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Laughter tells me you cede defeat in this matter.Okaaaay. We have a universalist who cannot reconcile the loss of the many with the salvation of the few. So he ignores all the passages that mention the damnation of most.
It has never changed locations..... I thought you have tasted of its fruit since you suggested, with a scripture, that you have obtained eternal life. I guess this is why few find the narrow way huh. We dont know where to look for it... or maybe we stop our search after reaching a certain point to turn around and consider the damned. Yet only those that endure to the end....the same shall be saved........So where is the tree these days?
Okaaaay. We have a universalist who cannot reconcile the loss of the many with the salvation of the few. So he ignores all the passages that mention the damnation of most.
And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Luke 13:23–24Dear Dave: I repeat the polus "made sinners" are the identical polus "made righteous". All the passages you quoted totaled 1 (one). Perhaps you can present all the passages that "mention the damnation of most"?
Impressive list. But most end up dying in their sins.
Including the reprobate angels.......on their way to hell.Dear Dave: You have finally made a post that is correct. The fact is the vast, vast broken wrecks of Adam die in their sins, never knowing the Glorious One or experiencing His awesome Presence.
Do you grasp what it means to be in/en Jesus? If you do, you will surely appreciate that every knee, every mouth, in every dimension of the universe of heavens & earth and underworld ultimately worships Him in willing worship of antiphonal chorus IN/En the Name of all names. This worship is NOT by perfunctory genuflections but unrestrained worship IN His mighty Name!
Including the reprobate angels.......on their way to hell.
I guess it is easy to discuss the damned than to discuss the way to life.It has never changed locations..... I thought you have tasted of its fruit since you suggested, with a scripture, that you have obtained eternal life. I guess this is why few find the narrow way huh. We dont know where to look for it... or maybe we stop our search after reaching a certain point to turn around and consider the damned. Yet only those that endure to the end....the same shall be saved........
Dear Dave: Try to expand your limited borders of the limited god of yours and learn a new koine word.
The word for today= ta panta. Not "panta" standing alone, but "ta" preceeding it.
<Clem>...The IVA ("that") is used in Jn.3:17 above. BDAG says “In many cases purpose and result cannot be clearly differentiated, and hence ἵνα is used for the result that follows according to the purpose of the subj. or of God. As in Semitic and Gr-Rom. thought, purpose and result are identical in declarations of the *divine will*…” ἵνα — с греческого на все языкиbegin
Now let us see what BDAG actually says about the "ina" in Phil 2:10 and following. see link above.
Dear Kerenza: I have walked with the Glory One for many moons now. The Scriptures may seem contradictory but they are one expression of the One whose ways and Being far surpass all of us.
The translation "damned", which some enjoy throwing around is found in the KJV & means judgement. There is a biggie difference in the two words in degrees of outstanding significance!
I don't enjoy throwing that word around either — not least because I already do believe in universal salvation (as I was trying to imply earlier).
There is nothing disressing about God's divine attributes or eternal nature. God's communicable attributes are the only way the sinner can come before God righteous, holy and blameless. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the light, but so many refuse to come to the light because their deeds are evil. A message that doesn't preach repentance vcan never approach the gospel, it's predicated on man's guilt before God in the light of the revelation of the righteousness of God found only in Christ. Your peddling false hope, God's divine nature cannot change and some men love darkness rather then light. Tnhe whole premise is contrary to the most basic element of the gospel.Dear Mark: It is so distressing contemplating the Eternal One unable to bring His desires into completion.
"This truth is sure, and worthy of acceptance by all; for on account of it we labour and contend for the prize; because we hope on a living God, Who is a Saviour of all men, especially of faithful. Command and teach these things."
"Faithful is this saying and deserving of universal acceptance:and here is the motive of our toiling and wrestling, because we have our hopes fixed on the ever-living God, who is the Saviour of all mankind, and especially of believers. Command this and teach this."
"We place our whole confidence in the living God, the saviour of all men, and particularly of those who believe in him. These convictions should be the basis of your instruction and teaching."
“Do not add to his words, lest he reprove you, and prove you to be a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)Dear Dave: Try to expand your limited borders of the limited god of yours and learn a new koine word.
The word for today= ta panta. Not "panta" standing alone, but "ta" preceeding it.
“Do not add to his words, lest he reprove you, and prove you to be a liar.” (Proverbs 30:6)
For those who think God's plan is to save the world, why did Jesus pray only for those God gave Him and those who would believe in Him through their word? (John 17)
You need to balance what you think with the rest of the bible. Did God save the Canaanites? Sodom and Gomorrah? The Jews in Jerusalem in the great tribulation of 70 AD?No-one's adding to His words. "Ta panta" is in the original Greek of Romans 11:36 — meaning THE all (as in absolutely everything) is from Him and to Him and through Him.
Same goes for Romans 5:19. It also has definite articles in the original, even though many translations don't. It actually reads "For by one man's disobedience [i.e. Adam] THE many [i.e. all people] were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [i.e. Christ] shall THE many [i.e. all people] be made righteous."
How much more clearly could Paul have said it? "For as in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
No-one's adding to His words. "Ta panta" is in the original Greek of Romans 11:36 — meaning THE all (as in absolutely everything) is from Him and to Him and through Him.
Same goes for Romans 5:19. It also has definite articles in the original, even though many translations don't. It actually reads "For by one man's disobedience [i.e. Adam] THE many [i.e. all people] were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [i.e. Christ] shall THE many [i.e. all people] be made righteous."
How much more clearly could Paul have said it? "For as in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive." (1 Cor. 15:22)
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