sabbath

[heweeps]

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Actually it is a promise of God if we keep any part of the law.

Its funny, to me the 10 commandments are a guide to love as well as holiness. I can keep them, because God is in me.

keith

 

[sabine homestead]

please help me , im looking for more christians that belive in the saterday sabbath , this is the right one , dont be decived by what others say , the bible says it many times . Jesus tells that " Think not that i have come to destroy the laws " . And if the spirit is not in you , you will not question the lie's we are feed . please help me find the few that see it , Thank You

 

[Kylism]

One thing I would like to point out for your consideration is the 10 commandments. Are they relevant for today?
Do we ignore the injunction not to murder or is it OK to do so?
Is it OK to keep some of them but not others?
...
I believe that the NT church did not pick and choose so they adhered to the Saturday sabbath. If the bible is our guide for faith and practice as nearly all evangelical denominations claim, then we should keep the Saturday sabbath.

If we don't, then it is a case that the bible is our guide as long as it doesn't interfere with our traditions.

Think on these things.

Well as Christians were are not under the previous covenant (all 613 of them which includes 10 commandments too).

Hebrews 8:13 says "
When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear."

Since the previous covenant Moses and Irsael made with obosolete; it is not in use, that is why Col 2:16 can say "do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of a feast, or of a new moon, or of Sabbaths".

Yet NOTE that a new commandment was given that now live by:
(John 13:34) A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

So God in us able us to love like how Christ loved us. Thus:

I will KEEP the Sabbath because it love that says do not over work yourself. Keeping it holy (pure) in this love of God in you shows you how and why to keep it. So if some do a little different no need to judge because they do it from God's love and for His glory.

Yet what day or when it starts is not important as long as you are consistant with God about what you do. Doing the truth from His love.

 

[sabine homestead]

Thank You Every One , im sorry if i may have gotton eny one mad . Just looking for like minded people , Thank You , and let me share what i found , there is in deepth study and info at churchathome.org and at cbcg.org

 

[heweeps]

(Heb 8:10 Webster) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

(Heb 10:16 Webster) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

"Think not that I am come to abolish the Law and the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them. Till heaven and earth pass away not an iota, not a dot will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:17-19)

"Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

The "remember the sabbath" is as important as "shalt not kill" but it is what God does in us. We can't do it in our human nature. Our human nature is evil. But when we are born from above then the Holy Spirit begins to change us and these "laws" become the fulfillment of Gods promise in us.

Those who are not born again reject Gods ways.

Sabine Homestead, you will not find many who are of the same heart and belief as you. Believe God and His Word and He will keep you. He doesn't change. If He did He would be a liar. Only man changes and he really doesn't he just thinks he does.

keith

 

[a pilgrim]

when is the sabbath

The seventh day. Our modern Saturday.

do you keep the sabbath

No.

what do the bible says about the sabbath day

Exodus 31
[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
[14] Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
[18] And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Now, if we are going to be honest with the scriptures answer the following questions based on the above quoted text:

1. The Lord told Moses to speak to whom?
2. Who was told to "keep" the sabbath?
3. It was a sign between God and whom?
4. It was holy unto whom?

If you answered Israel to all four questions, you get a 100!

The sabbath was never given to New Testament believers.


Also, on the previous page one stated that the church did not meet on Sunday until much later at the dictate of Rome. Is that so? What saith the scritpures:

Acts 20
[7] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

According to the text, they were meeting:

1. On the first day of the week.
2. They were breaking bread.
3. There was preaching.
4. They were taking up offerings.

Sounds like a church service to me.

Did any first century writers discuss the topic? Yes.

90 A.D. DIDACHE: "Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day: 1. But every Lord's day do ye gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. 2. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. 3. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, saith the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations." (Didache: The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, Chapter XIV)

Just some food for thought.

a pilgrim,
Ben

 

[sabine homestead]

i wish to please God and Jesus , Not the dieing lost traditions of men . You can have it your way , or there way , it's truely up to you ,,,,

 

[paul1149]

sabine, I applaud you ditching traditions of men, but even sticking to the Word, consider Hebrews chapter four. The writer clearly is referring to a spiritual rest in Christ, and then goes on to conclude:

So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, -heb 4.9​

The use of the verb "remains" there implies an understanding between writer and reader that something has indeed been taken away. What was it? The rest of the letter explains in detail that the old law, sacrifices and priesthood have been removed in Christ.

If Paul in Galatians puts even circumcision - which predated Moses and went all the way back to Abraham - as a strike against the completed works of Christ, how then do other things, such as the sabbath (and the tithe) continue?

On a side note to pilgrim, it's interesting to note that, regarding that Sunday church meeting recorded in Acts, the verb in 20.7 that the KJV translates to preach is actually to dialog:

- Original: διαλέγομαι
- Transliteration: Dialegomai
- Phonetic: dee-al-eg'-om-ahee
- Definition:
1. to think different things with one's self, mingle thought with thought
a. to ponder, revolve in mind
2. to converse, discourse with one, argue, discuss
​

This was not a sermon, but an open discourse/discussion. Here we have a meeting that is a lot less formal, and far more relational, than what the Western institutional church considers normal.

And yes, it was on Sunday, but that's a fruitless thing to get hung up on as well.

Be blessed,
p.

 

[a pilgrim]

On a side note to pilgrim, it's interesting to note that, regarding that Sunday church meeting recorded in Acts, the verb in 20.7 that the KJV translates to preach is actually to dialog:

- Original: διαλέγομαι
- Transliteration: Dialegomai
- Phonetic: dee-al-eg'-om-ahee
- Definition:
1. to think different things with one's self, mingle thought with thought
a. to ponder, revolve in mind
2. to converse, discourse with one, argue, discuss
​

This was not a sermon, but an open discourse/discussion. Here we have a meeting that is a lot less formal, and far more relational, than what the Western institutional church considers normal.

And yes, it was on Sunday, but that's a fruitless thing to get hung up on as well.

Be blessed,
p.

Let me clarify, that I don't think a "genuine church service" has to line up with our concept of a "traditional church service." I would have no problem with a dialog, or discussion. My family and I house church and our service have flexibility that is very liberating to meet the need of the hour.

Furthermore, I don't think the meeting has to be on "Sunday." It was just a time when they did meet, but there is NO instruction in the NT when to meet. Thanks for your observations, P.

a pilgrim,
Ben

 

[paul1149]

Thanks, Ben. Let me clarify as well. It sounded like it, but I wasn't trying to correct anything you had said. I simply wanted to give more insight into the dialoging aspect, and to add my own feelings about the lack of legalism believers in Christ are blessed with. I wasn't trying to imply that you had said otherwise, but I fell into the trap of sounding like I was correcting you. It's an easy forum trap, that I frequently see, and I need to think further on that, how to make clear that I'm agreeing and only adding extra info.

So, sorry for the confusion. I'm also delighted you house church. I wish I had one, and am working on it.

Blessings,
p.

 

[a pilgrim]

Amen, Bro. Paul, no offense here. I appreciate your points from Hebrews. Another way to consider it is that under the Old Covenant, the sabbath was a day, under the New Covenant, the sabbath is a person...Jesus Christ.

Matt. 11
[28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest [sabbath, insert mine.]
[29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Matt. 12
[1] At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, [which was contrary to the sabbath, it is work, insert mine,] and to eat.
[2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
[3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
[5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6] But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7] But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

You must get ahold of the great truth:

Col. 2
[14] Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[15] And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The sabbath is a shadow, Christ is the reality. The sabbath was a law, Christ is he who came to fulfill the law in himself.

 

[Episaw]

Also, on the previous page one stated that the church did not meet on Sunday until much later at the dictate of Rome. Is that so? What saith the scritpures:

Acts 20
[7] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians
[2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

According to the text, they were meeting:

1. On the first day of the week.
2. They were breaking bread.
3. There was preaching.
4. They were taking up offerings.

Sounds like a church service to me.

It is comments like this that show how easy we apply tradition and culture to understanding scripture. We have a tendancy to make scripture line up with our beliefs rather than making our beliefs line up with scripture.

1. On the first day of the week. The Greek can mean "one day of the week."

2. Breaking bread means a meal. In the Middle East if you invite someone round for a meal you invite them to break bread.

3. There was preaching (or speaking). But there is no indication that it was from a pulpit in a public building.

4. They were taking up offerings. No they weren't. They were asked to put money aside each week as the Lord had blessed them and to store it so that they would not have to find the money when Paul visited. All they had to do was hand it over. And please note. Nothing about tithing.

5. Sounds like a church service to me. If you are talking about modern day services the answer is definitely no. They were unknown in the NT.

When we subject scripture to tradition and culture, it is very difficult to make any sense of what the scripture actually says because we are not open to Holy Spirit revelation.

 

[a pilgrim]

It is comments like this that show how easy we apply tradition and culture to understanding scripture. We have a tendancy to make scripture line up with our beliefs rather than making our beliefs line up with scripture.

1. On the first day of the week. The Greek can mean "one day of the week."

2. Breaking bread means a meal. In the Middle East if you invite someone round for a meal you invite them to break bread.

3. There was preaching (or speaking). But there is no indication that it was from a pulpit in a public building.

4. They were taking up offerings. No they weren't. They were asked to put money aside each week as the Lord had blessed them and to store it so that they would not have to find the money when Paul visited. All they had to do was hand it over. And please note. Nothing about tithing.

5. Sounds like a church service to me. If you are talking about modern day services the answer is definitely no. They were unknown in the NT.

When we subject scripture to tradition and culture, it is very difficult to make any sense of what the scripture actually says because we are not open to Holy Spirit revelation.

As I said on page three of this discussioin:

Let me clarify, that I don't think a "genuine church service" has to line up with our concept of a "traditional church service." I would have no problem with a dialog, or discussion. My family and I house church and our service have flexibility that is very liberating to meet the need of the hour.

Furthermore, I don't think the meeting has to be on "Sunday." It was just a time when they did meet, but there is NO instruction in the NT when to meet. Thanks for your observations, P.

a pilgrim,
Ben

 

[Yitzchak]

The Sabbath was set by God at Creation. The Creation account lists the days as starting in the evening. This is why the Sabbath is Friday sundown until Saturday sundown. The seventh day of the week.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The command to keep the Sabbath which is listed in The Ten Commandments refers back to creation.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It was God's Commandment , not a person's Commandment.

Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

Some teach that the Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ. That is something you need to decide in your conscience before the Lord.

But to make fun of the Sabbath as something silly or legalistic or that kind of thing is to speak against something which God set up. This is true of the entire Old Testament and all of the commandments. God's commandments are not silly or stupid. They make sense. Making fun of the way that some people worship is not a strong argument and is not really right to do.


Now I do not keep the Sabbath the same way that my brother does. he is orthodox Jewish. But those who make fun of how my brother does it are wrong. Nevertheless , I feel that the Sabbath is fulfilled for me in Christ. I find my Sabbath rest in him.




This passage in Romans speaks of being fully persuaded. Whatever decision we make should be done in faith as unto the Lord. We should not judge one another or put stumbling blocks in the way of each other in these matters. It is important to not mock or ridicule or judge one another. It is a serious subject to live unto God in the things that we do including the Sabbath.

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

 

[bugkiller]

I am a Messianic believer. I prefer keeping the traditional Sabbath, Friday night at sundown through Saturday night at sundown.

Nice testimony.

Shabbat Services can be Friday night or Saturday morning. I was brought up with saturday morning.

Reasonable explanation of the modern day sabbath. But not the Biblical one at all.

The Sunday worship began sometime after 135 A.D., the change originated in Rome, not Jerusalem. Some historians take it to Constantine's decree on March 7th, 321 A.D., when he declared Sunday to be the day of rest (Sabbath).

Not quite so fast, there. It is a matter of record that Christians worshipped on the first day of the week as indicated in I Cor 16 and John's reference to the Lord's day. The Corinthinan refernce is around 55 AD and John's reference is around 90 -100 AD.

The one fact is this, Jesus/Yeshua NEVER changed the Sabbath...He never "said" to change it to the day of his ressurection.

True but the sabbath isn't required by the council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.

Jesus/Yeshua did say to Keep the Sabbath and keep it Holy. He was speaking of the Sabbath HE was keeping...which was Friday night at sundown through Saturday night at sundown.[/qupte] Please show where Jesus did this. I think you are going on hear say.

What He thinks about Sunday "Sabbath" I truly do not know...where does His grace lay in this change? I personally have no answer.

I find major supporting evindece in Acts, Romans, Galatians and Hebrews. I find minor (indirect) supporting evidence in the Gospels as well. [qupte]

What I do know is that I believe the original Sabbath day is what was intended.

I would love to see some support.

Human beings changed that.

Not necessarily.

Blessings

bugkiller

 

[Johnnz]

In NT times The Hebrews fasted on Thursday and observed Sabbath on Saturday. In order to distinguish themselves from them Christians fasted on Fridays and worshipped on Sunday - resurrection day.

It was a Messianic Jew and scholar who informed me that Sabbath keeping was commanded only under the Mosaic covenant. Paul facing this an similar issues advised:
Rom 14:5-6 5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. NIV

Do what you believe, but don't make your belief normative for others who differ. The NT church made its position quite clear. I follow that practice for the similar reasons - Jesus has made the Old to pass away within a greater fulfilment in His Person.

John
NZ

 

[Memukan]

Paul observed the 7th day sabbath 84 times in the Book of Acts. Yahshua observed the sabbath. Yahs Word does not change !

 

[a pilgrim]

Paul observed the 7th day sabbath 84 times in the Book of Acts. Yahshua observed the sabbath. Yahs Word does not change !

And here's why:

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." Rom. 1:16

Paul was reaching out to those whom he loved and came "from," the orthodox Jewish faith. God was giving them, "one last chance," before Rome would come in in A.D. 70 and wipe out all vestiges of Temple and faith, (in Jerusalem.) Here his heartbeat:

Romans 10
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Again, let's clarify:

Exodus 31
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
[14] Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

If you miss who that covenant was between, you are purposefully ignoring clear bible teaching, clear text. This is not ambiguous, this is clear as the blue sky. . . sabbath keeping is for Israel, not the church.

Paul went to the synagogue becasue that's where the Jews were. He didn't have to HOPE he'd bump into some, they were there.

Acts 17
[1] Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:
[2] And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.
[4] And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.
[5] But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.

Again, clearly, why was he there, at the synagogue on the sabbath? To reach the Jews, and he did reach some.

Did the early church fathers speak of this prior to 135 A.D.?

"We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead" (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

"[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e. Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death" (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

My question is: Why do that which is Jewish in nature?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28

If someone comes genuinely to Christ, they have become a new creature. Sure a Jew, nationally, is still a Jew, an American, is an American, etc., but in Christ, they are a new creation.

"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Cor. 5:17

"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature." Gal. 6:15

If Christ made all things new, then let's show the world the "newness" of his saving grace, not the oldness of the letter of law.

 

[Memukan]

Do you believe in the 10 commandments ? Ex.20:8....which is the 4th commandment; Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.Six days shall you labor,but the 7th Day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your Elohim; in it you shall not do any work, you or you sons, or daughters, man servants ,maid servants or the pilgrim who is within your gates. For in 6 Days Elohim made Heaven and earth,the sea and all that is in them and rested the 7th Day; That is why Yahweh blessed the Sabbath Day and hallowed it, that is made it Holy. Yahshua said; For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. You sir are ignoring clear Bible teaching since the 7th Day Sabbath has been observed since the beginning. Gods Word does not change because you or the " church fathers " said so.

1. You seem to think and not just you but the majority of Christians think the Older Covenants are no longer in effect. If you think the curse of the Adamic Covenant is gone then your not a farmer or a gardener. I pull weeds everyday out of my garden, they grow what seems like overnight. In Gen 3 Elohim said, the ground is cursed because of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life ; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground for out of it you were taken; you are dust and to dust you shall return. Paul write in Romans 8:19 the whole earth waits with "eagar longing"( it is groaning) for the revealing of the Sons of God.

2. Gen.9:8-17 Noah's Covenant....verse 16 When the bow is in the clouds I will look upon it and remember the "everlasting covenant " between ME and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. That is a sign that Elohim will never destroy the earth by flood again. So that covenant is still happening. Read 2 Peter 3:5-13

3. The Covenant of Abraham Gen.15:5 (the sign of the covenant)Yah said; look toward Heaven and number the stars if you are able to number them, so shall your descendants be. Abram believed Yahweh, and HE reckoned it to him as rightousness. V18....Yahweh made a covenant with Abram ; saying, To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates. That has not yet happened. Jer.31:31-37 Rom.11:11-32 Are we not Abrahams children by Faith in Messiah?

4. The Covenant of Moses. The sign is the 10 Commandments which we know are still in effect. They are written on our hearts. Jer.31-31-37

5. The Covenant of David. That sign is Jerusalem and this covenant is the covenant that manifest Yahshua Ha' Masheiac (Jesus Christ) as our King forever ruling from Jerusalem. The City of our Great King. So the Covenant of David is an ever lasting covenant which still needs completion. 2 Chron.13:5. Every covenant has salt in the cutting of a covenant which every school kid knows is a preservative.

6. The New Covenant sign is the Passover Cup and Bread. Luke 22:14-20. There are 4 cups of wine poured during Passover Sedar,
1 The cup of blessing. Luke 22:17 1Cor.10:16 .
2 The cup of wrath which is poured out, but the Messiah drank that cup in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross. Luke 22:42-44.
3 The cup of Salvation. This cup is poured to over flowing representing blessings of Salvation. Pressed down, shaken, running over ! Psalms 116:13
4 The cup of the Kingdom. Luke 22;18-20
So there is still a cup we will drink in the Kingdom there by keeping the Passover.

7. The Covenant of Peace which is the Messianic Kingdom. Isa.54:10 and Ezk.34:25-26

8. Then last we have the TRUE 8th Day Sabbath where we are forever with Yahweh and HIS Messiah. Revelation 21:9-27

Praise Yah!!! His WORDS do not change, We can put our FAITH in a GOD that Honors His Word above His very Name, that what HE says HE will do.

Memukan
Rev.12:17
Rev.14:12
Rev.22:14 Blessed are those who keep the Commandments that they have a right to the Tree of Life and they may enter the City by its Gates. Amen

 

[a pilgrim]

Do you believe in the 10 commandments ? Ex.20:8....which is the 4th commandment; Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy.Six days shall you labor,but the 7th Day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your Elohim; in it you shall not do any work, you or you sons, or daughters, man servants ,maid servants or the pilgrim who is within your gates. For in 6 Days Elohim made Heaven and earth,the sea and all that is in them and rested the 7th Day; That is why Yahweh blessed the Sabbath Day and hallowed it, that is made it Holy. Yahshua said; For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. You sir are ignoring clear Bible teaching since the 7th Day Sabbath has been observed since the beginning. Gods Word does not change because you or the " church fathers " said so.

You gave some great verse, Memukan, the sad part is that your read right over the clear answers. Yes I believe the 10 commandments. Please anser for us, God made it clear who the sabbath was for, Israel, not the church. I gave the verses above. Why do you ignore them?
The church fathers were just repeating what the apostles already laid down.

1. You seem to think and not just you but the majority of Christians think the Older Covenants are no longer in effect. If you think the curse of the Adamic Covenant is gone then your not a farmer or a gardener. I pull weeds everyday out of my garden, they grow what seems like overnight. In Gen 3 Elohim said, the ground is cursed because of you, in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life ; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground for out of it you were taken; you are dust and to dust you shall return. Paul write in Romans 8:19 the whole earth waits with "eagar longing"( it is groaning) for the revealing of the Sons of God.

Right, and I'll remember that every time I pull weeds.

2. Gen.9:8-17 Noah's Covenant....verse 16 When the bow is in the clouds I will look upon it and remember the "everlasting covenant " between ME and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. That is a sign that Elohim will never destroy the earth by flood again. So that covenant is still happening. Read 2 Peter 3:5-13

Amen, I'm thankful for that every time it rains real bad.

3. The Covenant of Abraham Gen.15:5 (the sign of the covenant)Yah said; look toward Heaven and number the stars if you are able to number them, so shall your descendants be. Abram believed Yahweh, and HE reckoned it to him as rightousness. V18....Yahweh made a covenant with Abram ; saying, To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river Euphrates. That has not yet happened. Jer.31:31-37 Rom.11:11-32 Are we not Abrahams children by Faith in Messiah?

We are Abrahams children by faith, and by faith receive righteousness throught the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary, plus nothing, minus nothing. The Land is for the Jews, not the church.

4. The Covenant of Moses. The sign is the 10 Commandments which we know are still in effect. They are written on our hearts. Jer.31-31-37

And, in the words of Moses a sign between god and Israel.

5. The Covenant of David. That sign is Jerusalem and this covenant is the covenant that manifest Yahshua Ha' Masheiac (Jesus Christ) as our King forever ruling from Jerusalem. The City of our Great King. So the Covenant of David is an ever lasting covenant which still needs completion. 2 Chron.13:5. Every covenant has salt in the cutting of a covenant which every school kid knows is a preservative.

And any student of the Bible knows that the Davidic covenant was fulfilled in the Person of Jesus Christ, the son of David.

6. The New Covenant sign is the Passover Cup and Bread. Luke 22:14-20. There are 4 cups of wine poured during Passover Sedar,
1 The cup of blessing. Luke 22:17 1Cor.10:16 .
2 The cup of wrath which is poured out, but the Messiah drank that cup in the Garden of Gethsemane and on the Cross. Luke 22:42-44.
3 The cup of Salvation. This cup is poured to over flowing representing blessings of Salvation. Pressed down, shaken, running over ! Psalms 116:13
4 The cup of the Kingdom. Luke 22;18-20
So there is still a cup we will drink in the Kingdom there by keeping the Passover.

New Testament Christians don't keep the Passover, a shadow of the things to come, we keep the Lord's Supper, a remembrance of what he did on Calvary.

Covenant of Peace which is the Messianic Kingdom. Isa.54:10 and Ezk.34:25-26

Which is fulfilled in the Person of Jesus Christ.

The last we have the TRUE 8th Day Sabbath where we are forever with Yahweh and HIS Messiah. Revelation 21:9-27

Huh?

Praise Yah!!! His WORDS do not change, We can put our FAITH in a GOD that Honors His Word above His very Name, that what HE says HE will do.

Yes, and I'm glad he saved me a Gentile, the son of a Gentile, and has not delivered the old dead sign, but given me the spirit of Gracr in his New Covenant. The Apostles were confronted with what should we (Jews) put upon the Gentile Bride. Here is what they came up with:

Acts 15
[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

Acts 21
[25] As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

That's it! That is all that they (Jewish apostles) put upon the Gentile believers.

God never asked the New Testament bride to become Israel all over again. He created a NEW thing. He WILL deal with Israel again at the end of times. Let the church be the church and Israel be Israel.