Sabbath?

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And Keep understanding God is consistant in all that He does also... Father and Son are in perfect harmony and it has only been 4 [of the Lord's Days] of which it was only 2 days before that His Son spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai and gave those same laws in stone which are to be placed in the heart.

Oh please--How is it you say this in light of EX 33:20?

 

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A member of the commonwealth of Israel doesn't have to worry about that..

Christians aren't members of commonwealth of Isreal. If that were so then all Isrealites are Christians. No we have become fellow citizens and not citizens of Isreal. That isn't the promise given to Abraham.

 

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God's Holy Days are not traditions of men, I never said they were.
You have missed the whole point of what I said and more importantly
what God says.
Oh well.

Didn't you connect 2:16 with 20-23?

 

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Not only that ...Jewish Holy Days are often the name given for God's annointed times.. appointed by God .....time set aside by God..and the least man can do is make it to God's meeting.

Nope they're plainly called sabbaths in the same respect and rules for the weekly sabbath.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Didn't you connect 2:16 with 20-23?

I did but evidently you didn't understand.
Paul is battling gnosticism here.
Paul is not battling God's laws. How silly would that be?

 

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Christians aren't members of commonwealth of Isreal. If that were so then all Isrealites are Christians. No we have become fellow citizens and not citizens of Isreal. That isn't the promise given to Abraham.

Really...

 

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Nope they're plainly called sabbaths in the same respect and rules for the weekly sabbath.

Read Lev 23:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

 

[Frogster]

Your biases have led you in the wrong direction again.
This is not about clean or unclean meat or doing away with God's Sabbaths.
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping God’s laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.

God's word says just the oppsite of what you say.

Your saying two things, you are saying commanments of men, yet you are saying God's law, all in one post!

Everyone knows there was alot going on there. Both..BUT>>>>

So all of our sins were forgiven, by nailing mans teachings to the cross?


And principlaities were disarmed by human traditions being nailed to the cross, we were dead in human traditions?...lol

 

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Your saying two things, you are saying commanments of men, yet you are saying God's law, all in one post!

Everyone knows there was alot going on there. Both..BUT>>>>

So all of our sins were forgiven, by nailing mans teachings to the cross?


And principlaities were disarmed by human traditions being nailed to the cross, we were dead in human traditions?...lol

Well you're right about one thing, that being your misreading of everything you read is LOL.

 

[Frogster]

A member of the commonwealth of Israel doesn't have to worry about that..

No, read eph two, we are in the houshold of God, one new man, kainos, after law abolishment, 2:15, a spiritual temple. That is where 2 went...Spiritual..spiritual...



How can a gentile in America, be in the commonwealth around the world?

 

[Frogster]

I'm sorry but how do the Jewish holy days qualify as traditions of men?

I do wonder what v 8 is talking about and refuse to say anything because you will only find it offensive as the Gospel and truth are.

What is something that God no longer requires of the Isrealites? I think that Paul is clearly calling them the law. The covenant has changed and so have the rules (laws).

No the Church of Colosse are clearly being told the law doesn't matter as a Christian. The Jewish festivals are clearly named and the food issue is an issue with the subverters of Acts 15 also commonly known by a word now forbidden here.

I would back the idea that the law doesn't matter with Gal 3:28. No Jew - no law - and no Isreal as the church.

 

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Read Lev 23:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

And who were they appointed for? And aren't they also called sabbaths with the same rules as the weekly sabbath?

 

[Frogster]

I did but evidently you didn't understand.
Paul is battling gnosticism here.
Paul is not battling God's laws. How silly would that be?

what trespasses were we dead in, gnostic ones?

CONTEXT.....CONTEXT...IT WAS THE LAW.



13 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,

 

[Frogster]

Not only that ...Jewish Holy Days are often the name given for God's annointed times.. appointed by God .....time set aside by God..and the least man can do is make it to God's meeting.

u r supposed to be a child of Abraham, you are a gentile, he did not have sabbath, you don't need it either.

Just look at the cross, and you won't desire rituals, those who seek rituals show they have a void. Compensation.

 

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I did but evidently you didn't understand.
Paul is battling gnosticism here.
Paul is not battling God's laws. How silly would that be?

I don't think so. What does the Jewish festivals have to do with gnostiscism? Nothing! They clearly have to do with Jewish law ie the covenant with the COI which includes the 10 Cs. Paul is dealing with Jews and possibly Jewish Christians requiring the law be observed for salvation.

 

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Really...

Yep!

 

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Read Lev 23:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘These are my appointed festivals, the appointed festivals of the LORD, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

So noted it isn't Christians is it?

 

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So noted it isn't Christians is it?

It is part of the commenwealth of Israel's inheritance.

 

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It is part of the commenwealth of Israel's inheritance.

Where do you get this idea from? Eph 2? Please read it extremely carefully. Go word by word and define each major word. Then consider Gal 3:28 for instance. No Jew - no Isreal - no law in Christ Jesus.

 

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Where do you get this idea from? Eph 2? Please read it extremely carefully. Go word by word and define each major word. Then consider Gal 3:28 for instance. No Jew - no Isreal - no law in Christ Jesus.

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