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MattyJames

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Hello all,

Was discussing with my father the roots of Anabaptists and we were stumped as to whether you's observed the Saturday Sabbath or Sunday Sabbath.

I browsed through your list of doctrines but I didn't see any definate in this area.

Would appreciate any comments.

Many Thanks,

Matt James
 

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I'm not much on custom and tradition though I do prefer to take my cues from Jesus and He made it ever so plain and Paul further affirms that I am to have dominion over the earth, that the sabbath was made for ME, and that that may be any day or every day whichever and whenever as I may so see fit.
 
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The Bible identifies Sunday as the Lord's Day, which isn't precisely the same thing as the Sabbath. However, the early church (possibly even in the Apostles' times) began observing the Sabbath on Sunday. Personally I think that we ought to regard Sunday as the Sabbath.

Of course, putting aside legalisms, the important issue is that we take one day out of the week to rest. I think that Sunday is ideal, but any day will suffice. Some people are busy on Sunday, and maybe another day would be better for them.
 
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I know some disagree on what is/isn't the day we should observe at the Sabbath. Mainstream Baptist hold to Sunday as the Sabbath Biblically.

Here's a good explanation on why mainstream Baptists hold to Sunday as the Sabbath.

http://experts.about.com/q/Baptists-954/sabbath-issue.htm




Colossians 2:8-17
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ."
 
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Thanks for clearing up. Although as you may fully be aware, I observe the Saturday Sabbath and therefor totally dissagree on all points made. :-D lol

Unfortunatly, I am bound by the rules, so a debate on the subject, though throughly anticipated, won't be acceptable.

Once again, thanks all for your posts. May God continue to guide you all.

Matt James
 
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HypoTypoSis said:
Jesus superceded and threw all that out the window the day He decided to shuck an ear in the field and chow down.

If Jesus had violated Torah He would have been a false Messiah.

They did not violate the Oral Torah ( which is what the Pharisee's were worked up about) by rubbing the grain and eating it, they would have if they had kept some of it rather than eating the grain.
 
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Saturday is the Sabbath at our house. We don't answer the phone if we don't want to, we don't schedule things for Saturday, we try to not be a "slave" to the things our culture gets all wrapped up in. Our family uses it as a day to enjoy each other and God's creation. We use that day to rest and relax after a long stressful week.

We do however worship on Sunday, it is not however a "Sabbath" for us.

I would also argue that for the fisrt 20 years (until the Jerusalem council) of the early church they observed the Sabbath on Saturday as Christianity was understood to be a sect of Judaism at that time.
 
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mlqurgw said:
No one here actually keeps a Sabbath. It has never been changed to Sunday anywhere in the NT. The Lord's Day is never said to be the Sabbath. Christ is the Sabbath for the believer, see Heb. 4

Hello mlqurgw,

As I see it, Hebrews 4 speaks "of the Seventh Day" 4:4. Furthermore I believe that 4:9-10 states clearly that the Sabbath still requires one to cease from physical work, "as God did from His".

Like many scriptures, the interpretation of the Text depends on motive/ understanding of the reader.

I hope I haven't missunderstood your post.

Reguards,

Matt James
 
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What is required to keep a Sabbath? The Law requires more than just not working. We read nowhere that any of the Patriarchs kept a Sabbath. It isn't even mentioned again until Mt. Sinai. To keep a Sabbath it must be done on Saturday; you can do no work except works of mercy, nothing that is for yourself; you must have a double sacrifice and you must put to death all Sabbath breakers. I don't have my notes in front of me but I will get back to you with the references.
This is why I said that no one here actually keeps a Sabbath. To keep it you must do all that the Law requires concerning it. If you want a day to rest by all means take it but don't call it keeping a Sabbath.

You may notice that the word translated rest in verse 9 of Heb. 4 is a different word than what is used in the previous verses. I do realize that many do interpret Heb. 4 differently but it makes no sense to me if it isn't teaching that Christ is our Sabbath. He did say in Matt. 11:28,29 that He would give all who come to Him rest.
 
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Since the OT command to observe the Sabbath was given to the Jews for the Jews the obvious questions arise:

1) Which is the more proper approach:
To use the Jewish or the Gregorian calendar?

2) Since the Sabbath is a Jewish holiday should not those that observe it also observe all Jewish holidays?

It would seem that if one point of the law is to be kept then all points must be kept. It also seems doubtful God is going to approve any who decide to keep only some of what God says to observe and to refuse to observe other holidays that God said to observe. Telling God we like this this and that but all that other stuff we're gonna toss out sounds like a dangerous business to be involved in. It is reminiscent of the passage where Jesus says,

"I know thy works,
that thou art neither cold nor hot:
I would thou wert cold or hot.
So then because thou art lukewarm,
and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Dangerous, indeed!

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HypoTypoSis said:
Since the OT command to observe the Sabbath was given to the Jews for the Jews the obvious questions arise:

1) Which is the more proper approach:
To use the Jewish or the Gregorian calendar?

While the Hebrew calendar cycles according to the lunar cycle, days are still measured by the Sun. As such, I'm not sure the Sabbath would depend on what calendar is used. Modern day Jews and Muslims use lunar calendars, and yet their Sabbaths correspond to specific days on our modern calendars. So either calendar would likely yield the same computation of the Sabbath. Unless of course there's something I don't know about the Hebrew lunar calendar (which may very well be the case).
 
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arunma said:
about the Hebrew lunar calendar

It's worth it just to check out its extreme complexity. Of course, different sects have different rules, too. So, actually, any thinking it should be observed should be careful which way to go.

What about the 2nd question?

HypoTypoSis
 
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Romans 14
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
 
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roman 14:5-6
col 2:16-20
acts 15:24-29
heb 4
matt 12:2-8

1 thes 5:17 worship without ceasing.... every day and every hour!!
 
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We need to really give that day
To the Lord as well as do things
Like the Lord does!
 
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