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I have a lot of anxiety and fear about not being saved but don't know how to be saved. I have been afraid of the unpardonable sin (Matthew 12, Mark 3, Luke 12), the mark of the beast (Revelation I don't know what even the number six by itself sets off impulsive thoughts), apostasy and wilful sin/leaving the faith for itching ears (Hebrews 6, Hebrews 10, mentioned in 2 Timothy and 2 Peter I think I do not know where). Also Matthew 7:21 (?) makes me nervous that not all faith and not everyone who calls Lord will be saved. Proverbs 1 also causes anxiety, and the scriptures about, "These people honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me." How can I overcome the fear, and "confirm my calling and election" and be saved and gain assurance?

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There are no works for salvation. The only work we have is to believe that Christ's atonement is total and complete until we leave this world. The Lord wants us to trust Him and has always wanted that, even in the Garden of Eden. It is about his character and track record. All the promises of God are yes and so be it in Christ Jesus. He is a safe and secure loving Father that we can call Abba, or Daddy.

Much ado is made about obedience. Elijah disobeyed God in that he only did one of the three tasks given him before he was taken to God in a chariot of fire. David disobeyed God in that he murdered Uriah to cover his sin with Bathsheba, yet he was called a man after God's own heart. Abraham disobeyed God by going to Haran instead of Canaan, and took Lot with him, yet he was called the friend of God.

Our salvation is based upon His love for us first and our love for him in response. Do you not love the Lord? He said he would never leave you nor forsake you. You would have to forsake him. Do you want to forsake him? I doubt it. Otherwise you would not express your concern.
 
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I was answering in the context of deer glow's anxiety though

I understand, just think it be better to say if DeerGlow has faith she will experience God's joy and peace. Which is technically the same thing you said in a nutshell.

Just clarification needed on my part I guess
 
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Honestly the fact that you're so afraid about salvation is a reason to doubt Christianity (at least it's a reason I'm doubting). A system that intimidates or terrifies you into it doesn't seem loving. You shouldn't be afraid about losing salvation. That's harmful to think.

If this is really what you think Christianity is all about, may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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Our salvation is based upon His love for us first and our love for him in response
I think we need to see more responses like this on CF. Seems like some people enjoy fear-mongering using reminders such as eternal damnation.
 
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I think we need to see more responses like this on CF. Seems like some people enjoy fear-mongering using reminders such as eternal damnation.

Yet again, the threat of eternal damnation isn't fear-mongering in the strict sense. It is true that if we don't believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior and LORD, we will perish in Hell forever. God should 'fear-monger' us into fearing Him in reverence and awe.
 
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Yet again, the threat of eternal damnation isn't fear-mongering in the strict sense. It is true that if we don't believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior and LORD, we will perish in Hell forever. God should 'fear-monger' us into fearing Him in reverence and awe.
Yeah and look at the result of that line of thinking with Deer Glow.
 
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Honestly the fact that you're so afraid about salvation is a reason to doubt Christianity (at least it's a reason I'm doubting). A system that intimidates or terrifies you into it doesn't seem loving. You shouldn't be afraid about losing salvation. That's harmful to think.

I generally agree with these sentiments. Although I would go further as to say it isn't a reason to doubt Christianity in general, but more to doubt a specific tenet of it: eternal torment in hell. Unfortunately, it is difficult for a lot of people to believe that God truly loves them and they are saved, when they also steadfastly believe at the same time that He will also hate other people (unbelievers) enough to see them fit for endless torture by fire .... even though the Bible scarcely has a verse to actually support that notion, much less say it plainly.

Said it a hundred times on CF, and I'll say it a hundred more. Eternal torture is false, Biblically unsound (it's utterly baffling to twist verses like Romans 6:23 around to mean something other than what they say in plain English; DEATH IS DEATH, NOT ETERNAL LIFE IN TORMENT, AND NOT "SPIRITUAL DEATH"), and most of all emotionally harmful. And the OP in this thread is just one of many living proofs of its harmfulness as a doctrine. How many threads elsewhere in this community can we find where believers have expressed emotional and mental duress over their salvation status with God, hinting or outright saying that it is because of the eternal torment doctrine? I have seen probably twenty or thirty such threads in just the three years I have been a member here.
 
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Yeah and look at the result of that line of thinking with Deer Glow.
Well, it is an important issue, like I said to CrystalDragon. I worry about losing my driving liscence, how much more eternal salvation? Causing fear for no reason I would dislike but we can't pick and choose what will be true either.

Edit: I feel like my last sentence was mean and retract it.
 
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Wow, look at all these replies. There's like about 22 of them in an hour. These people must care about you DGlow.

I have a lot of anxiety and fear about not being saved but don't know how to be saved.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son,
that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.


That whoever believes. Just believe. That's all you have to do. I know it sounds too simple to be true. Because even just a simple belief in Jesus is a gift from the Father. "A man can receive nothing except it is given him from the heaven. This means that you are like me, we were picked by the Father from before the foundation of the universe.

"For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son,

"And those whom he predestined he also called,


I still think that the "lost" wouldn't even be here right now worried about it. Those who He did NOT predestine, He did NOT call. Those people don't even care about it because they don't believe. God gives them over, and over and over again to a (you know what) mind. You'll be fine DeerGlow, I'll bet you any money. Or one of my Mom's stuffed green peppers when we get to New Jerusalem.

:)
 
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Dear DeerGlow,

Your anxieties about salvation show that you fear God, that you love God, that you have the Spirit and you are saved.

Listen, it's about grace. It's what Jesus DID, not anything we could DO.

I hope this short video will help you.
 
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Dear DeerGlow,

Your anxieties about salvation show that you fear God, that you love God, that you have the Spirit and you are saved.

Listen, it's about grace. It's what Jesus DID, not anything we could DO.

I hope this short video will help you.
I can't really play a video now but later I'll look.
 
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How many threads elsewhere in this community can we find where believers have expressed emotional and mental duress over their salvation status with God, hinting or outright saying that it is because of the eternal torment doctrine? I have seen probably twenty or thirty such threads in just the three years I have been a member here.

Well said, friend. I've only been a member here for a few months and it outright breaks my heart, how many people (usually young ones) I see here who are struggling with utter terror that they aren't saved or can't be saved because they have doubts or fell away from faith or are simply battling depression and anxiety and dark thoughts and this fear of everlasting hellfire only adds the ultimate horror. I suffered from chronic depression myself for years before I re-found Christianity — and thank God I WASN'T brought up to believe in eternal torment for unbelievers, or I would have been a LOT more depressed and despairing and terrified than I was. :eek:

It may not be intentional, but it IS fear-mongering — that is the only reason the doctrine of eternal punishment gets perpetuated. It's the only reason anyone believes in it, no matter how sincere they are as Christians. It's all fear. (After all, if you truly believe in a God who mandates eternal torment for anyone who doesn't believe all the correct teachings, then you logically cannot bring yourself to think outside that box — that mental cage — because if you do, if you doubt or question it, YOU are putting yourself at risk of that same eternal punishment. So you just can't go there, can you? )

And there is surely nothing else that puts so many thinking, caring people right OFF Christianity as the teaching that everyone who isn't a Christian, or isn't the right sort of Christian, or otherwise isn't in the exclusive club of the saved, will go to hell forever. Thank God not all Christians believe that, or I for one would be an agnostic — one who hoped there was a God, but who wanted to be anything BUT Christian — to this day.

I'm not going to go into all the Biblical and theological reasons for believing in universal salvation / universal reconciliation — and that's CHRISTIAN universalism I mean, not fluffy "oh, it doesn't matter what you believe because we're all going straight to heaven" stuff. There have been two excellent discussions on that topic recently (under Controversial Christian Theology :p) where quite a number of brothers and sisters put those reasons forward in great detail.

But DeerGlow and all you other people who are suffering with this terror of eternal torment, please understand you don't have to. You don't have to. God is so much bigger and better than that — so much more powerful than those fears and inner torments, so much more powerful than even the greatest evil, let alone the hardest human heart or the most stubborn human will. He will break through to you and He will show you how great His love is, in a way you can no longer resist. As He will for EVERYONE, eventually... whether they want to know or not.

Resistance is futile. ;)
 
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Well said, friend. I've only been a member here for a few months and it outright breaks my heart, how many people (usually young ones) I see here who are struggling with utter terror that they aren't saved or can't be saved because they have doubts or fell away from faith or are simply battling depression and anxiety and dark thoughts and this fear of everlasting hellfire only adds the ultimate horror. I suffered from chronic depression myself for years before I re-found Christianity — and thank God I WASN'T brought up to believe in eternal torment for unbelievers, or I would have been a LOT more depressed and despairing and terrified than I was. :eek:

It may not be intentional, but it IS fear-mongering — that is the only reason the doctrine of eternal punishment gets perpetuated. It's the only reason anyone believes in it, no matter how sincere they are as Christians. It's all fear. (After all, if you truly believe in a God who mandates eternal torment for anyone who doesn't believe all the correct teachings, then you logically cannot bring yourself to think outside that box — that mental cage — because if you do, if you doubt or question it, YOU are putting yourself at risk of that same eternal punishment. So you just can't go there, can you? )

And there is surely nothing else that puts so many thinking, caring people right OFF Christianity as the teaching that everyone who isn't a Christian, or isn't the right sort of Christian, or otherwise isn't in the exclusive club of the saved, will go to hell forever. Thank God not all Christians believe that, or I for one would be an agnostic — one who hoped there was a God, but who wanted to be anything BUT Christian — to this day.

I'm not going to go into all the Biblical and theological reasons for believing in universal salvation / universal reconciliation — and that's CHRISTIAN universalism I mean, not fluffy "oh, it doesn't matter what you believe because we're all going straight to heaven" stuff. There have been two excellent discussions on that topic recently (under Controversial Christian Theology :p) where quite a number of brothers and sisters put those reasons forward in great detail.

But DeerGlow and all you other people who are suffering with this terror of eternal torment, please understand you don't have to. You don't have to. God is so much bigger and better than that — so much more powerful than those fears and inner torments, so much more powerful than even the greatest evil, let alone the hardest human heart or the most stubborn human will. He will break through to you and He will show you how great His love is, in a way you can no longer resist. As He will for EVERYONE, eventually... whether they want to know or not.

Resistance is futile. ;)
I'd like to qualify that it's not 100% all the right doctrines or hell. As in, I don't think being on the wrong side of the tattoo debate will send a (otherwise) believer to hell, however, how could an atheist who is not forgiven by Christ be saved?
 
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Yet again, the threat of eternal damnation isn't fear-mongering in the strict sense. It is true that if we don't believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior and LORD, we will perish in Hell forever. God should 'fear-monger' us into fearing Him in reverence and awe.

Yes, that is what God should do. Instead of unconditionally loving us (as he does) he should 'fear-monger' us into fearing Him? What a mischaracterization of God!!
 
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Yet again, the threat of eternal damnation isn't fear-mongering in the strict sense. It is true that if we don't believe in Jesus Christ as our Savior and LORD, we will perish in Hell forever. God should 'fear-monger' us into fearing Him in reverence and awe.

It IS fear-mongering no matter how much you deny it. "Believe or you'll be tortured for all eternity". That's fear mongering. That's the idea people have when they have anxiety over their salvation.
 
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I'd like to qualify that it's not 100% all the right doctrines or hell. As in, I don't think being on the wrong side of the tattoo debate will send a (otherwise) believer to hell, however, how could an atheist who is not forgiven by Christ be saved?

The way that I was saved when I was an atheist: by hearing and believing the word of God and being healed by my Lord from a debilitating medical condition.
 
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The way that I was saved when I was an atheist: by hearing and believing the word of God and being healed by my Lord from a debilitating medical condition.
I don't mean an atheist cannot be saved but someone who refuses to believe in God and dies rejecting Christ. Not that atheists cannot become Christians, but as atheists how could they be saved without God?
 
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I am afraid of having already fallen away or never having been saved.

Deer, from what I have read on OCD, and please don't get me wrong, I know I can't fully understand it, and that this is probably a lot easier said than done, but I'm convinced these are thoughts that need to be ignored in your case.

I know there are others here in this predicament, so can you verify that right or wrong, and if wrong, what is the answer?
 
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Deer, from what I have read on OCD, and please don't get me wrong, I know I can't fully understand it, and that this is probably a lot easier sad than done, but I'm convinced these are thoughts that need to be ignored in your case.

I know there are others here in this predicament, so can you verify that right or wrong, and if wrong, what is the answer?
What?
 
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