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My works will get me squat. Will there be people who “ know they are saved” that indeed will not be saved?
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My works will get me squat. Will there be people who “ know they are saved” that indeed will not be saved?So you do not believe, God when he has promised. that any person who believes in Jesus has crossed over from death to life and will not come into judgment.
So you are waiting for God to judge your works to see if the works measured up and you have enough obedience to receive eternal life
“We are saved by faith and grace alone, but we will be judged by works” John Mcarthur
James 2:24 "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
Those that truly believe will have works. They are works resulting from belief/love. Those that do not truly believe will sit in the pews.
Someone that truly believes will obey and get into a position where they can help the Gospel be spread in some form or another. Afterall, if you truly believe in God, in heaven and in hell, how could you not tell people of the terrible condemnation that they are under and how could you not tell them of Jesus great sacrifice. To not tell them would not be loving and we are to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. I would hate for someone not to warn me of such a thing.
NOTE: Our actions/works are an overflowing of our heart. So, the works we do are not to try and get into heaven. But they will be proof that we truly do believe and love God and others. Those that do not have these works may need to question themselves
My works will get me squat. Will there be people who “ know they are saved” that indeed will not be saved?
"For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14-
No born again child of God will be judged by their works to see if they are a true born again child of God. The only judgment a born again child of God will face, is a judgment of rewards they may receive or may lose at the judgment seat of The Messiah.
Genuine faith accompanies repentance and obedience . As James 2 says faith without works( obedience ) is dead and Paul agrees we are saved to produce good works Ephesians 2:10. If Jesus is really one’s Lord then like He said you will obey Him. We are no longer slaves to self and sin but slaves of Christ.Is obedience to God tied to salvation? In 1 Peter 1 I read, Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance: But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation.
Jesus asked, "why do you call me Lord, Lord and do not the things that I say?" So it appears that obedience is indeed tied to salvation but in what way? Those who are saved will be obedient ones, certainly the disobedient will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)
Yet none of us are perfectly obedient and if we claim we are, then we are being disobedient by doing so. I mistakenly thought that obedience was the way to salvation but it has turned out to be the result of salvation in my case. God saved me in Jesus Christ making me perfect forever before God even while I am being made Holy. (Heb 10:14)
Jesus taught that good comes from a good heart and evil from an evil heart. So I have figured that you can't make you heart good by doing good. No, it must be good in order to do good, so how does it become good? By being made good and that is Salvation. It is made good over time but counted good the moment we submit to God's will for our lives.
What practical advice can you share as to how you share as to how you increase your obedience to our Savior?
"For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14
"For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil." Ecclesiastes 12:14
Every person will face the GWT judgement. Your theology is wrong.Posting a verse serves no purpose if the verse posted is not addressing the subject being discussed. So explain how this verse is addressing God judging a born again child of God to see if they are really a born again child of God. Show where this verse is addressing that.
When looked at this verse sure resembles what will take place at the great white throne judgment, which no born again child of God will be at. Only unbelievers are at the great white throne, people who have never believed in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life
You need to understand the word "judgement" in John 5:24 correctly. The word means condemnation.What do you do about John 5:24, that is if you believe born again children of God will be judged. The verse states at the moment of belief in Jesus, the person crosses over from death to life and will not come into judgment.
Every person will face the GWT judgement. Your theology is wrong.
You need to understand the word "judgement" in John 5:24 correctly. The word means condemnation.
This does not mean that we will not have to give an account. We all do. But believers will not be condemned.G2920 - krisis - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nkjv)
G2920 - κρίσις krísis, kree'-sis; decision (subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension, a tribunal; by implication, justice (especially, divine law):—accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.www.blueletterbible.org
We will all give an account for the good and the bad at the GWT judgement.
In Matthew 25:32 it talks about how everyone is gathered together at the same time and then separated. The separation is the judgement.
Were in the bible does it say that we have a separate judgement?
Every person will face the GWT judgement. Your theology is wrong.
You need to understand the word "judgement" in John 5:24 correctly. The word means condemnation.
This does not mean that we will not have to give an account. We all do. But believers will not be condemned.G2920 - krisis - Strong's Greek Lexicon (nkjv)
G2920 - κρίσις krísis, kree'-sis; decision (subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension, a tribunal; by implication, justice (especially, divine law):—accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.www.blueletterbible.org
We will all give an account for the good and the bad at the GWT judgement.
In Matthew 25:32 it talks about how everyone is gathered together at the same time and then separated. The separation is the judgement.
Were in the bible does it say that we have a separate judgement?
We all go through the Tribulation. Any theory in pre trib, mid trib, or post tribulation rapture is not correct. Even Jesus said it was not so.
In John 6:39 Jesus said, "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing but will raise it up on the last day." And we know that the "Last Day" is the day of judgement. So, sorry, no rapture around the time of the tribulation.
Then in John 12:48 Jesus speaks about the non-believers and how they too are raised on the last day. "The one who rejects Me and does not accept My teachings has one who judges him: the word which I spoke. That will judge him on the last day." This aligns up with Matthew 25:32.
Another verse that points to no special rapture around the tribulation is in Revelation 20. In this chapter it talks about how the martyrs will come back and reign with Him. But this is not all the believers. This is only the martyrs. Rev 20:5. "The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection."
So, we are all raised at the same time apart from the martyrs. No special rapture and no special extra judgement seat for believers.
The problem with the idea that there is a special judgement for believers, and that we are only rewarded is that we then fill the church with people who think that they can just fill the pews and they think that that is OK. It is not. People are perishing and they allow it. This theory creates weak luke warm Christians. No wonder Christianity is struggling in this day and a
Incorrect.What has created the problem in christianity is that people are not being correctly taught that that to become a born again child of God, it is only by belief in Jesus.
Like you have exhibited your beliefs teach an obedience salvation, one that saves no one. Why because it causes the person to have belief in actions they are doing. But if at some point a person trying to gain eternal life this way (by obedience) does not exercise belief in Jesus. Then Jesus will say to them, "depart from me i never knew you".
Incorrect.
I believe and so I am saved. But becuase I am saved, I see how bad I was and I see what Jesus did for me. Just thinking about it gives me a great love for Him. What an amazing thing he did. And becuase I love Him, I will honour and obay Him.
Your beliefs teach that we can be pew warmers.
Would you disobey a God you loved?Is obedience to God tied to salvation?
It seems many are more sure of their salvation than Paul ever was.I believe and I am saved. The evidence of it is that God has given me new desires. I want to honour Him. So, becuase I am saved, I will do works. That shows that he has changed me.
"If I was to say that on my way here, I stood on the road was hit by a logging truck doing 100 miles an hour, you would say, “That’s absolutely absurd. It is impossible to have an encounter with something as large as a logging truck and not be changed.
And then my question would be to you what is larger, a logging truck or God.
How is it that so many people today profess to have had an encounter with Jesus Christ and yet they are not permanently changed." Paul Washer
I had an encounter with something much larger than a loggin truck and it changed me. Now I will do as God has commanded.
A question for you. How do you explain James 2:24? "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
Not if I can help it.Would you disobey a God you loved?
Yes! (And Jesus is indeed YHWH!)Genuine faith accompanies repentance and obedience . As James 2 says faith without works( obedience ) is dead and Paul agrees we are saved to produce good works Ephesians 2:10. If Jesus is really one’s Lord then like He said you will obey Him. We are no longer slaves to self and sin but slaves of Christ.
I believe and I am saved. The evidence of it is that God has given me new desires. I want to honour Him. So, becuase I am saved, I will do works. That shows that he has changed me.
"If I was to say that on my way here, I stood on the road was hit by a logging truck doing 100 miles an hour, you would say, “That’s absolutely absurd. It is impossible to have an encounter with something as large as a logging truck and not be changed.
And then my question would be to you what is larger, a logging truck or God.
How is it that so many people today profess to have had an encounter with Jesus Christ and yet they are not permanently changed." Paul Washer
I had an encounter with something much larger than a loggin truck and it changed me. Now I will do as God has commanded.
A question for you. How do you explain James 2:24? "You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
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