Saturday Sabbath??

[ZiSunka]

Actually in Luke 2, there is a reference to Jesus and the concept of being a full member of the community. Jewish boys from the Galilee area (more orthodox than the Judean area) were only allowed go to Jerusalem for Passover if they had completed the bet sefer portion of their education (memorization of the Torah for one). They were permitted to go to Jerusalem and present the Passover lamb at the Temple on behalf of their family as was the custom of the day. This was an informal bar mitzvah if you will and indicated to the community that this boy was ready to move on to the bet Talmud portion of their education.

Luke 2 doesn't say anything about Jesus presenting a lamb for his family, or that he was now authorized to read the Torah in the Temple. This is a case of an explanation being invented to support a later ceremonial development.

Luke 2:41 Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. 43 After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it.

Not a word about a coming of age ceremony, a lamb being presented, a custom of having a son present the lamb for the family as part of a bar mitzvah, nothing like that. It's especially weird since even Jewish historians agree that bar mitzvahs came about in the 12th century, 1,200 years after the events of Luke 2.

 

[Andyman_1970]

I didn't mention a ceremony, I mention that was the custom to present the lamb on behalf of your family, which denoted one had memorized Torah, which Luke does cite "according to the customs".

We'll have to disagree on this.

 

[Andyman_1970]

The Gospels also don't say that He attended school at the local synagouge, but I whole heartedly believe that He did. Again, this highlights the inadequacy I see with Sola Scriptura.

The Gospels don't record His attendance for each of the appointed feast for every year of His life, but I believe that He did, otherwise He would have been a false Messiah.

Just because the Gospel doesn't record it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[ZiSunka]

The Gospels also don't say that He attended school at the local synagouge, but I whole heartedly believe that He did. Again, this highlights the inadequacy I see with Sola Scriptura.

The Gospels don't record His attendance for each of the appointed feast for every year of His life, but I believe that He did, otherwise He would have been a false Messiah.

Just because the Gospel doesn't record it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Plus he was 12 years old at these events, but a bar mitzvah is at 13 years old.

I have no doubt he was in attendance for every appointed feast, but you can't read into them that he was bar mitzvahed when bar mitzvahs didn't start to happen until 1200 years after he came of age.

 

[Andyman_1970]

I didn't say He was bar mitzvah'd I indicated He, according to the customs, presented the Passover lamb at the Temple on behalf of His family when He was 12.

 

[ZiSunka]

I didn't say He was bar mitzvah'd I indicated He, according to the customs, presented the Passover lamb at the Temple on behalf of His family when He was 12.

Actually in Luke 2, there is a reference to Jesus and the concept of being a full member of the community. Jewish boys from the Galilee area (more orthodox than the Judean area) were only allowed go to Jerusalem for Passover if they had completed the bet sefer portion of their education (memorization of the Torah for one). They were permitted to go to Jerusalem and present the Passover lamb at the Temple on behalf of their family as was the custom of the day. This was an informal bar mitzvah if you will and indicated to the community that this boy was ready to move on to the bet Talmud portion of their education.

And you really have to stretch to make it out that Jesus presented the lamb at the Temple. The reference "according to the custom" refers to the custom of going to Jerusalem for the passover, not to Jesus presenting the lamb. There is absolutely no indication of what you are saying. You are putting stuff in there to suit your customs.

Nevertheless, I will not continue to disabuse you of your ascertion that Christ was bar mitzvahed. If it's that important to you, I'll just let it go.