Saddam Captured

[elanor]

I am very glad that Saddam has been captured! He was a miserable despot who tortured and terrorized innocent people, and anyone concerned with human rights should be glad to know he can no longer harm another person. I do hope this reassures some of the Iraqi people who have continued to fear his return and any repercutions that might have come as a result.

I also hope this brings an end to the violence in Iraq, but I don't think it will--at least, not yet. Judging from the conditions in which he was found, can anyone really believe he was calling the shots (no pun intended)? I've been listening to some of the reports about this, and one man in Baghdad made a comment that chilled me. He said that the Iraqi fighters aren't fighting for Saddam. They are fighting for Iraq, and Iraq is still occupied. I hope he's wrong. I worry he's right.

At any rate, this capture is a good thing. It will be fascinating to watch what happens next.

And now I must add my disclaimer:

The above post not to be construed as unquestioning support of Bush's foreign policy. While anyone concerned about human rights should be glad to see the end of a despotic rule, that doesn't translate into agreement with an administration that seemingly has a poor grasp on utilizing diplomacy and working cooperatively with other countries.

 

[Douglaangu]

Any particular reason you never have any real answers. You always come up with "How Mnay", "a whole bunch" What if" but nothing of any substance. Just wondering why?

In terms of Iraqi civilian deaths in the recent war, we might not know for a long time, if at all.

Iraq to Stop Counting Civilian Dead.

 

[Blemonds]

One more thing DDLewis, I just noticed that you said you were at the 91 Gulf War and then go on to suspect what people are taught in history these days. I doubt that War History 101 is taught in the US military. I doubt that when you were marched into iraq that you were told about how the invation of Kuwait started.

Were you told that 8 days before saddam invaded Kuwait, US Ambassador April Glaspie met with saddam, and basically said that the US had no problem with Iraq invading Kuwait?

<A href="http://www.mideastfacts.com/saddam_glaspie.html

You're twisting the truth. She never told Saddam that the US had no problem with Iraq invading Kuwait. Read your own link

 

[datan]

yeah.
she was surprised that Iraq took all of Kuwait instead of just the top half.

 

[ddlewis86]

thanks milk man, but he asked "how many?" in response to my question "how many deaths has the US president, the CIA and US military been responsible for?"

The exact numbers are hard to find, especially for the CIA with their "covert operations" during the cold war. However we know that the US holds the world record for most number of deaths from one bomb - 155,200 died in Hiroshima according to Guinness. We also know that the Vietnam War, which would have been a small coup by the communist had the US not stepped, killed around 2 million people.

I know i cant answer blemonds question (how many?) thats why i asked it first, but these two events i think prove my point. That the US has commited despicable acts, perhaps even war crimes but it will never come to justice and will continue to evade international law.

So I ask again, When will the American people judge their own actions as much as they do everyone elses?

It's easy to see that you REALLY don't have a grasp on your history. I have NEVER heard anyone run to Guinness to quote a record of "historical events". Please. That's like a coffee table, conversation book.

You can't imagine the number of lives that were actually saved by the dropping of the the A-bombs. Japan was warned. They were warned again after the FIRST one. There was ALSO this little thing called PEARL HARBOR.

People die in wars. That is what war is all about. Saddam just flat out KILLED PEOPLE.

I'm done with this conversation. It's obvious you need to curl up with a good book and learn something about the contributions of the United States of America. It's obvious that you don't completely understand what this globe would look like TODAY without the United States of America.

 

[datan]

I don't think it is necessary to insult your opponent when making a point.

 

[datan]

ok...
and do you know anyone who thinks like that?

 

[Phileo]

It is good that this tyrant has been captured. It is elating to know that the ones who have truly been tortured by Saddam, will have closure.

Let us give God His glory NO ONE DESERVES TO BE GLORIFIED in anything but GOD, only He is worthy to Merit our praises. If you are grateful for the President... thank God for Him. If you are grateful for this man's capture... thank God for it. If you are grateful for the Armed Forces... thank God for them. If you are grateful...... thank God, praise Him!

Only a fool would believe that anyone (regardless of their dogma) would be saddened that this murderer of God's creation was captured. Are we fools?

Why bicker, insult and put each other down? Our job is to lift one another up as we exalt God. Let us pray that the lost of innocent life will cease, and that those who are serving in the Armed Forces will be returned home safely to their families and loved ones.

I am against all forms of terrorism, and I do not like war... but above all of this, I hate to see us who proclaim Christ... not treating each other in the way that He commanded. It's Great to be Christ-Like in America!!! We have so much love one for another.

I know we can amicably and agreeably disagree... I just know it.

 

[ddlewis86]

I don't think it is necessary to insult your opponent when making a point.

You are right. Sedders--I apologize.

 

[Helix]

I am really happy Saddam was captured, however those TV shots made me feel a little sorry for him, who knows what kind of mental problems or whatever this man had a result of being born into a system in which your position is defined as such.

But he's bad, and God Bless the USA, we are truly blessed and I am proud of Bush and our military.

 

[Dalexsi]

You know, I find it pretty amusing that those people who don't agree with the Bush Administration's policies regarding Iraq are labeled "Bush haters". I also find it hilarious that when people bring up well documented information regarding the facts that the US is at least partly responsible for what has happened in Iraq that these people are accused of visiting conspiracy websites.

It doesn't take a genius to do the research for yourself and to find that in fact the US helped SH to gain power in Iraq, indirectly supplied him with weapons and chemicals which he used to kill Kurds and Iranians while the US gov't turned a blind eye, and the US gave Iraq intelligence during the Iran-Iraq war. There's much more to be found for those who are willing to look outside their own viewpoints.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that SH was captured--happy that the Iraqi people can breathe a little easier. I was in the USAF stationed overseas during the first gulf war; I've served my country and I love the USA; however that doesn't mean that I hold the gov't up on a pedestal and think that those in charge can do no wrong.

That's my two cents.

 

[ddlewis86]

You know, I find it pretty amusing that those people who don't agree with the Bush Administration's policies regarding Iraq are labeled "Bush haters". I also find it hilarious that when people bring up well documented information regarding the facts that the US is at least partly responsible for what has happened in Iraq that these people are accused of visiting conspiracy websites.

It doesn't take a genius to do the research for yourself and to find that in fact the US helped SH to gain power in Iraq, indirectly supplied him with weapons and chemicals which he used to kill Kurds and Iranians while the US gov't turned a blind eye, and the US gave Iraq intelligence during the Iran-Iraq war. There's much more to be found for those who are willing to look outside their own viewpoints.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy that SH was captured--happy that the Iraqi people can breathe a little easier. I was in the USAF stationed overseas during the first gulf war; I've served my country and I love the USA; however that doesn't mean that I hold the gov't up on a pedestal and think that those in charge can do no wrong.

That's my two cents.

Could you at least provide a link to a "reputable" news source that supports any of your claims? If it would make it easier, could you provide a link that would support your claims that the United States provided Saddam with "Chemical Weapons"?

I find it amusing when those that oppose this administration make claims that they fail to back up.

 

[draper]

Oil? What oil? Is YOUR oil price declining? It should be if we're getting all this oil. M

This war isn;t exclusively for the purpose of getting oil.

Basically, ever since the Bush administration was elected they've wanted to go into Iraq and were just looking for a reason.

Georgy wants to go in because Iraq do have a lot of oil fields AND because he doesn't like Saddam too much because of what he tried to do to Bush sr.

He also wants to take Saddam out of power because its

A)Good publicity
B)It does indeed take out an evil person, I'll give him that much.

But the White House is run on internal politics and personal agendas, anyone who is living in reality will acknowlege that.

Plus, if you're living in reality, you will realize that the Bush administration picked and chose what information to give to the public and I read somewhere that Cheney asked the CIA to only give them information they wanted to hear.

Politicians lie. I'm not claiming every Liberal & Democrat who I support are perfect angels who tell the truth because they aren't, they lie too. Some of you seem to think Bush is a perfect little Christian who cares about the people and blah blah blah blah blah. I don't get it. He's a POLITICIAN. He cares about getting re-elected in 2004 and having a good public image.

And to the guy who said that I was all 'sour over losing the election' or something, I live in Canada, I had no say in the election and frankly it isn't MY country where same sex marriage and abortions are illegal not to mention a ton of other things I disagree with, so I don't care either way. But I just wish you people would quit ignoring facts.

 

[sedders]

ddlewis, appology accepted.

I chose guiness, because it's the only reliable source with an exact total number that i could find. If you have a different number from another source, id be happy to accept it, but as far as we know, 150 thousand dies from one bomb, a wmd. Also Japan was provoked by a US trade embargo, not excusing their attack, but they were provoked.

What I find most strange about your opinion is that when the US kills people, you say, thats war, people die in wars, and that kind of excuses the US from starting wars and killing people. You also say that by killing people with wmds you actually saved lives. It's quite a bizzare point of view if you ask me.

So how many lives did saddam save when he slaughtered the kurds?

 

[watt]

somewhere around -100,000

 

[alonesoldier]

This is getting pretty sick. Saddam according to Human Rights Watch murdered 3 million people. If 3,200 Iraqis died liberating Iraq and 2 million more would have died in the next 10 years.. or don't look at that, look at the 100,000 people we are feeding who werent being feed before, or the 4 million children we have vacinated. Don't compare OIF with the mass murder of the kurds. Not only is it uncalled for it's pretty stupid.

 

[watt]

yay more projected numbers based on inferrential data! thank you soooo much

 

[sedders]

Are you seriously insinuating that Bush is going to go in and take 112 billion gallons of oil out of Iraq? Where do you think he plans to store it, in Crawford , Texas?

Blemonds, you know that you (incorrectly) said the war cant possible be about oil because it would be cheaper to just buy the oil then spend what you have on the war (about$US87b i think).

Well my point was to show that you were wrong, as there is at least $US3.5 trillion worth of oil.

Unless of course you think you're going to spend that much to rebuild it, but i doubt it.

 

[alonesoldier]

Projected? Oh you mean infering how many people he was going to kill this year based on how many people he killed each year for the last 24 years.. Ahh now I see how that could be really shaky.

 

[watt]

im sick of you flip flopping, the war was not started for huminartian issues. im not saying it was over wmds or oil or anything, but it was not started for humanitarian reasons. if it were the un would have no problem, i think that is very obvious. the un stayed out because we didnt prove to them there was a threat. if we had taken a case of liberation to the un i see a very different outcome.