam is literally true. I think it was meant to convey some spiritual truth to us. I think we are all Adam, born spiritually alive, spiritually dead when we sin and able to be reborn by God if we return to righteousness, ie.being loving to our neighbor. I think a spiritually dead person can return to righteousness live again -again from Ezekiel 18.

 

[elman]

This is Greek to me.

So the lake of fire is for destruction. Destruction of what?

The lake of fire is the second death. I think the second death is the end or termination of spiritual existence.

 

[Benoni]

I agree that Adam died spiritually the day he sinned just as we die spiritually when we sin. Ezekiel 18. I don't think Jesus was simply a man that overcame. I think He was a man that overcame but i also believe in His divinity. I am not sure the story of Adam is literally true. I think it was meant to convey some spiritual truth to us. I think we are all Adam, born spiritually alive, spiritually dead when we sin and able to be reborn by God if we return to righteousness, ie.being loving to our neighbor. I think a spiritually dead person can return to righteousness live again -again from Ezekiel 18.

I agree totally with Jesus is Devine; He is the lamb stain from the foundation of the earth; (Isa. 9:6) I could go on with paragraphs of His Divinity. He is also our pattern:

1 Timothy 1:
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. ​

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I believe we are born in sin; we are all dead spiritually to God until He draws us.

1 Corinthians 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

Yes all men will be brought back to a relationship with God; but each in his own order; I do believe God is calling all men now; but in His timing; right now God is calling His firstfuit company. Some 30, 60m and 100 fold.

 

[Benoni]

The lake of fire is the second death. I think the second death is the end or termination of spiritual existence.

If that was the case then these two verses would be false:


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 3: 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

 

[elman]

I agree totally with Jesus is Devine; He is the lamb stain from the foundation of the earth; (Isa. 9:6) I could go on with paragraphs of His Divinity. He is also our pattern:

1 Timothy 1:
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. ​

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I believe we are born in sin; we are all dead spiritually to God until He draws us.

1 Corinthians 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.​

Yes all men will be brought back to a relationship with God; but each in his own order; I do believe God is calling all men now; but in His timing; right now God is calling His firstfuit company. Some 30, 60m and 100 fold.

How are we born in sin? Is sin something we do or something our ancestors did? Am I responible for my father's sins?

 

[elman]

If that was the case then these two verses would be false:


Ecclesiastes 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 3: 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

No those verses do not mean the second death is not the death of us spiritually. All of us physically die, therefore Ecc 3:20 is correct. Animals do not have a spirit in the image of God and physcal death is the end for them. We face the same destiny if we are like the animals, and have no spiritual existence, but if we turn to righteouness we have spiritual existence, because God brings us to spiritual life. Only God can bring us to eternal life, i.e. bring us to see what shall be after us.

 

[Benoni]

No those verses do not mean the second death is not the death of us spiritually. All of us physically die, therefore Ecc 3:20 is correct. Animals do not have a spirit in the image of God and physcal death is the end for them. We face the same destiny if we are like the animals, and have no spiritual existence, but if we turn to righteouness we have spiritual existence, because God brings us to spiritual life. Only God can bring us to eternal life, i.e. bring us to see what shall be after us.

The animals fell when Adam fell; Adam named them and had dominion over them; I believe they will be restored. The lion shall lay down with the lamb.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

I got to go to work right now; but God’s seconds are always more spiritual and glorious then His first. Adam/Christ; First Covenant/Second Covenant; Passover/Calvary: and the list goes on.

 

[Benoni]

No those verses do not mean the second death is not the death of us spiritually. All of us physically die, therefore Ecc 3:20 is correct. Animals do not have a spirit in the image of God and physcal death is the end for them. We face the same destiny if we are like the animals, and have no spiritual existence, but if we turn to righteouness we have spiritual existence, because God brings us to spiritual life. Only God can bring us to eternal life, i.e. bring us to see what shall be after us.

Does not this verse say in Adam all die; in Christ ALL will be made alive?

1 Corinthians 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

[Kimberlyann]

I directed my last question at StudentoftheWord not Kimberlyann, sorry my mistake.

No need to be sorry.

 

[elman]

The animals fell when Adam fell; Adam named them and had dominion over them; I believe they will be restored. The lion shall lay down with the lamb.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

I got to go to work right now; but God’s seconds are always more spiritual and glorious then His first. Adam/Christ; First Covenant/Second Covenant; Passover/Calvary: and the list goes on.

I don't think a literal flesh and blood lion and flesh and blood lamb is being discussed. I believe the peace that passes understanding occurs when we are reconnected to God and all emnity between us and God and between each of us with the other humans is erased is being protrayed.

 

[elman]

Does not this verse say in Adam all die; in Christ ALL will be made alive?

1 Corinthians 15:21
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Yes and I see the idea that like Adam we all sin and kill our own souls but in Christ we all have the opportunity to turn to righteousness and let Christ make us alive again spiritually. I don't think this passage is talking about physical death and physical life at all.