Russia Is Winning The War In Ukraine, Biden Throws The Towel In!

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At the very least, it seems that there was just as much Russian provocation in the Donbas conflict. I will at least provide a link to a satisfactory wiki article to back up what I say.





March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatistsseized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In




Did Donbas somehow pass laws against western Ukraine and none Russian speaking people that I am unaware of? Of course not.
 
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Regarding US intervention. Ukrainians give the example that after 1945 the United States intervened in Germany, France, Italy and Japan, as well as South Korea. Look how they live: human rights, high technology and a high quality of life are respected and that’s how we want it.

But they show us a different picture. They say that the United States also intervened in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. And look how they live.

Why does the first group of countries live like people, while the second group is destroyed by wars and crisis?

Ukraine hoped to get into the first group. But where will we end up?

The process was dangerously delayed. Europe is getting used to blood. This could deprive Europeans and Americans of the instinct of self-preservation, and then there will be trouble. Everyone will fight against everyone if this is not stopped in time.

Because the West Absorbed all those evil people from Germany. And took control of all things Germany, Japan, and Korea. Because they all bowed the knee to the USA and bribes of money and blackmail. Because the USA has unlimited resources. The USA and Russia are probably the only 2 countries in the world that have the people and materials to run the whole world on their own. But the USA would rather bleed other countries dry.

Do you think it was not Joe Biden who blew up the pipes to Germany?

We destroyed Japan in WWII. Left it to nothing. Then we opened our doors to them to come see our tech and processes. And they fell in line.

The USA Deepstate owned it all. That is what the CIA has been doing. Now they brought in 'Western Elites' and they are slicing and dicing CA, SA, Africa, Asia, India, China, every way they can and want. China may soon be out. But the USA could destroy China's economy in weeks. Because we have them using all our systems. That we control. That is why China is maybe working so hard to get their own Semi-conductor and banking systems in place.

Do you even know why we went to war with Germany? Banking. In WWII Germany became very close to self-reliant. A central Bank. That is why England went to war again with them. Because if they did not, it would change everything England controlled.

Do you know that France almost attacked the USA during the civil war? Why? Banking. We created our own Greenbacks. Our own central bank. France said no. Then the Greenback disappeared. And some decades later, against our own constitution, we created the Federal Reserve. Which has been making thins possible and impossible ever since.

This is all setup by Satan. Else 90% of what goes on in every country would not be allowed.
 
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At the very least, it seems that there was just as much Russian provocation in the Donbas conflict. I will at least provide a link to a satisfactory wiki article to back up what I say.





March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatistsseized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In




Was it Donbas that allowed the fake riot to take place and allow the overthrow of the govt?

Or is that how the USA operates in Libya, Syria, Afganistan, the ME, CA, SA, etc???
 
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Was it Donbas that allowed the fake riot to take place and allow the overthrow of the govt?

Or is that how the USA operates in Libya, Syria, Afganistan, the ME, CA, SA, etc???
The revolt in Donbass had a long history. Let's start with the fact that when Donbass was recovering after the war 1941-1945, millions of people from all over Ukraine were almost forcibly brought there (Komsomolsk sets). These Komsomol members were then heavily brainwashed by Soviet ideology. Orthodox Ukrainians lived in the villages of Donbass, and Sovietiest people lived in cities. Therefore, Donbass first became the most Soviet region of Ukraine, and in the 1990s, when everything Soviet was shaken, it became the most gangster. Don’t think that I want to generalize all the people of Donbass. There were many kind and decent people there. They were just unlucky. How unlucky all Ukrainians are now (this is not because we are worse than all Europeans). There were gangs operating there, into which the Russian special services infiltrated their agents under the guise of simple bandits. The criminal world of Donbass there was headed by Yanukovych, who was made governor of the Donetsk region. Then they saw that he was a very good figure to shake the whole of Ukraine. And he was taken to Kyiv, first to the post of prime minister. The Ukrainians did not want to be ruled by a man with a criminal record and connections to organized crime. In 2004, in the presidential elections in Ukraine, he was opposed to Yushchenko - an intelligent, literate, cultural person, but dependent on the United States. And so, for the first time, Ukrainians were faced with a choice: to choose a representative of organized crime who wants to be friends with Russia, or to choose an intelligent and cultured banker who wants to be friends with the United States against Russia. This is how the first Maidan, the first Orange Revolution, took place. People came out against corruption and organized crime, which Yanukovych personified. At first they did not go against Russia. But with Yushchenko came those who wanted to be friends with the US and the EU. People were promised respect for human rights and a quality of life according to EU standards.

Yushchenko's rule was so unsuccessful that the people who voted for him were disappointed and did not go to the second elections. And so Yanukovych became the president of Ukraine. Under Yanukovych, the quality of life began to deteriorate further, including due to the fact that Russia raised gas prices for Ukraine more expensive than for Germany. Human rights began to be violated. Kyiv students went on a peaceful demonstration in support of the EU, and they were beaten by police. This began the second “Maidan”, the second revolution.

Russia continued to shake up the situation in Ukraine, hoping that when the government was shaken, they would have time to support it in exchange for Ukraine’s sovereignty. But Russia did not have time. The United States quickly navigated this situation. Friends of the United States came to power.

Protest demonstrations were few in number in Donbass. There were provocations of national radicals from Western Ukraine in Eastern Ukraine. But, as FSB Colonel Girkin said, if it weren’t for him and his people, everything would have ended in pogroms, but he managed to ignite a real war, which he and his friends now boasts of:

This is how we see it in Ukraine now. Perhaps our paradigm will change if we learn different facts after the war.
 
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Did Donbas somehow pass laws against western Ukraine and none Russian speaking people that I am unaware of? Of course not.
What kind of laws can there be where people with guns control everything? Whoever has a weapon has the right. There are no normal laws there now.
 
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It was not a Revolution of Dignity. It was a US-orchestrated overthrow of Ukraine's govt. in order to get to the point where were are now. Most distrust, more instability, money transfers, and wealth accumulation by the Western Elites. The USA owns all Nato countries. The USA owns most Central and South American countries. The US owns most African countries. And if not the US. France and England. And it is all to line the pockets of the Western WEF Elites.
When people are forced to wear military uniforms, there is no question of any dignity. Ukrainians feel deceived and are fleeing mobilization recruiters.

But what is the way out? Put a uniform on a person - he has become a soldier and no longer has the right to object.

Surrender is also not an option.

Afghanistan surrendered to the USSR in 1979. A government friendly to the USSR was installed there. Did this end the bloodshed? There is a danger that Ukraine will turn into a European Afghanistan if Ukraine capitulates. The bloodshed must be stopped differently. An example for us can be Egypt and Israel, as well as Türkiye and Greece. To stop the bloodshed, compromises and security guarantees are needed, not capitulation.

The capitulation of Ukraine may be the same trap for Russia as the capitulation of Afghanistan to the USSR. Perhaps some forces in the United States want to lure Russia into this trap. But we, Ukrainians, do not want to be Afghanistan in order to dismember Russia. We want to live up to the European Charter of Human Rights that we were promised.
 
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Now you act like you are not blaming Evil Russia as 100% at fault for this and the cause of all your problems?
Now you are some noble Ukrainian? Have you once ever commented on the plight of the Donbas people other than to say, they are having a rough time. Long prior to 2022. Prior to Minsk's. Do you have no comment on the lives of the Donbas people and what Kyiv has continually done to them, their region, their families? LONG before Russia stepped in.

Really. Recruiters? So that is the maximum bad Kyiv is doing? All the while it is really Russia Russia Russia.

It is the Western Elites using your country, replacing your leaders, and destroying everything Ukraine for their own purposes. Russia is the least of everyone's problems.
Let's just say that the Russian leadership does not act in Russia's interests. Until 2000, Ukraine was Russia's best friend and main ally. Russia, not alone, but with Ukraine, defeated Turkey in Crimea, defeated Napoleon and Hitler. And so the Russian leadership first spoiled relations with the most friendly people, the closest of which they were. And then it started bombing him. If the US President attacked the UK, what would you say? Is he acting in the interests of the United States to acquire a piece of land? No, he would deprive the United States not only of international authority, but also of its main ally. You would condemn a president who brought about a situation where his best friend became his main enemy. Is not it? And now you say that he is good... The USA is bombing London and the US President is good. Can this be? Draw an analogy and answer the question. And you will understand everything yourself.

And how does everything look from the point of view of eastern Ukraine and Donbass? At first, the Moscow leadership decided that it would no longer share oil and gas revenues with Ukraine and other Soviet republics and adopted a declaration of Russian independence from Ukraine in 1991. Then in 1991, when Ukraine did the same, they signed international documents on peaceful division. Russia recognized the borders and statehood of Ukraine. Russia and the United States persuaded Ukraine to surrender its nuclear weapons (for some reason the United States did not persuade Great Britain) under security guarantees. Then Ukraine gave Russia all its missiles and strategic bombers. When Ukraine disarmed, Russia began bombing Ukraine with the same missiles that Ukraine had given away. Most of the missiles, bombs and shells from Russia fell on the heads of civilians in Dondass and Eastern Ukraine. Tens of thousands of people were killed and maimed there.

We understand that Russia cannot be forced to stop doing this by military means. But stop this diplomatically. You are our accomplices!
 
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I think the war is sad for both countries. Both sides have lost men needlessly. I think Russia was wrong for invading Unkraine but on the other hand how long can our country sustain giving Ukraine all our weaons? As it is Russia will inherit all those weapons America and Europe gave them. Russian has more men to sacrifice as Putin don't mind senselessly sacrificing his own men for his own glory and power. All he wants is to re-unite the former Soviet Union. He'll invade Poland at some point. Biden was not timely in how he sent weapons over there to begin with. His ill-timing cost the war for Ukraine. The best Unkraine can do now is fight to the last man, women and child and take out as many Russians as possible as to slow down Russia's agression. In the meantime Europe needs to stop relying on American military for all their problems! They need to step it up and start growing their own military to proper proportions. There is no reason Europe can't hold their own against Russia. America has a very aggressive China to think about along with Iran and N.Korea.

Its quite obvious by now that WWIII is gonna happen. This will be the war that leads to Judgment Day.
 
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I think the war is sad for both countries. Both sides have lost men needlessly. I think Russia was wrong for invading Unkraine but on the other hand how long can our country sustain giving Ukraine all our weaons? As it is Russia will inherit all those weapons America and Europe gave them. Russian has more men to sacrifice as Putin don't mind senselessly sacrificing his own men for his own glory and power. All he wants is to re-unite the former Soviet Union. He'll invade Poland at some point. Biden was not timely in how he sent weapons over there to begin with. His ill-timing cost the war for Ukraine. The best Unkraine can do now is fight to the last man, women and child and take out as many Russians as possible as to slow down Russia's agression. In the meantime Europe needs to stop relying on American military for all their problems! They need to step it up and start growing their own military to proper proportions. There is no reason Europe can't hold their own against Russia. America has a very aggressive China to think about along with Iran and N.Korea.

Its quite obvious by now that WWIII is gonna happen. This will be the war that leads to Judgment Day.
Atomic bombs do not require many people. Therefore, even if all Ukrainians die, this will not save you. Only God can save, who said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.”

Test results from 1961.
The explosion of AN602 was classified as a low air explosion of extremely high power. The results were impressive:

The radius of the fireball of the explosion was approximately 4.6 kilometers, the “nuclear mushroom” of the explosion rose to a height of 67 kilometers.
The light radiation could cause third-degree burns at a distance of up to 100 kilometers.
The seismic wave resulting from the explosion circled the globe three times.
Witnesses felt the impact and were able to describe the explosion thousands of kilometers away from its center.
Ionization of the atmosphere caused radio interference even hundreds of kilometers from the test site for about 40 minutes.

Russia has many thousands of such bombs, enough to destroy the globe.

Therefore, the death of even all Ukrainians will not save the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.


Therefore, if you want to be saved, make the peace Russia and Ukraine as soon as possible before processes that are irreversible for everyone occur.

Ukraine is not Cuba or Afghanistan. Ukraine is for Russia as Great Britain is for the USA. Therefore, the consequences of prolonging this war could be terrifying.

If the United States managed to reconcile Turkey and Greece, then it will be able to reconcile Russia and Ukraine. We believe in you.
 
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Atomic bombs do not require many people. Therefore, even if all Ukrainians die, this will not save you. Only God can save, who said: “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.”

Test results from 1961.
The explosion of AN602 was classified as a low air explosion of extremely high power. The results were impressive:

The radius of the fireball of the explosion was approximately 4.6 kilometers, the “nuclear mushroom” of the explosion rose to a height of 67 kilometers.
The light radiation could cause third-degree burns at a distance of up to 100 kilometers.
The seismic wave resulting from the explosion circled the globe three times.
Witnesses felt the impact and were able to describe the explosion thousands of kilometers away from its center.
Ionization of the atmosphere caused radio interference even hundreds of kilometers from the test site for about 40 minutes.

Russia has many thousands of such bombs, enough to destroy the globe.

Therefore, the death of even all Ukrainians will not save the rest of the planet’s inhabitants.


Therefore, if you want to be saved, make the peace Russia and Ukraine as soon as possible before processes that are irreversible for everyone occur.
Oh I'm not gonna disagree with you. I am for peace. But a peaceful man will also take a stand against evil. There is a good chance, better then average chance, that we will see a nuclear war of some scale. I do believe we even find this in Scripture.

Revelation 11:18,

The nations were angry,
but Your wrath has come.
The time has come
for the dead to be judged
and to give the reward
to Your servants the prophets,
to the saints, and to those who fear Your name,
both small and great,
and the time has come to destroy
those who destroy the earth.​

 
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Oh I'm not gonna disagree with you. I am for peace. But a peaceful man will also take a stand against evil. There is a good chance, better then average chance, that we will see a nuclear war of some scale. I do believe we even find this in Scripture.

Revelation 11:18,​

The nations were angry,​

but Your wrath has come.​

The time has come​

for the dead to be judged​

and to give the reward​

to Your servants the prophets,​

to the saints, and to those who fear Your name,​

both small and great,​

and the time has come to destroy​

those who destroy the earth.​

God forbid!

God punishes individual sins individually (specifically), but He punishes public sins collectively.

Since weapons of mass destruction do not sort out who is guilty and who is innocent, God allows this only in extreme cases.

Even the USSR, which US President Reagan called the “evil empire,” God did not destroy collectively, because many innocent people lived on its territory and holy righteous people also lived there.
 
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