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Defender of the Faith 777
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Sorry, I was talking to Messenger. I didn't mean to say that to you. I hope your stud grows up with a heart for God. Just saw him on the forums.
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Messenger
Simplicity of Life
Hey Defender sorry about that. I started to quote bible verses about faith and works and got busy with the kids and walked away from the computer then just sent the small reply I typed....after I sent it you had already posted. Your post is very well stated. It came across that I ignored it actually you just beat me to the submit button. Love and God Bless. 
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Defender of the Faith 777
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DUDE, sorry, I didn't understand! If your kids needed to be tended to, don't apologize for having priorites! I completely understand and didn't mean to be rude. I was just kinda like, "O...K..., yeah". I wasn't mad or anything. Sorry about it if it seemed like it. TTYL Jesus loves you!
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Ok, now that we are all friends, lol, can someone please clarify this issue?
Am I absolutely saved if I believe Christ died for my sins, no matter what I do in the future?
Yes or No?
Am I absolutely saved if I believe Christ died for my sins, no matter what I do in the future?
Yes or No?
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Messenger
Simplicity of Life
If you truely accept Christ than Yes. It is a continous walk and prayers are needed as we journey in our relationship with Christ. God works towards the good of all who love Him. So you must love God and by loving God and loving his Son Jesus you will live according to his will. You will continually become greater in your faith. But you must keep that relationship going strong. BRB with Bible scripture.
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Defender of the Faith 777
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No, no, no. Man, I knew this was coming.
TTYL means "talk to you later"
You receive no condemnation if you're forgiven. s0uljah, fourth time bro. I'm getting a little jaded here of repeating it.
John 3:16
6:47
Romans 10:9-10
3:22-24 *
Galatians (chapters 2,3, and 5:1-about 7 or 8)
Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 8: (the very end of the chapter)
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TTYL means "talk to you later"
You receive no condemnation if you're forgiven. s0uljah, fourth time bro. I'm getting a little jaded here of repeating it.
John 3:16
6:47
Romans 10:9-10
3:22-24 *
Galatians (chapters 2,3, and 5:1-about 7 or 8)
Ephesians 2:8-9
Romans 8: (the very end of the chapter)
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Messenger
Simplicity of Life
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer remains sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mersey at the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay."
I can't type the whole book of Hebrews right now but a lot of it answers your question.
For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer remains sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mersey at the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay."
I can't type the whole book of Hebrews right now but a lot of it answers your question.
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Defender of the Faith 777
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I can't type the books of Romans and Galatians right now.
I can however tell you that this was written to Jews who believed in the Old Covenant, and that we will be punished after being adopted into God's family when we sin, just not via hell for eternity.
I can however tell you that this was written to Jews who believed in the Old Covenant, and that we will be punished after being adopted into God's family when we sin, just not via hell for eternity.
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Messenger
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John 3:16 very good but read on John 3:19 And this is the judgement that the light has come into the world, that men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
Romans 3:22-24 again good but read on Romans 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law
Galatians5....read on Galatians5:16-26
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh; for these are apposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you would. But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law. Now the worksof the flesh areplain: fornication, impurity, licetiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, slefishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control: against such there is no law. And those who belong to christ Jesus have crusified the fless with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us have no self-conceit, no provoking of one another, no envy of one another.
Read further into Ephesians and you will find we are to not boast of our works but we are to live according to the Holy Spirit...everything good is from God not from us therefore we shouldn't boast...this by no means means that works are not important.
Romans 8:12
So then, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you live. For all who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God.
Love and God Bless
Romans 3:22-24 again good but read on Romans 3:31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law
Galatians5....read on Galatians5:16-26
But I say, walk by the Spirit, and do not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh; for these are apposed to each other, to prevent you from doing what you would. But if you are led by the Spirit you are not under the law. Now the worksof the flesh areplain: fornication, impurity, licetiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, slefishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control: against such there is no law. And those who belong to christ Jesus have crusified the fless with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us have no self-conceit, no provoking of one another, no envy of one another.
Read further into Ephesians and you will find we are to not boast of our works but we are to live according to the Holy Spirit...everything good is from God not from us therefore we shouldn't boast...this by no means means that works are not important.
Romans 8:12
So then, brethren, we are debtors not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--for if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you live. For all who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God.
Love and God Bless
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DaveKerwin
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justification is by faith. Do a search at
www.gospelcom.net/bible
Search for faith, justification, salvation, etc.
You will see for yourself the truth. Check the word.
www.gospelcom.net/bible
Search for faith, justification, salvation, etc.
You will see for yourself the truth. Check the word.
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Defender of the Faith 777
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OK, cool beans. What are you trying to say?
1) Great. Lovers of evil hate God's message and light. If you were trying to get at that you must do a work to the finished work of Christ cause God's work isn't good enough, I missed it.
2) Great. I don't think we should overthrow the law. We should follow it. Matthew 5:16 and because we love Him. I never said to overthrow the law, I just said we don't earn righteousness by bribing God with our filthy rags.
3) Wow. You must have missed the importance of that section that said, "And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires." So if we are saved, we don't wanna do that. It died with Christ.
4) And the reference is... let's not discredit the verses just yet.
5) "but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body you live" #3 there, killer. Also, look at the verses after it, I just did.
I'm not going to repeat myself again, about justification through faith in Christ. If you wanna hear my viewpoint, back track to my previous posts. TTYL Jesus loves you!
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Defender...yes or no...will I go to heaven if I believe Christ died for my sins, but still sin through my own faults?
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Defender of the Faith 777
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Yes.
Do you believe Jesus when He said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, He who belives in Me has everlasting life?"
Yes or no? It's a faith issue.
Do you believe Jesus when He said, "Verily, verily I say unto you, He who belives in Me has everlasting life?"
Yes or no? It's a faith issue.
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Defender of the Faith 777
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All right. John 6:47
Did you miss all the verses I posted above and the explanation of James 2? True Christianity is knowing that you can't stand before a perfect God and declare yourself righteous. You can't bribe Him with filthy rags. He only is perfect, He alone deserves heaven. When Jesus said it is finished dying on the cross for you, He conquered death and the effects of our sins.
Please look at the post up there where I explained the verses.
Also look at "It's kinda sad really, but..." It's a thread I started where the truth stood unrivaled.
Did you miss all the verses I posted above and the explanation of James 2? True Christianity is knowing that you can't stand before a perfect God and declare yourself righteous. You can't bribe Him with filthy rags. He only is perfect, He alone deserves heaven. When Jesus said it is finished dying on the cross for you, He conquered death and the effects of our sins.
Please look at the post up there where I explained the verses.
Also look at "It's kinda sad really, but..." It's a thread I started where the truth stood unrivaled.
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I think you have a misunderstanding of the Catholic faith. They aren't saying that we build up good deeds, which get us into heaven, rather, they are saying both are required. Jesus did His part, and this life is about doing our part.
I think you have a misunderstanding of the Catholic faith. They aren't saying that we build up good deeds, which get us into heaven, rather, they are saying both are required. Jesus did His part, and this life is about doing our part.
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Messenger
Simplicity of Life
Defender--
If you have a problem with my earlier post...your problem is not with me. All I quoted was scripture you lead me to. Scripture has to be used in context. It is very dangerous practice to select verses to make it sound like we can do as we wish and be given a gift....We must give our lives to the God. We can't be bank robbers, sleezes...living towards lusts of the flesh....It just doesn't work that way.
If you have a problem with my earlier post...your problem is not with me. All I quoted was scripture you lead me to. Scripture has to be used in context. It is very dangerous practice to select verses to make it sound like we can do as we wish and be given a gift....We must give our lives to the God. We can't be bank robbers, sleezes...living towards lusts of the flesh....It just doesn't work that way.
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