Satan Rules This World!

[True Believer]

Here are some questions to the ones who believe that the devil still exists after 70 AD.

1. If the devil was “judged” and cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19 and still survived, would that make him more powerful then the Almighty God?

No because it didn't happen in 70Ad which is quite obvious to someone who reads the verse and recognizes that we still have death and hades with us. They are not done away with so neither should we think Satan is not with us

2. How can someone that has been dashed in pieces or put an end to, still exist, today?

Because he still exists just as death and hades still exist

3. If the devil still exists today, what is his purpose? What does he do? Does he just roam the earth with nothing to do, because he is powerless?

The same purpose he was bent on in the beginning. Getting people to turn away from worshipping Jehovah

4. Do you believe Scripture or not?

Absolutely 100% in it's entirety

Agape', TB

 

[True Believer]

( Jason)I forget, Ratio, was it in the 1880's, 1914, or 1975?

1914 was when Satan was kicked out of Heaven. From a prophecy which has a time line.
1975 was the end of 6000 years of man existing on earth. not exactly but somewhere around then.
Each time the WBTS mentions a time in connection with anything people(someJWs included) think they are saying it is the starting date for Armagedon. A good reading of their articles with these dates would show this has never been said
Agape', TB

 

[unbound]

1914 was when Satan was kicked out of Heaven. From a prophecy which has a time line.
1975 was the end of 6000 years of man existing on earth. not exactly but somewhere around then.
Each time the WBTS mentions a time in connection with anything people(someJWs included) think they are saying it is the starting date for Armagedon. A good reading of their articles with these dates would show this has never been said
Agape', TB

Specific dates mean and prove nothing.

 

[Ratiocination]

Specific dates mean and prove nothing.

Well I've just been having this same discussion with someone else. If the Jews in the first century had listened to the clear timeframes of the scriptures then they wouldn't have still been waiting for the messiah right up until 70AD. It says in Daniel that the messiah would appear in 29ad, and would die in 33AD and then the old covenant would come to an end in 36AD, with the preaching to the gentiles.
So yes we should take note of time frames if we are given them. This is the means by which we should understand scripture.

 

[Ratiocination]

First, I am not twisting your words. I am sorry if my pointing out the implication of your own words is offensive. Let me demonstrate this to you;

I have highlighted your OWN words saying that ALL things outside of Christian org are satans.

Then I responded with this.

Then you said:

T that I have replied,

Now all religions that are outside of the christian org., by default according to your post are Satans...ie Satanic. If this is not the intent of your post, perhaps you would like to clarify it for me. It is quite clear here for anyone to see what your posts were and what my questions were. I am sorry you are so upset but then so was I DEEPLY offended by the insinuation that any outside of the christian org. would be Satan's ie Satanic.

Peace,
Casi

Round and round and round;
Listen I don't even know you, nor have I ever spoken to you on this forum before, your interpretation of what I said is wrong. nowhere did i even imply everyone else is "satanic" this is your interpretaion of my words.
My entire family is not in the same religion as me, and i can tell you i do not for one minute think they are satanic, ok!

What do you mean by Satanic anyway?

 

[Cassiopeia]

Round and round and round;
Listen I don't even know you, nor have I ever spoken to you on this forum before, your interpretation of what I said is wrong. nowhere did i even imply everyone else is "satanic" this is your interpretaion of my words.
My entire family is not in the same religion as me, and i can tell you i do not for one minute think they are satanic, ok!

What do you mean by Satanic anyway?

This has become a circular argument and if you don't know what Satanic means I suggest you go to dictionary.com for help.

 

[Ratiocination]

This has become a circular argument and if you don't know what Satanic means I suggest you go to dictionary.com for help.

LOL, you never even addressed my argument! And now suddenly it's circular! Okay.

 

[Cassiopeia]

LOL, you never even addressed my argument! And now suddenly it's circular! Okay.

Oh yes I did. You yourself said in the previous post, round and round we go. So in that you said it yourself; circular. I have already answered you what Satanic is...meaning of Satan. You by your posts have defined what you hold to be of Satan. "anything outside the christian org." I can not help it if your own posts are creating a problem for you. If you need further help, I suggest you turn to google or dictionary.com. You keep saying that I haven't answer you. So because you refuse to recognize my doing so, this discussion is ended.

 

[Zippythepinhead]

Oh yes I did. You yourself said in the previous post, round and round we go. So in that you said it yourself; circular. I have already answered you what Satanic is...meaning of Satan. You by your posts have defined what you hold to be of Satan. "anything outside the christian org." I can not help it if your own posts are creating a problem for you. If you need further help, I suggest you turn to google or dictionary.com. You keep saying that I haven't answer you. So because you refuse to recognize my doing so, this discussion is ended.

Pinhead here. I like to revert back to the Church Lady on Saturday Night Live. Who is responsible for all you sinners out there? HMMMMMMMMMM. Could it be SATAN?

 

[Cassiopeia]

Pinhead here. I like to revert back to the Church Lady on Saturday Night Live. Who is responsible for all you sinners out there? HMMMMMMMMMM. Could it be SATAN?

In the immortal words of flip wilson.."the devil made me do it"

 

[Zippythepinhead]

In the immortal words of flip wilson.."the devil made me do it"

 

[Ratiocination]

Oh yes I did.

No, you misinterpreted what i was saying!
In effect, as i showed directly from the Bible what God has to say about what belongs to satan and what doesn't, you are really accussing God of calling everyone satanic. If indeed that is what he means when he writes these things in the Bible. I'll leave you to decide that one.

You yourself said in the previous post, round and round we go. So in that you said it yourself; circular.

You were reffering to my argument being circular, i was refering to your incapabillity of being able to address what the bible clearly says and carrying on accussing me of saying something both me and God are not.

I have already answered you what Satanic is...meaning of Satan.

Again, incorrect, you pointed me to dictionary dot com.

You by your posts have defined what you hold to be of Satan. "anything outside the christian org." I can not help it if your own posts are creating a problem for you. If you need further help, I suggest you turn to google or dictionary.com. You keep saying that I haven't answer you. So because you refuse to recognize my doing so, this discussion is ended.

Take your misinterpretation up with God, because all i did was relay he words.

 

[Cassiopeia]

No, you misinterpreted what i was saying!
In effect, as i showed directly from the Bible what God has to say about what belongs to satan and what doesn't, you are really accussing God of calling everyone satanic. If indeed that is what he means when he writes these things in the Bible. I'll leave you to decide that one.

You were reffering to my argument being circular, i was refering to your incapabillity of being able to address what the bible clearly says and carrying on accussing me of saying something both me and God are not.

Again, incorrect, you pointed me to dictionary dot com.
Take your misinterpretation up with God, because all i did was relay he words.

I take exception to your use of scriptures taken out of context and I have repeated myself continually. Cheers.

 

[Ratiocination]

I take exception to your use of scriptures taken out of context and I have repeated myself continually. Cheers.

At last! So where did I take then out-of-context? All I did was quote the Bible directly, you were the one with the interpretation.

 

[Cassiopeia]

At last! So where did I take then out-of-context? All I did was quote the Bible directly, you were the one with the interpretation.

You see circular. Your interpretation of the scriptures you posted is not correct. They do not say that all outside of Christian org. is Satans. that is your interpretation. Now...honestly. I am finished...chat away if you will but I am tired of repeating myself because I won't change what I have to say.

 

[disciple00]

Hi Everyone,

What do you all think about this;

Matthew 4:8-9
8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: "All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.

Could Satan offer these nations if they weren't his to give?

Also read;

1John 2:16-17
because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.

So when does this world "pass away"?

Any thoughts?

you need to read this verses also.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against PRINCIPALITIES, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or PRINCIPALITIES, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 2:15 And having spoiled PRINCIPALITIES and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

remember that God is soveriegn, satan himself must obey. if you can show me one example anywhere where satan has disobeyed God then i would really like to see it.

best regards.

disciple00

 

[Ratiocination]

remember that God is soveriegn, satan himself must obey. if you can show me one example anywhere where satan has disobeyed God then i would really like to see it.

You're not joking either
Ok, as this is the UT threads, lets go unorthodox;

Take a look at 1John 4:8 and see if you can work out the rest!

 

[yourstrulyjulie]

a quite often used saying at my church is "be in the world, not of the world" because the you are living in the world but you dont have to follow the rest of the world which is filled with sin.

 

[Ratiocination]

a quite often used saying at my church is "be in the world, not of the world" because the you are living in the world but you dont have to follow the rest of the world which is filled with sin.

Yes, thats exactly what the bible says.

 

[disciple00]

You're not joking either
Ok, as this is the UT threads, lets go unorthodox;

Take a look at 1John 4:8 and see if you can work out the rest!

I don´t see how 1st john 4:8 makes any kind of reply to what i posted earlier. you posted that satan is in charge of this world, i believe that God is, for, there is no power but of God......

disciple00