Satan

[razzelflabben]

The Power of God in us is how we overcome the schemes of Satan not our own power alone.

 

[Lee Stuvmen]

Yes, I think he infiltrates the church as much as he can, and he especially likes to lead the elect astray.

To BE DECEIVED, one must believe lies as if lies were truth.

Is this not correct?


And it doesn't matter WHERE we are when someone tells us a lie and we believe it, does it?



Do we believe "truth" or do we "unknowingly" REJECT TRUTH to embrace accepted falsehood?

I say unknowingly, because if we KNEW it was a lie, we would have never believed it in the first place, would we?



Does anyone that seeks the truth really desire to be walking around telling lies as if they are truth?

I think not!




Were the people that thought the world was flat "stupid people", or was it a LACK OF INFORMATION that was the problem?




So how deep do you think that this "concept" of "truth" verses "lies" plays out?


Scripture tells us JESUS IS "truth",
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Scripture also tells Us Satan HAS NO TRUTH IN him.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



But the VERY HEART of the Matter remains;
it would appear that there is a "Great Spiritual Battle" taking place between "Truth" and "Lies.


And that battle is apparently over human souls?


Consider "TRUTH";
"TRUTH" has no beginning or ending(eternal)

"TRUTH" CAN NEVER be proven wrong.

"LIES" want to BE TRUTH

"FALSEHOOD" CANNOT EXIST in the presence of TRUTH!


Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.



You can pray all that you want, but it would appear that time would be better spent SEEKING OUT TRUTH.


Just remember, if the world KNEW TRUTH TO TEACH TRUTH, it wouldn't be "deceived" would it?

You can't teach, what you don't know can you?



When we realize that we don't know the truth;

A.) SIMPLY because we HAVE NEVER HEARD THE TRUTH,

(B.) Because the WORLD DOESN'T KNOW TRUTH TO TEACH TRUTH,

(C.) Because Satan deceived the WHOLE world(lacking no part)

Maybe we will start to question everything we have learned in this world about God, and our minds will be open to instruction in truth.

 

[razzelflabben]

To BE DECEIVED, one must believe lies as if lies were truth.

Is this not correct?


And it doesn't matter WHERE we are when someone tells us a lie and we believe it, does it?



Do we believe "truth" or do we "unknowingly" REJECT TRUTH to embrace accepted falsehood?

I say unknowingly, because if we KNEW it was a lie, we would have never believed it in the first place, would we?



Does anyone that seeks the truth really desire to be walking around telling lies as if they are truth?

I think not!




Were the people that thought the world was flat "stupid people", or was it a LACK OF INFORMATION that was the problem?




So how deep do you think that this "concept" of "truth" verses "lies" plays out?


Scripture tells us JESUS IS "truth",
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Scripture also tells Us Satan HAS NO TRUTH IN him.
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



But the VERY HEART of the Matter remains;
it would appear that there is a "Great Spiritual Battle" taking place between "Truth" and "Lies.


And that battle is apparently over human souls?


Consider "TRUTH";
"TRUTH" has no beginning or ending(eternal)

"TRUTH" CAN NEVER be proven wrong.

"LIES" want to BE TRUTH

"FALSEHOOD" CANNOT EXIST in the presence of TRUTH!


Revelation 2:16
Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.



You can pray all that you want, but it would appear that time would be better spent SEEKING OUT TRUTH.


Just remember, if the world KNEW TRUTH TO TEACH TRUTH, it wouldn't be "deceived" would it?

You can't teach, what you don't know can you?



When we realize that we don't know the truth;

A.) SIMPLY because we HAVE NEVER HEARD THE TRUTH,

(B.) Because the WORLD DOESN'T KNOW TRUTH TO TEACH TRUTH,

(C.) Because Satan deceived the WHOLE world(lacking no part)

Maybe we will start to question everything we have learned in this world about God, and our minds will be open to instruction in truth.

Prayer is a seeking after truth in that it seeks after God and relies on the HS who is our teacher. It just isn't the only way to seek truth.

 

[Lee Stuvmen]

Prayer is a seeking after truth in that it seeks after God and relies on the HS who is our teacher. It just isn't the only way to seek truth.

If one prays to be led to truth, is that not acknowledging one seeks that which is lacking?

If one prays for health, is that not acknowledging one seeks that which is lacking?

I guess it really depends upon what you seek to pray for.

 

[razzelflabben]

If one prays to be led to truth, is that not acknowledging one seeks that which is lacking?

If one prays for health, is that not acknowledging one seeks that which is lacking?

I guess it really depends upon what you seek to pray for.

I was speaking of prayer, the place of fellowship with the Living God not prayer the monologue where we give God our wish list.

 

[GosDontez]

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. Gen 3:1a

Satan, apparently, is a clever fellow. Do you suppose sometimes he tricks us into doing his will?

Again, not praising Satan (or am I? Hmmmm...), but the even more cleverly impressive trick is getting us to do our own will, when it's contrary to God's.

Is there any wonder, then, why he's an expert at wresting words?

 

[dreadnought]

Or stronger?

Perhaps, but sometimes the clever guy beats the stronger guy, doesn't he?

 

[GosDontez]

Perhaps, but sometimes the clever guy beats the stronger guy, doesn't he?

Well, that's just it. Cleverness is a strength, a mental strength. So it becomes a battle of words.

Case in point, the temptations after Christ had fasted 40 daya and was tempted by Satan. It became a battle of who was more mentally clever.

Satan had his words. His greatest weapon. But Christ IS the Greatest Word, so Satan was no match.

Since Christ is the Word of God made flesh, Satan's cleverness was no match for the cleverness of the Word of God.

Remember: Jesus' word-s are also his s-word!

 

[razzelflabben]

Well, that's just it. Cleverness is a strength, a mental strength. So it becomes a battle of words.

Case in point, the temptations after Christ had fasted 40 daya and was tempted by Satan. It became a battle of who was more mentally clever.

Satan had his words. His greatest weapon. But Christ IS the Greatest Word, so Satan was no match.

Since Christ is the Word of God made flesh, Satan's cleverness was no match for the cleverness of the Word of God.

Remember: Jesus' word-s are also his s-word!

Jesus spoke scripture...iow's not about who is and who is not more clever but who is and who is not led by the HS to speak truth.

 

[Honest Al]

Does he have allies in the churches?

Many

 

[dreadnought]

Well, that's just it. Cleverness is a strength, a mental strength. So it becomes a battle of words.

Case in point, the temptations after Christ had fasted 40 daya and was tempted by Satan. It became a battle of who was more mentally clever.

Satan had his words. His greatest weapon. But Christ IS the Greatest Word, so Satan was no match.

Since Christ is the Word of God made flesh, Satan's cleverness was no match for the cleverness of the Word of God.

Remember: Jesus' word-s are also his s-word!

I think in the end, though, it's about willpower - resisting temptation - don't you think?

 

[GosDontez]

I think in the end, though, it's about willpower - resisting temptation - don't you think?

Oh, no doubt. At the heart of everything we choose is will, or desire based.

Resisting temptation - desire to do so/will.

Giving in to temptation - desire to do so/will.

Just depends on which desire is stronger.

 

[GosDontez]

Jesus spoke scripture...iow's not about who is and who is not more clever but who is and who is not led by the HS to speak truth.

Ok...thanks for replying.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Satan, apparently, is a clever fellow. Do you suppose sometimes he tricks us into doing his will?

Paul was pretty crafty ehehe

2Co 12:16
But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit.

Satan appears to mean "adversary", where Jesus was an adversary to the Jewish Rulers and they were an adversary to him. It is rendered as such in a few bible versions:
YLT]Mat 4:10
Then saith Jesus to him, 'Go -- Adversary, for it hath been written, The Lord thy God thou shalt bow to, and Him only thou shalt serve.'

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"satan"
occurs 54 times in 48 verses in the NKJV.

1st time used in OT:
1Ch 21:1
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

Last time used in OT:
Zec 3:2
And the LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan!
The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

1st used in NT:
Mat 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan!
For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' ”

Last time used in NT:
Rev 20:7
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

Strong's Hebrew: 7854. שָׂטָן (satan) -- adversary, also the name of the superhuman adversary of God
Original Word: שָׂטָן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: satan
Phonetic Spelling: (saw-tawn')
Short Definition: Satan

Strong's Greek: 4567. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) -- the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
Strong's Concordance
Satanas: the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
Transliteration: Satanas
Definition: an adversary, Satan.

The greek transliterated word is eerily similar to the "Satana" band got it's name........

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[razzelflabben]

I think in the end, though, it's about willpower - resisting temptation - don't you think?

I would have to say, our effort combined with the power of the HS. One without the other wouldn't be enough.

 

[he-man]

It's Hebrew for 'the (ha) divider (satan)' (who brings division between God and man, between God's people, between the gods (angels)).
"satan" is not a name, you shouldn't write it with a capital S.

Job1:6 ha-satan, the accuser; the adversary; not a proper noun. Angels act only under the supervision of God and Angel's are therefore called "destroying Angels of God"

 

[dreadnought]

I would have to say, our effort combined with the power of the HS. One without the other wouldn't be enough.

Yes, I would agree with that.

 

[razzelflabben]

Yes, I would agree with that.

Trying to do it on our own is kind of how we got our sin sick world in the first place.

 

[GUANO]

Satan is the flesh. It's not an outside force. More specifically, Satan is the ego, not as in the "sense of self" but rather the sense of self importance and self preservation. Spirits are not disembodied souls or individual conscious entities, they are motivating principles. It's important to develop an understanding of Hebrew cosmology and understand that it's a representation of psychology. Demonology and cosmology is a representation of the psyche.

 

[GUANO]

Paul was pretty crafty ehehe

2Co 12:16
But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, crafty fellow that I am, I took you in by deceit.

Satan appears to mean "adversary", where Jesus was an adversary to the Jewish Rulers and they were an adversary to him. It is rendered as such in a few bible versions:
YLT]Mat 4:10
Then saith Jesus to him, 'Go -- Adversary, for it hath been written, The Lord thy God thou shalt bow to, and Him only thou shalt serve.'

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"satan"
occurs 54 times in 48 verses in the NKJV.

1st time used in OT:
1Ch 21:1
Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.

Last time used in OT:
Zec 3:2
And the LORD said to Satan, “The LORD rebuke you, Satan!
The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

1st used in NT:
Mat 4:10
Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan!
For it is written, ‘You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' ”

Last time used in NT:
Rev 20:7
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

Strong's Hebrew: 7854. שָׂטָן (satan) -- adversary, also the name of the superhuman adversary of God
Original Word: שָׂטָן
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: satan
Phonetic Spelling: (saw-tawn')
Short Definition: Satan

Strong's Greek: 4567. Σατανᾶς (Satanas) -- the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
Strong's Concordance
Satanas: the adversary, Satan, i.e. the devil
Transliteration: Satanas
Definition: an adversary, Satan.

The greek transliterated word is eerily similar to the "Satana" band got it's name........

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Lol the band is called Santana and it's named after the lead singer and guitarist, Carlos Santana and yes that is his name by birth.