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Saturday Sabbath vs Sunday The Lords Day....GO!

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Glorytothefather2245, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Studyman

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    LOL, you just posted a religious philosopher whose entire sermon is to prove the Sabbath of God doesn't exist in the New Covenant. Now you are saying you are keeping the Sabbath?

    You are missing the point. The Pharisees had a sabbath, it just wasn't God's Sabbath. Just as Catholics have a sabbath, that you seem to have adopted, it just isn't the Sabbath of God. Jesus and His Disciples were following God's Sabbath, not theirs, which is the reason the Pharisees were so angry at them. You wouldn't understand because you don't believe God's Sabbath is Holy to God and Holy to man..

    John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

    Ex. 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    Religions of this world have always defiled, polluted and rejected God's Sabbaths. It is to be expected as Prophesied, so it is no surprise to me that it is taught against in the mainstream religions of this world. I simply post the Scriptures for examination. It is up to the individual if they "believe" them or not.
     
  2. Studyman

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    I was a Slave to unrighteousness, Sin and Deception. What is the difference?
     
  3. Der Alte

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    What about the annual Sabbaths for some major feasts/festivals which occur on the first day of specific months? Leviticus 23:24 Leviticus 23:39
     
  4. SabbathBlessings

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    I wasn't referring to annual Sabbath(s), just the 4th commandment/weekly Sabbath. When the annual feasts falls on the weekly Sabbath it is called a High Sabbath.
     
  5. BABerean2

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    There is no scripture in the New Testament that commands Christians to keep a Sabbath day.
    Paul did go to the synagogue of the Jews and preached Christ on the Sabbath day, because that was the day the Jews were meeting.

    However, we do have evidence that the early Church met on the first day of the week.

    The 4th commandment was the "sign" of the Sinai covenant.

    Based on Colossians 2:16-17, for those in the New Covenant Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week.

    I do not claim to keep a Sabbath day.
    Can you tell us what you do to properly keep the Sabbath day?

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  6. Studyman

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    The instructions of God for His People were already given in the Law and Prophets that Jesus and Paul taught from. This is why they quoted from the Law and Prophets. As it is written "the Law was given by Moses, Forgiveness for transgressing God's Law was given by the Lamb of God."

    As Jesus and His Father told religious men over and over and over and over and over, but you/they don't believe, "If you want to enter life, keep the Commandments". But "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, are not persuaded. Jesus tells us why.

    Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

    30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

    31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    As it is to this day.


    Yes, the Jews who "Transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious Traditions", that "Moses gave God's Law to, but none of them kept it", that "Taught for doctrines the Commandments of men", that "Omitted the weightier matter of the Law", that killed Jesus and Stephen, and the Prophets before them, for telling them the truth of God. It was their religious tradition to meet in Shrines of Worship made of wood and stone, to promote their religion, sell animal sacrifices, and promote their doctrines and traditions of men, on God's Sabbath.

    Yes, both Jesus and Paul, even Peter, went to their synagogues where they promoted their religious philosophies of men, and reasoned with them in the Scriptures.

    Yes, it is true they polluted God's Sabbath, and rejected much of God's instructions, as the Prophets tells us. We know how Jesus judged them. Why would you follow in their footsteps?

    God's Sabbath was never about a social club, or bingo, or entertainment or a meeting place. There is no instruction against meeting with fellow believers. There is, however, a Commandment regarding a Specific day of the Week that God esteemed above other days. Jesus recognized and spoke about this day, just as HIS Spirit inspired Isaiah to speak about this day.

    It is true religious men have, and no doubt will continue, to despise and pollute this particular commandment, "in Christ's name", as Prophesied. My hope is to post the relevant scriptures and examine them in faith, so as to discern between the religious traditions and philosophies of men, and the Holy, Good, Just and Righteous instructions of our creator.

    I must say, you don't seem real interested in examining scriptures, rather, you seem quite intent on justifying your own religious philosophy.

    Ex. 16:4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.

    Some did, but most refuse. As it is to this day.

    1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our (New Covenant believers) examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

    Ex. 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

    What spirit in this world would want you to ignore the examples God had written for us New Covenant believers?

    Correction; "Based on your Mainstream Religious Franchise's interpretation of Col. 2:16,17" A religion BTW, which rejects God's Sabbath, something neither Jesus, nor Paul ever did. At least not the Jesus of the Bible.

    According to the KJV text, God's Sabbaths are a shadow of things yet to be fulfilled. I am not to let religious man judge me in my obedience to them, after all, they are of the Body of Christ, and not rudiments of this world, or religious traditions of men.

    As it is written;

    18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

    By your own admission, you don't keep this Commandment of the God of the Bible, therefore you don't know what you are talking about.


    But Jesus and His Disciples were.

    I would love to share my understanding with you regarding His Holy Sabbath. But first, why do you completely ignore the Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf "Because of Transgressions" on Sinai? Why are you afraid to even discuss the Scriptures I posted regarding this Biblical Fact?
     
  7. BABerean2

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    I am not afraid to discuss the Sinai Covenant found below.

    Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


    Or the fact that this covenant was not given during an earlier time.

    Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
    Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
    Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


    Or the fact that Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.


    Or the New Covenant making the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:13.


    Or the fact we are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion in Hebrews 12:22-24.


    Any unbiased witness here can check these things for themselves.

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  8. Studyman

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    Again, you omitted a most important part of this Chapter. Why do you keep doing this?

    Ex. 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

    They had already broke the Covenant of Abraham God furthered to Israel. How is it they are still alive? What had to happen before God gave them the Same Laws they already broke?

    Again, you are deflecting from my question. Why will you not speak about the Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf?



    My goodness, please answer my questions. Why are there still men alive "this day"? What Covenant did God make with them, after transgressions, that was different than the Covenant HE made with them "Before Transgressions"? What was "ADDED"? Of course, you can not answer.

    Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

    23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

    But they didn't BAB. They didn't "Obey God's Voice". So what happened. How are there still men alive in Duet. 5 after the Golden Calf? What Covenant did God make with them "Because" they Broke God's Covenant of Abraham that He gave them? What Covenant was "ADDED" because of Transgression?

    Why are you afraid to even discuss these truths?

    What was Cast out? Was "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul, and Love your neighbor as thyself, and all that hang on these", cast out? Or was the Levitical Priesthood with it's Sacrificial "works of the Law" for atonement for men who transgressed these Commandments of God, cast out?

    See, what is so frustrating is that I know you can see the scriptures I post, and I know you can see what they teach. But you can not accept them because in doing so, your entire religious philosophy is brought into question. It was the same for the Mainstream Preachers of Jesus Time. They just couldn't accept the Scriptures they had omitted from their religion.

    The Old Covenant is obsolete. You are just preaching falsehoods about what the Old Covenant was. I tried to show you in the Scriptures, but you reject them. I even posted God Own Definition of HIS OWN New Covenant, and you still refuse to accept it. Instead you are furthering an ancient religious tradition of the prince of this world, that God's instructions which define sin is the Covenant HE Abolished. When the Scriptures are clear, it was the Old Priesthood.

    Yes, a New Priesthood, with a New High Priest. God's Commandments didn't change, only the manner in which they are administered, and the manner in which transgressions of God's Commandments are atoned for. It's right there in your own Bible, if you would only believe.

    I am an unbiased witness, posting God's Words which defines His Own New Covenant, why HE gave it, who HE gave it to, and how long it was to be intact.

    It is you who refuse to accept anything, not Paul's words, Jesus Word's or the Word's of God Almighty, if they bring question to your religious philosophy.

    It's OK, I mean, I can only post them, i can't make you believe them. And I have done my part. To continue will only cause strife. I do believe God's Word doesn't return void, so even if you refuse them, others might not.

    I will end this discussion with these Word's inspired by the Christ of the Bible.

    Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

    5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (EX. 32:26, look it up)

    6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.

    7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

    8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

    9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.

    So according to the unbiased examination of scriptures, what did God do?

    Heb. 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: (Priesthood Covenant God made with Levi)

    5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

    6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (As described in HIS Definition of HIS NEW Covenant below.)

    7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

    8 For finding fault with them,(Levite Priests who Corrupted the Covenant God Gave to Levi ) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

    9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

    10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    Where is the Levite Priest BAB? He was cast out!!!
     
  9. a-lily-in-the-valley

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    I haven’t seen post with scripture directly calling the sabbath “a fast from the world”.

    The sabbath was created so we could rest from our own work and worship God. In the new covenant we are dead to ourselves and our work, we all fall short of the glory of God but the terms of the covenant have changed.

    I told you, I did observe the sabbath. Now I don’t. I’ve explained why. Galatians 3:24-25.

    I’ll also add that when I was observing the sabbath I had felt a question in my head asking why I don’t do this. At the time, I didn’t have an answer to that question. So I did it because I saw as a child through a veil. Now I understand more, and now I have an answer.

    I’m sure I did benefit from resting on the Sabbath as I’m sure I’m also benefitting from learning what it means to die to myself in the new covenant. I hope you do too.

    Jesus definitely builds a house on the sabbath, but not for money. 1 Peter 2:4-5.

    I think if you let go of the idea that you’re spending 5 days a week working “for money” and instead see how your tasks and even your pay is used “for God” you’ll be a lot happier. Not that any of us are perfect, but being perfected.

    I believe the new covenant supersedes the old covenant. Romans 7:1-6.

    The Levitical priesthood was established by way of the covenant given to Israel through Moses on Sinai. If you deny the Levitical priesthood you’re either in violation of the covenant or you accept that you’re under a new covenant. James 2:10.

    Romans 8:1-11.

    Then you would refuse to accept the possibility that a Christian might be driven by a desire to be conformed to the image of Christ, as well as refusing to see the good in another who may want to “fast from the world” as well.

    Nothing in the question was about money. Of course you are free to keep the seventh day of the week free from paid employment and money and all other forms of daily work that you feel separate you from God. It will probably be very beneficial to have that break. I told you, I used to do the same. It was good for me. I converted from paganism and wanted to keep the law. I kept the dietary law, I once removed all leaven from my home for the week of unleavened bread, I very much observed a Judeo-Christian faith when I first converted and I know God sees why I did, as he sees why you do observe what you do.

    I believe this is the “third use of the law” where by the Holy Spirit and by God’s grace we are led to do good works and our eyes turn to the law to see what is good.

    Freedom to do good absolutely includes freedom to observe the Sabbath. We all have our own deep need to be conformed to the image of Christ, and love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:10).
     
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  10. BABerean2

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    Moses did the breaking spoken of in Exodus 34:1.


    Exo_31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

    Exo_32:15 And Moses turned, and went down from the mount, and the two tables of the testimony were in his hand: the tables were written on both their sides; on the one side and on the other were they written.
    Exo_32:16 And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven upon the tables.

    Exo_32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

    Exo_34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

    Exo_34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.

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  11. Der Alte

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    I prefer sugar free syrup on my waffles.
    James 2:10
    10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    Please show me a scripture which states "When the annual feasts falls on the weekly Sabbath it is called a High Sabbath?"
    The term "high Sabbath" does not occur anywhere in the Bible.
     
  12. Freed Man

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    The sabbath was instituted as a day of rest to spend time with God and trust God for the supply of your needs instead of working in the arm of the flesh. We are not under the law anymore so what day you choose as a day of rest from work to spend time with the Lord is not relevant. The reason Christians chose Sunday is because that's the first day of the week, the day Jesus rose from the dead. And even with this, Christians do not have to be legalistic about what day they choose as a day of rest. In fact we don't have to be legalistic about having any day of rest at all. We're not going to lose our salvation by working 7 days a week. But it would be good for the Soul to have that day to spend with the Lord and get refreshed and renewed. We just don't have to be legalistic about it.
     
  13. SabbathBlessings

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    John 19:31
     
  14. Der Alte

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    Perhaps you misunderstood me. In your previous post you said "High Sabbath" and I said the phrase "High Sabbath" does not occur in the Bible and it doesn't. We understand that "high day" in John 19:31 to be referring to the Sabbath in passion week but the phrase does not occur in the Bible.
     
  15. Studyman

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    Isaiah 58, that the Spirit of Christ inspired, is where much of my understanding to His Holy Sabbath comes from. He defines it as a Fast in these Scriptures. Since I believe in the Christ of the Bible, I also believe these Word's He Inspired for my admonition.

    8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

    My Faith comes from the Word's of the God of the Bible, not the religions of this world. This is why I cling to Him, and also why we disagree.

    No, that is not accurate. We should allow the Christ of the Bible, and the Word's HE inspired to tell us why God created HIS Holy Sabbath.

    We are to obey and worship God every Day, Yes? And do our own work every day but Saturday. Not because some religious franchise or religious philosopher says so, but because the Holy scriptures say so. The Sabbath wasn't about Worshiping God, social gathering in temples made of wood and stone, entertainment, or religious businesses netting billions of dollars in profits world wide every year. The Pharisees used God's Sabbaths for that. I just posted why God created it, for the 2nd time. His Sabbath Fast was created for us, to perfect us. We are at a difficult junction here. I am posting scriptures for their examination, most of which you ignore, and you are working to justify your own religious Philosophy. This makes for a frustrating and difficult conversation.


    Actually, according to the Inspired Word's of Christ Jesus, this was always the Gospel of Christ.

    From the very beginning we were told to "rule over our flesh" and we will be accepted. The same exact thing Jesus taught.

    Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    Who is the him here Lily? Is it not the Old Man that sinned?

    Gen. 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

    Is this not God telling Abram to "Deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow Him"?

    2 Chron. 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Is this not crucifying the old man?

    Duet. 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

    How can you say the Old Covenant didn't teach men to deny their sinful flesh, and become a New Man?

    Who taught you this behavior was only taught in the New Covenant? Where did God ever define HIS NEW Covenant as you defined it above?

    According to the Scriptures, it was the Priesthood that changed in the New Covenant, not the Gospel of Christ which was given to Israel, but they didn't mix Faith/belief in the hearing.

    How did "Though shall not kill" lead Jews to the Christ? How did "thou shall not steal" lead the Jews to their True High Priest?

    But the Blood of the Unblemished Lamb, sacrificed for their sins, A Law Abraham didn't have. This is the Law that was to lead them to their New High Priest, Christ Jesus. And when they found Him, there is no more need to sacrifice the Lamb, YES? No more need to bring an offering to the Levite Priest, Yes? But after they find Jesus to forgive their sins, they are Commanded by Him to "Go and Sin no more". So they would still need to follow the Commandments of God, Yes? So they would still need to "Not Steal" and they would still need to "not Kill". And they would also still need to "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy", unless of course they have made themselves a Judge of God's Laws, showing partiality. Did Paul not teach this?

    1 Cor. 7:19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

    Do you really believe Paul is telling folks to bring a goat to the Levite Priest for atonement here?


    Now I know modern religions doesn't preach these things. As Jesus Himself Prophesied. But they are still given us in His Word. So i am posting His Word's and asking questions in the hope of honest, unbiased examination of scriptures. In this way we can discern between the religious philosophies of carnal man, that the Bible says we will encounter, from the perfect, good, Just, and Holy PATH, the Will of God, that Jesus, the Author of our Salvation, walked.

    It's not even about keep God's Sabbath at this point, but understanding what the scriptures are saying.

    Eve was also convinced of the very same thing Lily. And by a voice who also quoted some of God's Words. Shall we not "take heed"?

    Gen. 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Break the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

    And sure enough, that is exactly what happened.

    6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

    Not only was she convinced God's Word didn't matter, but worse yet, that obedience to God's Word made her blind. And what is the first thing she did with this new doctrine?? She furthered this Doctrine on to others. Which is exactly what satan snared her to do.

    The Pharisees also claimed to "rest" on God's Sabbath. And yet, it didn't benefit them at all. Perhaps it is because they rejected God's instruction, and created their own. And it is true they also didn't believe in God's definition of HIS New Covenant.

    You know what I meant. Surely you know the difference between the work of "Seeking the Kingdom of God" and the work of this world. Are we really having this discussion?

    The Mainstream religions of Jesus time also polluted God's Sabbaths, selling wares and sin offerings on the Sabbath Days. I'm sure they were a lot happier, having their conscience seared with a Hot Iron. And the God of the Bible says 6 days, not 5. Jesus said all who are His will suffer in this life, even as HE suffered in this life. If we suffer for "HIS SAKE", that is, if we suffer in this world because we are not conformed to the religions of this world, but have offered our self a living Sacrifice to God, He promises to bless us. Most men, especially religious men, will not accept this as the Path that Jesus walked has few on it. They have found "another path" to be perfected by. One in which God's Sabbath is not observed. I believe there is only one path to salvation, not because some preacher from a popular religious franchise teaches this, but because the Christ of the Bible teaches this.

    Yes, I also agree. But where we disagree is the difference between your definition of God's New Covenant, and the Creator of the New Covenant's definition? But if "Every Word of God" no longer has value, then posting them as a guide is futile.


    You believe this because you have not been taught, from those who you choose to listen to, about the Covenant God made with Levi "Because of Transgression". Unlike God, the Prophets, Jesus, and Paul, you are refusing to Separate the Covenant God made with Levi for atonement, (Levitical Priesthood) from the covenant of Abraham God gave to Abraham's Children in Egypt, that they broke. I have shown you scriptures which show this, but you refuse to engage in an honest examination of them. And, of course, I can't make you engage. But for those reading along, I will post one of many Scriptures where God clearly shows the Separation.

    Jer. 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:

    23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

    So then, is this the Covenant you preach became obsolete?

    When did God "ADD", and why did God "ADD" the Levitical Priesthood Laws "concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices", that Abraham did not have?

    But sadly, you will most likely not answer, even though the answer to this question tells us what Covenant changed.

    If God's Law is Spiritual, but the LAW of the Levitical Priesthood is Carnal, (Heb. 7:16) then what would it mean to "Walk in the Spirit"? Also, in your religion, did Jesus "Walk in the Spirit"? And yet HE forgave Sins without a Levite Priest, and without sprinkling Blood on the Alter.

    So then, either the New Covenant is a New Priesthood, or if the Levitical Priesthood Covenant can not be separated from God's Laws, then Jesus is a transgressor. So this is another question I am hoping you will answer.

    The whole purpose of repentance and "Turning to God", is to be conformed to the image of Christ, in my view.

    Phil. 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    Did Jesus join the mainstream religions of the world HE was born into, that defiled His Father's Holy Sabbath, rejected the Law and Prophets, taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, transgressed the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions, created their own High Days and omitted the Weightier matter of the Law, like Judgment, Mercy and Faith?

    No Lily, Jesus did none of these things. So how is my joining religions of this world I was born into, that do all these things, and more, "conforming to the Image of Christ"?

    Again, a difficult question to answer honestly.

    Yes, money and selfishness is the reason why most are not willing to honor God in His Holy Sabbath. As the Christ of the Bible inspired Isaiah to tell us.

    Is. 58:3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.


    They just can't believe God will provide for them if they trust Him regarding His Commandment. But really, it seems foolishness to compare helping a brother in need, or lifting a neighbors horse which has fallen in pit, with making time and a half for overtime, or participating in opening day of trout season, in a world that doesn't now, nor has ever, given a hoot about the God of the Bible, or His Commandments.

    You wouldn't be the first person who was turned away from the God of the Bible by trusting in another voice which also quoted some of God's Word. The broad Path is full of folks who refused to "Endure to the end", choosing instead to follow an easier path with more folks walking it..

    Well is sounds religious, and it does conform to the religions of this world. But, of course, such a teaching is found nowhere in the Bible. So you can therefore provide no Spiritual Support for such a teaching.

    Convincing others that God's Word doesn't matter, or that man's definition of good supersedes God's definition of Good, is not loving others.

    You also omitted an important part of Paul's teaching here.

    Rom. 10:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

    9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    On this the entire Bible Agrees.

    1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    For me, knowing the Scriptures and being able to Live by them all as Jesus instructed, is important. As opposed to only considering the Scriptures accepted by this religious franchise, or that. It IS the only way to discern if a religious philosophy is from God, or the prince of this world.

    I know you are deceived as to what the New Covenant is and am trying to promote a discussion which includes an examination of Scriptures. Jesus, Paul and Peter also met with the religions of the land they were born into, and also attempted to reason with them in the Scriptures.

    Not to shove some religious philosophy on to you, but to examine scriptures together so we can be convinced in our own mind, what doctrines are from the Christ of the Bible, and what doctrines are from the philosophies of carnal man.
     
  16. Studyman

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    Really, are you really sticking to this nonsense. So then, in your religious philosophy, the Golden Calf have nothing to do with the symbolism of breaking God's Covenant.

    LOL, It was Moses fault. LOL

    So then Moses went up the SECOND time, not to find atonement for the Children of Israel, but because Moses Broke the Tablets of Stone.

    LOL, OK BAB,

    Thanks for the lesson.
     
  17. a-lily-in-the-valley

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    So in other words, there is no scripture directly calling the sabbath “a fast from the world” as I said. This is the second time you’ve twisted a response to what I’ve said into what you wanted to say. I’m glad you mentioned Eve in the post because I can’t stand manipulation of scripture.

    Manipulation isn’t interpretation. It’s not application either. We all interpret and apply scripture to our lives and I don’t take any issue with the fact that you have your interpretation.

    Manipulation is when you say “scripture says” and then don’t follow that up with a direct quote or value equivalent paraphrase. Manipulation is “scripture says (my interpretation and application of scripture)” thus conflating the two and giving the impression that disagreeing with your interpretation of scripture in favour of an alternative interpretation which can also be supported is disagreement with scripture, rather than with you.

    I was trying to discuss a very specific phrase you used multiple times and that very specific phrase doesn’t appear in scripture, as I said. The word “fast” does appear but instead of admitting that you were applying interpretation to get from “fast” to “fast from the world” you then switched the subject to faith in Christ as if believing your interpretation of “fast” to mean “a fast from the world” is directly linked to a person’s faith in Christ.

    Again, thank you for mentioning Eve. When I saw that, I felt it was manipulative and dishonest. It isn’t right and I don’t need to respond to the rest of what you say.

    Please don’t respond to this unless you’re willing to admit that what I said in the first place was true or else find the scripture that directly calls the sabbath “a fast from the world”.

    Not because that phrase matters so much, but because integrity does.
     
  18. SabbathBlessings

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    What other day are the referring to in this passage?
     
  19. Der Alte

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    John 19:31
    31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
    It was Friday/parasceue the day before the Sabbath. That Sabbath was a high day because it coincided with Passover and the first day of Unleavened bread.
    The Greek word translated "preparation" is parasceue, which at the time of Jesus through today was the name of Friday.
     
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