Sabbath?

[from scratch]

Here are they that keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua... Maran Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah | Beth HaDerech; Messianic Jewish Congregation, Toronto, Canada

Do you have something in particular you wish me to read to support your point? There are none who keep the commandments - Roman 3:23.

Now if you wish we can discuss how you keep them. If you don't keep them why are you asking anyone else to do so? Are we on?

 

[Deut 5:29]

I don't think so. What does the Jewish festivals have to do with gnostiscism? Nothing! They clearly have to do with Jewish law ie the covenant with the COI which includes the 10 Cs. Paul is dealing with Jews and possibly Jewish Christians requiring the law be observed for salvation.

You really need to start from scratch, pun intended; go back starting with Gen. 1:1 and learn the basics so that you can understand Paul in the context of the whole word of God.

 

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You really need to start from scratch, pun intended; go back starting with Gen. 1:1 and learn the basics so that you can understand Paul in the context of the whole word of God.

I have no clue what you're talking about. If you think that will change my mind about what Paul is talking about you is funny dude. Now if you were to say go read EGW and take hook line and sinker what she said cause she claims to be a prophet (Oops! more than a prophet) you might go look for someone else that is easier to fool.

I have shown from Gen to Rev that the OC isn't binding on the Christian. My righteousness comes from Jesus Christ and not the law or a covenant not given to me ever. I'm a Gentile convert to Christianity and not Judaism. Judaism isn't Christianity, not even apart of it. Jewish Christianity or whatever you want to call it is another Gospel.

 

[Deut 5:29]

I have no clue what you're talking about.

Don't I know that.

If you think that will change my mind about what Paul is talking about you is funny dude.

Not to worry I know that, but at least I offered you a way out of the mire you're stuck in.

Now if you were to say go read EGW and take hook line and sinker what she said cause she claims to be a prophet (Oops! more than a prophet) you might go look for someone else that is easier to fool.

I don't know or care about your EGW, what ever that is.

I have shown from Gen to Rev that the OC isn't binding on the Christian.

Only in your mind.

My righteousness comes from Jesus Christ and not the law or a covenant not given to me ever.

Everyone is subject to God's law and yes that includes you.

I'm a Gentile convert to Christianity and not Judaism. Judaism isn't Christianity, not even apart of it. Jewish Christianity or whatever you want to call it is another Gospel.

No one said Judaism has anything to do with chitristianity. Christ opposed it. Why would you even think that?
It is true that you are a gentile and the way you're going you're going to die a gentile.

 

[Frogster]

Here are they that keep the Commandments of God and have the faith of Yeshua... Maran Yeshua, the Jewish Messiah | Beth HaDerech; Messianic Jewish Congregation, Toronto, Canada

My dear dear sister, galatians fought off, what would be today's version of Messianic Judaism, in no uncertain words.

 

[Frogster]

You really need to start from scratch, pun intended; go back starting with Gen. 1:1 and learn the basics so that you can understand Paul in the context of the whole word of God.

I guess of you started to post scripture, with a brief expository, people would finally understand your point. Put something together for us all, please.

 

[from scratch]

Don't I know that.

Not to worry I know that, but at least I offered you a way out of the mire you're stuck in.

I don't know or care about your EGW, what ever that is.

Only in your mind.

Everyone is subject to God's law and yes that includes you.

No one said Judaism has anything to do with chitristianity. Christ opposed it. Why would you even think that?
It is true that you are a gentile and the way you're going you're going to die a gentile.

Bottom line. What is it that counts?

 

[visionary]

Do you have something in particular you wish me to read to support your point? There are none who keep the commandments - Roman 3:23.

Now if you wish we can discuss how you keep them. If you don't keep them why are you asking anyone else to do so? Are we on?

It isn't that they are not trying, but that the coming short keeps us humble before God who does keep it perfectly..

 

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It isn't that they are not trying, but that the coming short keeps us humble before God who does keep it perfectly..

So what does it mean? Does it mean all the time or part time? If it doesn't meand full time, is God obligated to it all the time or part of the time? Sure seems like a crap shoot to me. I guess that some people like playing with something they have no idea what the reults are going to be. Not for me. I only bet on sure things. I like winning to much.

 

[visionary]

So what does it mean? Does it mean all the time or part time? If it doesn't meand full time, is God obligated to it all the time or part of the time? Sure seems like a crap shoot to me. I guess that some people like playing with something they have no idea what the reults are going to be. Not for me. I only bet on sure things. I like winning to much.

God never asks of us anything that He doesn't do.. HE does expect us to follow His example...

 

[Migdala]

Hello
I would like to hear peoples thoughts and views on sabbath observance. Currently I am attending a seventh day adventist church, but am unsure of the necessity to keep the sabbath. I have kept it for a few years now, but am starting to question why other denominations do not? I am in a situation that has made me question it, my college study makes it unavoidable to not do on the weekend, or the option is at home and possibly suffer association consequences later. So this is the dilemma that set me to search for the real answer and not just keep the sabbath because I have been told to and it was one of the commandments, didnt jesus come to free us of these?
confused i am
Any help or your own thoughts, opinions, experience etc would be appreciated

I believe that Jesus came to set us free from the Levitical laws and ordinances-all the things that were so very hard for them to keep in those days. But if Jesus set us free from keeping the Sabbath, then it must mean that it is also Ok to lie, murder, steal, and break the other 9 commandments etc. And we know that is not true! There is nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus told us to stop observing the Sabbath, unless I've just missed it. He says to keep His commandments, and He doesn't say to just keep 9 and not all 10.

I don't go to a 7th day church, because I have heard that they base their salvation on the works of keeping the Sabbath. I think that the whole term "Sabbath" means to REST on that day-not necessarily go to church, because the Bible shows us that the disciples also worshipped on "the Lord's Day" which is Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

I keep the Sabbath, but I don't get all legalistic about it- I don't work on Saturdays-I rest and spend that time with God as much as possible. I go to church on Sundays though, and any other time they are having services. I certainly don't base my salvation on whether I go to church on Saturday or Sunday though-I base it on the fact that Jesus died for my sins!

 

[visionary]

I believe that Jesus came to set us free from the Levitical laws and ordinances-all the things that were so very hard for them to keep in those days. But if Jesus set us free from keeping the Sabbath, then it must mean that it is also Ok to lie, murder, steal, and break the other 9 commandments etc. And we know that is not true! There is nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus told us to stop observing the Sabbath, unless I've just missed it. He says to keep His commandments, and He doesn't say to just keep 9 and not all 10.

I don't go to a 7th day church, because I have heard that they base their salvation on the works of keeping the Sabbath. I think that the whole term "Sabbath" means to REST on that day-not necessarily go to church, because the Bible shows us that the disciples also worshipped on "the Lord's Day" which is Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

I keep the Sabbath, but I don't get all legalistic about it- I don't work on Saturdays-I rest and spend that time with God as much as possible. I go to church on Sundays though, and any other time they are having services. I certainly don't base my salvation on whether I go to church on Saturday or Sunday though-I base it on the fact that Jesus died for my sins!

The Lord's Day is not what the church thinks it is, it is what God declares it is.

 

[Frogster]

God never asks of us anything that He doesn't do.. HE does expect us to follow His example...

that didn't really answer the point scratch brought out.

 

[Frogster]

I believe that Jesus came to set us free from the Levitical laws and ordinances-all the things that were so very hard for them to keep in those days. But if Jesus set us free from keeping the Sabbath, then it must mean that it is also Ok to lie, murder, steal, and break the other 9 commandments etc. And we know that is not true! There is nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus told us to stop observing the Sabbath, unless I've just missed it. He says to keep His commandments, and He doesn't say to just keep 9 and not all 10.

I don't go to a 7th day church, because I have heard that they base their salvation on the works of keeping the Sabbath. I think that the whole term "Sabbath" means to REST on that day-not necessarily go to church, because the Bible shows us that the disciples also worshipped on "the Lord's Day" which is Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

I keep the Sabbath, but I don't get all legalistic about it- I don't work on Saturdays-I rest and spend that time with God as much as possible. I go to church on Sundays though, and any other time they are having services. I certainly don't base my salvation on whether I go to church on Saturday or Sunday though-I base it on the fact that Jesus died for my sins!

the Holy Spirit said that the jewish calendar is a waste of time for the church.


Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

 

[Migdala]

the Holy Spirit said that the jewish calendar is a waste of time for the church.


Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Exodus 12:1--51; Exodus 23: 10-33; Leviticus 16:1-34; and Leviticus 23:1-44. In these Scriptures when you read and study them you will realize that the Lord separated these feast and ceremonials sabbaths from the Sabbath day of the Ten Commandments- that's why it made sense when Paul talked that he was afraid of the people observing months, days, times and years and that the Gentiles didn't have to worry about meat offering, drink offering, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon(month) or the Sabbath days.
These feasts and ceremonies required a certain day during a certain month, and certain years during certain years to be like a Sabbath day or year unto the people of Israel and the Lord, but none of them was the Sabbath day, because each came upon a different day during the week which was different from the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath day was not a shadow of things to come but the ceremonial and feast sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Big difference between the 10 commandments of God and the other laws and ordinances such as animal sacrifices, etc. that WERE done away with when Christ was crucified.

 

[visionary]

The feast days of Lev 23 are so prophectic, we can see them being fulfilled after the 3 1/2 year of Yeshua's ministry with the first four feasts being fulfilled.. and we can expect to see the fall feasts being fulfilled during the second coming events of end times too.

 

[from scratch]

God never asks of us anything that He doesn't do.. HE does expect us to follow His example...

So do you know anybody that does? I don't. The Bible says no one does.

Ever heard of Rom 11:32? God committed all to sin. Hmmm!

 

[Frogster]

Exodus 12:1--51; Exodus 23: 10-33; Leviticus 16:1-34; and Leviticus 23:1-44. In these Scriptures when you read and study them you will realize that the Lord separated these feast and ceremonials sabbaths from the Sabbath day of the Ten Commandments- that's why it made sense when Paul talked that he was afraid of the people observing months, days, times and years and that the Gentiles didn't have to worry about meat offering, drink offering, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon(month) or the Sabbath days.
These feasts and ceremonies required a certain day during a certain month, and certain years during certain years to be like a Sabbath day or year unto the people of Israel and the Lord, but none of them was the Sabbath day, because each came upon a different day during the week which was different from the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath day was not a shadow of things to come but the ceremonial and feast sabbaths were a shadow of things to come.

Big difference between the 10 commandments of God and the other laws and ordinances such as animal sacrifices, etc. that WERE done away with when Christ was crucified.

It was the whole jewish calendar. Not for the church. Besides, the law was one, we can't select what we want. Josh 1:8, James 2:10, Gal 5:3, Gal 3:10, Lev 26:15.

 

[Frogster]

The feast days of Lev 23 are so prophectic, we can see them being fulfilled after the 3 1/2 year of Yeshua's ministry with the first four feasts being fulfilled.. and we can expect to see the fall feasts being fulfilled during the second coming events of end times too.

yeah, and God wants another temple with the levitical priesthood again?

 

[from scratch]

I believe that Jesus came to set us free from the Levitical laws and ordinances-all the things that were so very hard for them to keep in those days. But if Jesus set us free from keeping the Sabbath, then it must mean that it is also Ok to lie, murder, steal, and break the other 9 commandments etc. And we know that is not true! There is nowhere in the Bible that says Jesus told us to stop observing the Sabbath, unless I've just missed it. He says to keep His commandments, and He doesn't say to just keep 9 and not all 10.

I don't go to a 7th day church, because I have heard that they base their salvation on the works of keeping the Sabbath. I think that the whole term "Sabbath" means to REST on that day-not necessarily go to church, because the Bible shows us that the disciples also worshipped on "the Lord's Day" which is Sunday, the 1st day of the week.

I keep the Sabbath, but I don't get all legalistic about it- I don't work on Saturdays-I rest and spend that time with God as much as possible. I go to church on Sundays though, and any other time they are having services. I certainly don't base my salvation on whether I go to church on Saturday or Sunday though-I base it on the fact that Jesus died for my sins!

I think the problem is understanding which covenant applies to the Christian.

Have you ever studied Jer 31:31-34 on a word for word basis? As long as you continue to listen and associate with those pushing religion over the Gospel you will continue to have conflict. The church issue is control by guilt.