Salvation Anxiety

[aiki]

You can know and be certain that you are saved:

1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have (right now, in the present) eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed (not "will pass" but "has passed" - an accomplished fact) from death into life.

Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives (right now, in the present moment) in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him (not at some future date, but the moment the "door" is opened) and dine with him, and he with Me.

 

[PeaceB]

You can know and be certain that you are saved:

1 John 5:11-13
11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have (right now, in the present) eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24
24 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed (not "will pass" but "has passed" - an accomplished fact) from death into life.

Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives (right now, in the present moment) in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him (not at some future date, but the moment the "door" is opened) and dine with him, and he with Me.

Are your interpretations of Scripture infallible?

 

[mcarmichael]

Are your interpretations of Scripture infallible?

The same letter it says "there is a sin unto death."

 

[mcarmichael]

Some of this stuff is self-evident, like an American's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[aiki]

Are your interpretations of Scripture infallible?

It is not a matter of interpretation but understanding simple grammar.

 

[aiki]

Here are some more verses which show us salvation is not just a future, heavenly prospect but an accomplished fact for those who trust in Christ as their Saviour.

1 Corinthians 6:11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Titus 3:5-6
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

2 Timothy 1:8-9
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

1 Peter 1:22-23
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

 

[faroukfarouk]

I don't think being on the wrong side of the tattoo debate will send a (otherwise) believer to hell...

It's not whether you're a tattooed or un-tattooed woman (plenty of both) but it's whether there is faith in Christ!

 

[PeaceB]

Here are some more verses which show us salvation is not just a future, heavenly prospect but an accomplished fact for those who trust in Christ as their Saviour.

1 Corinthians 6:11
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

Titus 3:5-6
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

2 Timothy 1:8-9
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

1 Peter 1:22-23
22 Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,
23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,

Amen! But things that get washed can get dirty again, as Scripture also indicates. You can fall from grace - refer back to the many Scriptures already provided in this thread.

And whether you like it or not, your assurance of salvation is dependent on your interpretation of Scripture being correct, and both you and I know that you are not infallible. There is a chance that you could be wrong, unless you claim to be a prohet who understands Scripture infallibly.

 

[CrystalDragon]

So it's Christianity fault, as a whole, that someones afraid of a part of it?
The fear here, of the lose of salvation, is unfounded, and misinterpreted, and what you say doesn't help to resolve the problem, it only adds doubt.

you're not looking at the whole picture.

Let's for a moment explore Gods point of view, he has made these creatures, these creatures do not like him, how does he make these creatures wanna go to heaven? Instead of Hell.
He doesn't, downplay hell, make it seem like not that big a deal to go there, he tells the truth, it's bad down there, not somewhere you wanna go, it is scary, if it wasn't, nobody would care.

It's the most loving thing you could do, if you have a child, you make sure you explain the full reality of the danger that lies ahead, anything less and you've not done your job as a parent.

With that said, as to why it appears that God scares people onto his side (which isn't the case but whatever), the inevitable question comes about as to, how is it loving to send people to hell.
And it's simple.

God doesn't send anyone to hell, it's a choice.
The bible says that everybody has the knowledge they need to get into heaven, they need only seek it out, and follow it. Simple as that.
It's doubt, like yours, and deers, that lead them astray, and the ultimate decision as to whether it's true or not.
Any realization other than positive is false, and is in line with a choice, from the point of disbelief, you have made a conscious choice to not go to Heaven, people would argue, I need more proof, when it's stated that the evidence is plain.

The question of whether babies go to Heaven or not, is not in my grasp to answer biblically, but I believe they do, because I do believe in a loving God.

The existence of Hell, is simply to punish sinners, everybody is a sinner, now how is it loving? It's very simple, Christ died to pay for your sins, and absolving you of your crimes, so to speak.
There's no requirements, or prerequisites to follow Christ, you simply do it.
And it's that easy, so it's clear to see that it really is your choice to go to Hell or not.

If God doesn't punish sinners, then he would be unloving, it's not fair to the people who have accepted Christ, no punishment means, nothing matters, do whatever the hell you want.

That's a really abridged, and sleep deprived statement I'll give, I can go more in depth later.

But I've seen you around, and you seem to have a real problem with God, and from the way you type, you almost look for reasons to be mad at him, and you also seem to ignore, or rather dismiss anybody who gives you answers.
The latter could be me mixing you up with someone else, as I often do that, but the former is true, at least from an outsider looking in, it seems you do have a real problem with God.

And that's what I'm trying to do, I'm not trying to vilify, or talk down to you, or anyone for that matter.
I, like pretty much all Christians, have went through this villainous God complex, mine passed rather quickly, as I have tons of time to think about this, and in a couple months I completely satisfied any doubts I would have, philosophically and scientifically, devoted literately all my time to it.

But I would like to talk with you, and we can hash some of this stuff out, and I can go in depth with what helped me come to a positive outcome, because of course the goal is to come to a positive out come I would suppose, because it would be quite sad to find out that God doesn't exist, and when you die nothing happens, making it negative.
So of course I would assume you want to put to rest your doubts, positively.

And I'm not saying I can get rid of the doubt, I believe that an absolute exorcism of doubt can only be done by God, all I can really do is perhaps shine light on something, or at the very least act as an emotional backboard that you can mull your thoughts with.

I would like to help you out though, if I could, because I did have some serious doubts, before becoming a Christian that I did not explore until I decided to become a Christian, and as I said I resolved mine quite quickly, and feel I can pass on what helped me to other people.

I'll go eat to these points individually soon, but I have to say I have MANY problems with the Bible (and in some casss Christianity, especially on here). I could list them all but it would take a while and I don't want to derail the thread. I could measage you though.

 

[faroukfarouk]

I'll go eat to these points individually soon, but I have to say I have MANY problems with the Bible (and in some casss Christianity, especially on here). I could list them all but it would take a while and I don't want to derail the thread. I could measage you though.

Interesting!.

Do you think, for instance also, that the Bible and what it says has problems with you?

(If you get my point?)

 

[CrystalDragon]

Interesting!.

Do you think, for instance also, that the Bible and what it says has problems with you?

(If you get my point?)

Could you clarify a bit on that? I have an idea of what you mean, but since my posts tend to be long at times I don't want to write a lot on it and then find out I got the intent of your post completely wrong. ^^;

 

[faroukfarouk]

Could you clarify a bit on that? I have an idea of what you mean, but since my posts tend to be long at times I don't want to write a lot on it and then find out I got the intent of your post completely wrong. ^^;

What I mean is that the Word of God searches us. Jeremiah 17.9-10:

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

This is why we need the Saviour. This is why he came into the world to save sinners. John 3.16

 

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