I haven’t seen post with scripture directly calling the sabbath “a fast from the world”.
Isaiah 58, that the Spirit of Christ inspired, is where much of my understanding to
His Holy Sabbath comes from. He defines it as a Fast in these Scriptures. Since I believe in the Christ of the Bible, I also believe these Word's He Inspired for my admonition.
8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
My Faith comes from the Word's of the God of the Bible, not the religions of this world. This is why I cling to Him, and also why we disagree.
The sabbath was created so we could rest from our own work and worship God.
No, that is not accurate. We should allow the Christ of the Bible, and the Word's HE inspired to tell us why God created HIS Holy Sabbath.
We are to obey and worship God every Day, Yes? And do our own work every day but Saturday. Not because some religious franchise or religious philosopher says so, but because the Holy scriptures say so. The Sabbath wasn't about Worshiping God, social gathering in temples made of wood and stone, entertainment, or religious businesses netting billions of dollars in profits world wide every year. The Pharisees used God's Sabbaths for that. I just posted why God created it, for the 2nd time. His Sabbath Fast was created for us, to perfect us. We are at a difficult junction here. I am posting scriptures for their examination, most of which you ignore, and you are working to justify your own religious Philosophy. This makes for a frustrating and difficult conversation.
In the new covenant we are dead to ourselves and our work, we all fall short of the glory of God but the terms of the covenant have changed.
Actually, according to the Inspired Word's of Christ Jesus, this was always the Gospel of Christ.
From the very beginning we were told to "rule over our flesh" and we will be accepted. The same exact thing Jesus taught.
Gen. 4:
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Who is the him here Lily? Is it not the Old Man that sinned?
Gen. 12:
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
Is this not God telling Abram to "Deny himself, pick up his cross, and follow Him"?
2 Chron. 7:
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Is this not crucifying the old man?
Duet. 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
How can you say the Old Covenant didn't teach men to deny their sinful flesh, and become a New Man?
Who taught you this behavior was only taught in the New Covenant? Where did God ever define HIS NEW Covenant as you defined it above?
According to the Scriptures, it was the Priesthood that changed in the New Covenant, not the Gospel of Christ which was given to Israel, but they didn't mix Faith/belief in the hearing.
I told you, I did observe the sabbath. Now I don’t. I’ve explained why. Galatians 3:24-25.
How did "Though shall not kill" lead Jews to the Christ? How did "thou shall not steal" lead the Jews to their True High Priest?
But the Blood of the Unblemished Lamb, sacrificed for their sins, A Law Abraham didn't have. This is the Law that was to lead them to their New High Priest, Christ Jesus. And when they found Him, there is no more need to sacrifice the Lamb, YES? No more need to bring an offering to the Levite Priest, Yes? But after they find Jesus to forgive their sins, they are Commanded
by Him to "Go and Sin no more". So they would still need to follow the Commandments of God, Yes? So they would still need to "Not Steal" and they would still need to "not Kill". And they would also still need to "Remember the Sabbath to keep it Holy", unless of course they have made themselves a Judge of God's Laws, showing partiality. Did Paul not teach this?
1 Cor. 7:
19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
Do you really believe Paul is telling folks to bring a goat to the Levite Priest for atonement here?
Now I know modern religions doesn't preach these things. As Jesus Himself Prophesied. But they are still given us in His Word. So i am posting His Word's and asking questions in the hope of honest, unbiased examination of scriptures. In this way we can discern
between the religious philosophies of carnal man, that the Bible says we
will encounter, from the perfect, good, Just, and Holy PATH, the Will of God, that Jesus, the Author of our Salvation, walked.
It's not even about keep God's Sabbath at this point, but understanding what the scriptures are saying.
I’ll also add that when I was observing the sabbath I had felt a question in my head asking why I don’t do this. At the time, I didn’t have an answer to that question. So I did it because I saw as a child through a veil. Now I understand more, and now I have an answer.
Eve was also convinced of the very same thing Lily. And by a voice who also quoted some of God's Words. Shall we not "take heed"?
Gen. 3:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, (Break the Commandment) then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
And sure enough, that is exactly what happened.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Not only was she convinced God's Word didn't matter, but worse yet, that obedience to God's Word made her blind. And what is the first thing she did with this new doctrine?? She furthered this Doctrine on to others. Which is exactly what satan snared her to do.
I’m sure I did benefit from resting on the Sabbath as I’m sure I’m also benefitting from learning what it means to die to myself in the new covenant. I hope you do too.
The Pharisees also claimed to "rest" on God's Sabbath. And yet, it didn't benefit them at all. Perhaps it is because they rejected God's instruction, and created their own. And it is true they also didn't believe in God's definition of HIS New Covenant.
Jesus definitely builds a house on the sabbath, but not for money. 1 Peter 2:4-5.
You know what I meant. Surely you know the difference between the work of "Seeking the Kingdom of God" and the work of this world. Are we really having this discussion?
I think if you let go of the idea that you’re spending 5 days a week working “for money” and instead see how your tasks and even your pay is used “for God” you’ll be a lot happier. Not that any of us are perfect, but being perfected.
The Mainstream religions of Jesus time also polluted God's Sabbaths, selling wares and sin offerings on the Sabbath Days. I'm sure they were a lot happier, having their conscience seared with a Hot Iron. And the God of the Bible says 6 days, not 5. Jesus said all who are His will suffer in this life, even as HE suffered in this life. If we suffer for "HIS SAKE", that is, if we suffer in this world because we are not conformed to the religions of this world, but have offered our self a living Sacrifice to God, He promises to bless us. Most men, especially religious men, will not accept this as the Path that Jesus walked has few on it. They have found "another path" to be perfected by. One in which God's Sabbath is not observed. I believe there is only one path to salvation, not because some preacher from a popular religious franchise teaches this, but because the Christ of the Bible teaches this.
I believe the new covenant supersedes the old covenant. Romans 7:1-6.
Yes, I also agree. But where we disagree is the difference between your definition of God's New Covenant, and the Creator of the New Covenant's definition? But if "Every Word of God" no longer has value, then posting them as a guide is futile.
The Levitical priesthood was established by way of the covenant given to Israel through Moses on Sinai. If you deny the Levitical priesthood you’re either in violation of the covenant or you accept that you’re under a new covenant. James 2:10.
You believe this because you have not been taught, from those who you choose to listen to, about the Covenant God made with Levi "Because of Transgression". Unlike God, the Prophets, Jesus, and Paul, you are refusing to Separate the Covenant God made with Levi for atonement, (Levitical Priesthood) from the covenant of Abraham God gave to Abraham's Children in Egypt, that they broke. I have shown you scriptures which show this, but you refuse to engage in an honest examination of them. And, of course, I can't make you engage. But for those reading along, I will post one of many Scriptures where God clearly shows the Separation.
Jer. 7:
22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
So then, is this the Covenant you preach became obsolete?
When did God "ADD", and why did God "ADD" the Levitical Priesthood Laws "
concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices", that Abraham did not have
?
But sadly, you will most likely not answer, even though the answer to this question tells us what Covenant changed.
If God's Law is Spiritual, but the LAW of the Levitical Priesthood is Carnal, (Heb. 7:16) then what would it mean to "Walk in the Spirit"? Also, in your religion, did Jesus "Walk in the Spirit"? And yet HE forgave Sins without a Levite Priest, and without sprinkling Blood on the Alter.
So then, either the New Covenant is a New Priesthood, or if the Levitical Priesthood Covenant can not be separated from God's Laws, then Jesus is a transgressor. So this is another question I am hoping you will answer.
Then you would refuse to accept the possibility that a Christian might be driven by a desire to be conformed to the image of Christ, as well as refusing to see the good in another who may want to “fast from the world” as well.
The whole purpose of repentance and "Turning to God", is to be conformed to the image of Christ, in my view.
Phil. 2:
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Did Jesus join the mainstream religions of the world HE was born into, that defiled His Father's Holy Sabbath, rejected the Law and Prophets, taught for doctrines the Commandments of men, transgressed the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions, created their own High Days and omitted the Weightier matter of the Law, like Judgment, Mercy and Faith?
No Lily, Jesus did none of these things. So how is my joining religions of this world I was born into, that do all these things, and more, "conforming to the Image of Christ"?
Again, a difficult question to answer honestly.
Nothing in the question was about money. Of course you are free to keep the seventh day of the week free from paid employment and money and all other forms of daily work that you feel separate you from God. It will probably be very beneficial to have that break. I told you, I used to do the same. It was good for me. I converted from paganism and wanted to keep the law. I kept the dietary law, I once removed all leaven from my home for the week of unleavened bread, I very much observed a Judeo-Christian faith when I first converted and I know God sees why I did, as he sees why you do observe what you do.
Yes, money and selfishness is the reason why most are not willing to honor God in His Holy Sabbath. As the Christ of the Bible inspired Isaiah to tell us.
Is. 58:
3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
They just can't believe God will provide for them if they trust Him regarding His Commandment. But really, it seems foolishness to compare helping a brother in need, or lifting a neighbors horse which has fallen in pit, with making time and a half for overtime, or participating in opening day of trout season, in a world that doesn't now, nor has ever, given a hoot about the God of the Bible, or His Commandments.
You wouldn't be the first person who was turned away from the God of the Bible by trusting in another voice which also quoted some of God's Word. The broad Path is full of folks who refused to "Endure to the end", choosing instead to follow an easier path with more folks walking it..
I believe this is the “third use of the law” where by the Holy Spirit and by God’s grace we are led to do good works and our eyes turn to the law to see what is good.
Well is sounds religious, and it does conform to the religions of this world. But, of course, such a teaching is found nowhere in the Bible. So you can therefore provide no Spiritual Support for such a teaching.
Freedom to do good absolutely includes freedom to observe the Sabbath. We all have our own deep need to be conformed to the image of Christ, and love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:10).
Convincing others that God's Word doesn't matter, or that man's definition of good supersedes God's definition of Good, is not loving others.
You also omitted an important part of Paul's teaching here.
Rom. 10:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On this the entire Bible Agrees.
1 John 5:
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For me, knowing the Scriptures and being able to Live by them all as Jesus instructed, is important. As opposed to only considering the Scriptures accepted by this religious franchise, or that. It IS the only way to discern if a religious philosophy is from God, or the prince of this world.
I know you are deceived as to what the New Covenant is and am trying to promote a discussion which includes an examination of Scriptures. Jesus, Paul and Peter also met with the religions of the land they were born into, and also attempted to reason with them in the Scriptures.
Not to shove some religious philosophy on to you, but to examine scriptures together so we can be convinced in our own mind, what doctrines are from the Christ of the Bible, and what doctrines are from the philosophies of carnal man.