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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Johnny4ChristJesus, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

    Dear Dave: I assure you I have been contemplating the words of the Scriptures longer than you can imagine, Old Covenant & new. It is the fundamental reason your silliness rooted in deception makes it impossible to listen to "the deceived"!

    How are you making out in your research of krino? If you ever grasp krino we will continue on to ta panta. Not just panta, "ta" preceding it.

    From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends.
  2. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

    Dear Clement: Perhaps one day the Dave's of this dimension will be awakened. Fortunately we believe in the God who raises the dead and heals blind eyes and deaf ears.

    PS: I left a wee PM over on the other thread for you, not the baby board.
  3. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    Have you ever felt that you might be an internet stalker?
  4. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

    The Prophets

    "He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass; as showers that water the earth. In his days shall the righteous flourish: and abundance of peace so long as the moon endures. He shall have dominion from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth." Ps. 72: 6-8.

    "All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the Lord; and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before you." Ps. 22: 27.

    "All nations whom you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord; and shall glorify your name. "Ps. 86: 9.

    "Will the Lord cast off for ever? and will he be favorable no more? Is his mercy clean gone forever? does his promise fail for evermore? Has God forgotten to be gracious? has he in anger shut up his tender mercies? Selah.

    And I said, This is my infirmity: but I will remember the years of the right hand of the Most High." - Ps. 77: 10.

    "For he says, The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy. He will not always chide: neither will he keep his anger forever". Ps. 103: 9.

    "For his anger endures but a moment; in his favor is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning." Ps. 30: 5.

    "If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; if they break my statutes, and keep not my
    commandments; then will I visit their transgressions with the rod, and their iniquities with stripes, nevertheless my loving kindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail." Ps. 89: 30-33.

    "The Lord is gracious and full of compassion; slow to anger and of great mercy. The Lord is good to all and his tender mercies are over all his works." Ps. 165: 8, 9.

    "All nations whom you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord, and shall glorify your name. "Ps. 86: 9.

    "O you that hears prayer, unto you shall all flesh come." Ps. 65: 2.

    "All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn unto the Lord; and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before you." Ps. 22: 27.

    "He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces." Isa. 25: 8.

    "Look unto me and be you saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself; the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear, surely shall say: "In the Lord have I righteousness and strength." Isa. 45: 24-27.

    "He shall see of the travail of his soul and shall be satisfied."Isa. 53: 11.

    "As the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, and returns not thither, but waters the earth and makes it bring forth and bud that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isa. 55: 10, 11.

    "Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? Yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget you." Isa. 49: 15.

    "Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers, in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke although I was a husband unto them, says the Lord. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, know the Lord, for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord, for I will forgive their sin and I will remember their iniquity no more." Jer. 31: 31-34.

    "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be your plagues: O grave, I will be your destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes." Hos. 13: 14.

    "Who is a God like unto you, that pardons iniquity, and passes by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retains not his anger forever because he delights in mercy. He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us. He will subdue our iniquities, and you will cast all their sins into the depth of the sea. You will perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which you have sworn unto our fathers from the days of old." Mic. 7: 18, 19, 20.

    "And there was given him dominion, and glory and a kingdom, that all people, nations and languages should serve him: his dominion is an ever lasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." Dan. 7: 14.

  5. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

    Dear Johnny: Do you know what the koine malista means? The word in the KJV is "especially". "God is [the] Saviour of ALL mankind". That is a fact: He is Saviour of all with zero exceptions. The process in the reality of this fact requires the Fire of His glory breaking upon every last despicable, broken sinner of various dimensions. But in the end, every last being is not only saved but made righteous!

    Why did the Saviour of all mankind pray only for those who Abba gave Him? They are His malista!

    "God is Saviour of all mankind, especially those who trust in Him (who believe), Command this & teach this."
  6. Der Alte

    Der Alte This is me about 1 yr. old. Supporter

    United States
    All irrelevant smoke and mirrors. Unless you quote the primary sources, themselves, in-context, you have no way of knowing if the secondary source, e.g. Beauchamin, or hi priestess Ramillia, etc. is quoting them correctly or in-context.

    My opinions have never been disproved from any competent scholars.
    That other people quoted sources such as lexicons, encyclopedias, ECF etc.is irrelevant here. OTOH you seldom quote anything but biased UR sources. The few times that you have quoted credible sources e.g. BDAG, BDB etc. it has been selective, out-of-context.

    .....Which views, if any, of translation of the Hebrew scripture or Jewish history do you think are superior to native Hebrew speaking Jewish scholars?

    .....I did not quote Jewish commentaries. I quoted three Jewish translations of Isa 53:11 and unless the "commentaries" can show grammatically, historically etc. that their "translations," are correct and the Jewish translations are incorrect the JE, EJ, and Talmud trump anything you quote from them.
    .....That someone expresses one opinion does not disprove any other opinion. For something to be proven wrong requires credible, verifiable, grammatical, historical etc. evidence. Do you have any of that?
  7. ClementofA

    ClementofA Well-Known Member Supporter


    Wrong. I don't need to quote anything to know if anyone is "quoting them correctly or in-context."

    Just the other day i corrected some of your errors which you admitted to.

    You constantly post anti-UR biased sources.

    You've never demonstrated that anything i've ever quoted was not accurate if read in as much context as anyone would wish to read.

    When BDAG doesn't support you, you ignore it. You only quote it when it supports your position. You also consistently omit portions of BDAG that oppose your hyperbole theory for which you've never provided a single scholar in the past 2000 years to support it, while OTOH many oppose it.

    Anti-Christian Jewish scholars are wrong regarding the true Messiah, Jesus Christ. Their opinions are not inspired. And the scholars of the vast majority of these dozens of translations oppose them:

    Isaiah 53:11 - Bible Gateway

    Moreover the 3 sources you quoted did not come with any proper references. You failed to provide any evidence of a 700 BC date. And you also omitted what LXX translation into English you were quoting.
  8. DennisTate

    DennisTate Newbie Supporter

    Good question..... my answer has to do with G-d using multiple time lines to lead more and more and more of us to salvation.

    In each new time line that is a fulfillment of
    Ezekiel 37
    more of the Holy Spirit is poured out and it is easier for people to come to G-d who did not do so in other time lines....... but the rewards are less.

    Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.
  9. Johnny4ChristJesus

    Johnny4ChristJesus Well-Known Member Supporter

    United States
    Interesting theory.
  10. Pneuma3

    Pneuma3 Well-Known Member

    well scripture does deal with multiple aions/ages and God is from olam/aion/age TO olam/aion age.

    Thus he is the God of the ages
  11. DennisTate

    DennisTate Newbie Supporter

    Exactly.... near death experiencer and former Skeptic Rabbi Alon Anava reported feeling like two billion years went by in the seven minutes in which he had his near death experience in the back of a New York taxi.