Sabbath?

[Frogster]

It is for gentiles.. from one sabbath to the next... for all eternity

Isaiah 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;


Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

the pre trib doctrine is....

it is over, God does not dwell in temples made by hand, Steven said so, and your favorite guy Paul, and Peter said we are the temple. Lets let go of all that stuff sis, it has nothing to do with the Abrahamic cov..

 

[visionary]

u r the 1 who quotes the NLT...


16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

There is no "not" in that verse.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Let no man judge the way you buy the food God has declared meat at the local store, or in regard to how you keep the Holy Days found in Lev 23... which includes the new moon or the shabbath days. .. we are not under Oral Traditions like the Jews, but as Gentiles we are to keep the faith in the New Covenant which has implanted His Ten in our heart.

 

[Frogster]

There is no "not" in that verse.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Let no man judge the way you buy the food God has declared meat at the local store, or in regard to how you keep the Holy Days found in Lev 23... which includes the new moon or the shabbath days. .. we are not under Oral Traditions like the Jews, but as Gentiles we are to keep the faith in the New Covenant which has implanted His Ten in our heart.

It doesn't matter..I have proved my point, that the large and vast amount of the church knows, I posted that cause deut likes that bible, and really in a way, lets give those scholars some credit, indeed, they know what 2;16 means also.

leagal, enemies defeated, sins forgiven, far from being man made traditions in that portion.

The "let no ones" also proved my point.

 

[Frogster]

Vis, do u think it is ok to eat dairy and meat together?

 

[visionary]

It doesn't matter..I have proved my point, that the large and vast amount of the church knows, I posted that cause deut likes that bible, and really in a way, lets give those scholars some credit, indeed, they know what 2;16 means also.

leagal, enemies defeated, sins forgiven, far from being man made traditions in that portion.

The "let no ones" also proved my point.

You do realise that "law done away with" is rather new theology.. only been preached in the last 50 years.. this "grace only" theology may be sweeping the churches but it isn't and doesn't have the complete scriptural picture. It is a run away with only half the story.

 

[Frogster]

You do realise that "law done away with" is rather new theology.. only been preached in the last 50 years.. this "grace only" theology may be sweeping the churches but it isn't and doesn't have the complete scriptural picture. It is a run away with only half the story.

eph 2:15 is about 2000 years old. Do you eat meat with dairy?

 

[visionary]

eph 2:15 is about 2000 years old. Do you eat meat with dairy?

You mean.. do I boil a kid in its mother's milk? NO.. there is just something sadistic about even thinking of doin such a thing.

 

[Frogster]

You mean.. do I boil a kid in its mother's milk? NO.. there is just something sadistic about even thinking of doin such a thing.

What I mean is, do you find it permissible to eat meat and dairy together? The jews don"t curious what you think about that?

 

[from scratch]

There is no "not" in that verse.

16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Let no man judge the way you buy the food God has declared meat at the local store, or in regard to how you keep the Holy Days found in Lev 23... which includes the new moon or the shabbath days. .. we are not under Oral Traditions like the Jews, but as Gentiles we are to keep the faith in the New Covenant which has implanted His Ten in our heart.

Now visionary why don't you remember it is God's law in our heart and not the covenant with the COI which are the 10 Cs - Jer 31:31-34.

Now if we're not to judge a man in food or drink why is it different for the religious days? Isn't it commonly stated that the foods part of the verse means no unclean foods? IOW it isn't how one eats, it is what one eats. Why doesn't the same thing apply to the religious days? et us be consistant here.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Now visionary why don't you remember it is God's law in our heart and not the covenant with the COI which are the 10 Cs - Jer 31:31-34.

Now if we're not to judge a man in food or drink why is it different for the religious days? Isn't it commonly stated that the foods part of the verse means no unclean foods? IOW it isn't how one eats, it is what one eats. Why doesn't the same thing apply to the religious days? et us be consistant here.

Your biases have led you in the wrong direction again.
This is not about clean or unclean meat or doing away with God's Sabbaths.
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping God’s laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.

God's word says just the oppsite of what you say.

 

[from scratch]

Sabbath is not a Jewish tradition or Jewish ceremony.. God claims it is His.. Lev 23.. not saying the Jews don't keep the shabbat... As Yeshua said.. it was made for man..

did God give it to Isreal for a sign?

13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

 

[from scratch]

It is for gentiles.. from one sabbath to the next... for all eternity

Isaiah 56:6
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;


Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

I'm having a little trouble locating a wors on in the passage above could you highlight it for me, please? Thanks.

How does one join themselves to the Lord? If they do are they still strangers? Yep I gots a verse or 2 in mind.

 

[from scratch]

Don't let any one tell you how to keep it, that is between you and the Lord, just do what the Lord directs not Oral Traditions

I'm a tad bit curious here. If one doesn't keep the sabbath isn't that how they observe it? What is the real difference in completely ignoring the 7th day sabbath as opposed to not keeping it like the law says? Both aren't keeping the sabbath. So I see no difference. So are there degrees of permissible violation? Where is that found in the law?

 

[from scratch]

I am in the Lord's kingdom... Got in passed the gate.. yeah.. even the stranger is invited to keep it...

were invited, that deal ended. You are SUPPOSED TO BE of Abraham now, who had ye not sabbath, an historic event happened, the seed came.

I thought you support a futuristic temple, that does not allow gentiles?


Ez 44:9 “Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter my sanctuary.

I wonder how EZ 44:9 works with Isa 66:23?

 

[visionary]

Now visionary why don't you remember it is God's law in our heart and not the covenant with the COI which are the 10 Cs - Jer 31:31-34.

Now if we're not to judge a man in food or drink why is it different for the religious days? Isn't it commonly stated that the foods part of the verse means no unclean foods? IOW it isn't how one eats, it is what one eats. Why doesn't the same thing apply to the religious days? et us be consistant here.

And Keep understanding God is consistant in all that He does also... Father and Son are in perfect harmony and it has only been 4 [of the Lord's Days] of which it was only 2 days before that His Son spoke to Moses on Mount Sinai and gave those same laws in stone which are to be placed in the heart.

 

[visionary]

I wonder how EZ 44:9 works with Isa 66:23?

A member of the commonwealth of Israel doesn't have to worry about that..

 

[from scratch]

Your biases have led you in the wrong direction again.
This is not about clean or unclean meat or doing away with God's Sabbaths.
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping God’s laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.

God's word says just the oppsite of what you say.

I'm sorry but how do the Jewish holy days qualify as traditions of men?

I do wonder what v 8 is talking about and refuse to say anything because you will only find it offensive as the Gospel and truth are.

What is something that God no longer requires of the Isrealites? I think that Paul is clearly calling them the law. The covenant has changed and so have the rules (laws).

No the Church of Colosse are clearly being told the law doesn't matter as a Christian. The Jewish festivals are clearly named and the food issue is an issue with the subverters of Acts 15 also commonly known by a word now forbidden here.

I would back the idea that the law doesn't matter with Gal 3:28. No Jew - no law - and no Isreal as the church.

 

[Johnnz]

To quote OT texts without understanding God's progression that resulted in Christ's fulfilling of the OT patterns will mean some wrong conclusions. We must take the NT and see how that reframes so much of the Old, and how the Old prepared the way for the NT and its great climax with Jesus.

John
NZ

 

[Deut 5:29]

I'm sorry but how do the Jewish holy days qualify as traditions of men?

God's Holy Days are not traditions of men, I never said they were.
You have missed the whole point of what I said and more importantly
what God says.
Oh well.

 

[visionary]

God's Holy Days are not traditions of men, I never said they were.
You have missed the whole point of what I said and more importantly
what God says.
Oh well.

Not only that ...Jewish Holy Days are often the name given for God's annointed times.. appointed by God .....time set aside by God..and the least man can do is make it to God's meeting.