Salvation is an Experience

[servant7777]

Stife maker, and definately not a Catholic, but denying scriptures by using the id saying Catholic

 

[servant7777]

You only quoted Scripture-I'm asking about you, about how you line up, how you actually comport yourself every moment of every day.

The verses answer, the friend loves at all times, and we pass from death to life when we love the brothers, not by stopping loving, and becoming dead, thats silliness

 

[fhansen]

12 No man hath seen God at any time. IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, GOD DWELLETH IN US, AND HIS LOVE IS PERFECTED IN US.

You and and God, only, especially Him, know the truth as to whether or not you've been so perfected.

 

[servant7777]

You and and God, only, especially Him, know the truth as to whether or not you've been so perfected.

God dwells in us when we love another, and that love is perfected, we know Gd is in us as He gave the Holy Spirit for us to love another with ( if you dont believe the testimony thats your business)


1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, GOD DWELLETH IN US, AND HIS LOVE IS PERFECTED IN US.
13 HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, because HE HATH GIVEN UNTO US OF HIS SPIRIT.

 

[servant7777]

Also, if the forum does not stop you creating strife on purpose, they have been highlighted and if no Christians here agree, why do they not want an end to strife.

 

[fhansen]

fhansen:

"And yet in this life we will not be perfected in love."

Hansen: "The truth is quite far from a person who thinks they've been perfected all at once. They probably need at least a few more years of incubation time in this life."

Yes, I agree with hansen there.

 

[fhansen]

Also, if the forum does not stop you creating strife on purpose, they have been highlighted and if no Christians here agree, why do they not want an end to strife.

Wow, pot meet kettle.

 

[servant7777]

yes Hansen agrees against scripture, and will not relent be corrected by anything.



God dwells in us when we love another, and that love is perfected, we know Gd is in us as He gave the Holy Spirit for us to love another with ( if you dont believe the testimony thats your business)


1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, GOD DWELLETH IN US, AND HIS LOVE IS PERFECTED IN US.
13 HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, because HE HATH GIVEN UNTO US OF HIS SPIRIT.

 

[servant7777]

How am I disagreeing with scripture, it is your words alone that do that. ( that is what strife is)




fhansen:

"And yet in this life we will not be perfected in love."





God dwells in us when we love another, and that love is perfected, we know Gd is in us as He gave the Holy Spirit for us to love another with ( if you dont believe the testimony thats your business)


1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, GOD DWELLETH IN US, AND HIS LOVE IS PERFECTED IN US.
13 HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, because HE HATH GIVEN UNTO US OF HIS SPIRIT.

 

[servant7777]

Its not isolated, you tried to say the sheep go astray all the time, and didnt agree to the scripture how the ungodly do that but the sheep of Christ never go astray any more

 

[fhansen]

Also, if the forum does not stop you creating strife on purpose, they have been highlighted and if no Christians here agree, why do they not want an end to strife.

Christians don't agree on a lot of stuff. But the forum disallows the teaching that one can achieve sinless perfection in this life.

 

[servant7777]

I wonder if Soyeong has the same id as Hansen, both mentioned on this thread about a journey today, and an experience ( how can strife be avoided when law is taught and when Catholicism is taught I wonder, seems like all this was designed to make the salvation and the forum debate on purpose)

 

[servant7777]

Christians don't agree on a lot of stuff. But the forum disallows the teaching that one can achieve sinless perfection in this life.

That's why you stated this:


fhansen:

"And yet in this life we will not be perfected in love."



Yet you cant answer about this:



God dwells in us when we love another, and that love is perfected, we know Gd is in us as He gave the Holy Spirit for us to love another with ( if you dont believe the testimony thats your business)


1 John 4:11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12 No man hath seen God at any time. IF WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, GOD DWELLETH IN US, AND HIS LOVE IS PERFECTED IN US.
13 HEREBY KNOW WE THAT WE DWELL IN HIM, AND HE IN US, because HE HATH GIVEN UNTO US OF HIS SPIRIT.

 

[servant7777]

We are perfected in love, or have no love of God in us at all.

 

[servant7777]

And if you think you are cleverly supporting the forum by showing it is against that perfection of love, you didnt support it at all.

 

[servant7777]

Christians don't agree on a lot of stuff.

Christians are Christians when they agree perfectly in the same mind ( of Christ in them) and judgement.



1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

[fhansen]

Its not isolated, you tried to say the sheep go astray all the time, and didnt agree to the scripture how the ungodly do that but the sheep of Christ never go astray any more

You made the point that sheep don't stray, but they can, and often do. Including believers, who are warned, admonished, and encouraged continuously in Scripture not to stray: to remain in Him, to not be a branch grafted in and cut back off, to do good, to be perfect, to be holy, to put to death the deeds of the flesh, to repent if one falls into sin, to love, to not leave the truth after coming to the knowledge of Christ, to feed the hungry and clothe the naked, to obey the commandments-all with eternal life at stake. Now, if you're perfect in such matters, with never a need for chastisement, then you may well love perfectly, because that's the only thing that would cause such behavior and obedience.

 

[servant7777]

Hansen: " And sheep stray all the time."


Gods word:

Psalm 119:67 BEFORE I WAS AFFLICTED I WENT ASTRAY: but NOW I HAVE KEPT THY WORD.

Proverbs 5:22 His own iniquities shall take THE WICKED himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.
23 He shall die without instruction; and IN THE GREATNESS OF HIS FOLLY HE SHALL GO ASTRAY.

Ezekiel 14:11 THAT THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL MAY GO NO MORE ASTRAY FROM ME neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but THAT THY MAY BE MY PEOPLE, and I MAY BE THEIR GOD, saith the Lord God.

1 Peter 2:25 For YE WERE AS SHEEP GOING ASTRAY; but are NOW RETURNED UNTO THE SHEPHERD AND BISHOP OF YOUR SOULS.

2 Peter 2:15 WHICH HAVE FORSAKEN THE RIGHT WAY AND ARE GONE ASTRAY, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who LOVED THE WAGES OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;

 

[fhansen]

Christians are Christians when they agree perfectly in the same mind ( of Christ in them) and judgement.



1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

That's how it should be-not how it necessarily is. The church, BTW, is the only place where such agreement has a chance to begin with-because it begins with the truth.

 

[servant7777]

I guess you left off being against perfected love, seeing as you had zilch to say about it.