Russia Is Winning The War In Ukraine, Biden Throws The Towel In!

[Truth7t7]

This is the most unrealistic option.

The United States, as our ally, must negotiate a ceasefire with Russia. It is better to put pressure on Russia economically than through bloodshed. Bloodshed is becoming a habit among people in Europe. This could lead to a loss of self-preservation instinct and infect other countries. This is dangerous for everyone.

When there were bloodsheds in Chechnya, Abkhazia and Ossetia (Georgia) since the 1990s, people in Ukraine also thought that this did not concern us. This is a thousand kilometers from us. But in Russia it became a habit, and this habit worked for us too.

Your living in a unrealistic fairy tale, Zenlensky is out of troops, weapons and ammo on the front line, he is sending in untold missile and drone barrages, and you claim "Surrender" is a unrealistic option?

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Your living in a unrealistic fairy tale, Zenlensky is out of troops, weapons and ammo on the front line, he is sending in untold missile and drone barrages, and you claim "Surrender" is a unrealistic option?

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives

Trump says that it is not Zelensky who is actually fighting, that it is a proxy war. Ukraine, by proxy from the United States, is at war with Russia. The United States has not yet deployed even 1% of its troops. Trump says Zelensky doesn't make the decision, Biden makes the decision.

Russia has no less reasons to surrender than Ukraine. Should it come to this? All wars have ended at the negotiating table for the last 100 years anyway. Russia also has a shortage of people. And the material losses are huge. Trump says he could convince both Putin and Zelensky in 24 hours!

It's time to stop this bloodshed!

 

[Truth7t7]

Trump says that it is not Zelensky who is actually fighting, that it is a proxy war. Ukraine, by proxy from the United States, is at war with Russia. The United States has not yet deployed even 1% of its troops. Trump says Zelensky doesn't make the decision, Biden makes the decision.

Russia has no less reasons to surrender than Ukraine. Should it come to this? All wars have ended at the negotiating table for the last 100 years anyway. Russia also has a shortage of people. And the material losses are huge. Trump says he could convince both Putin and Zelensky in 24 hours!

It's time to stop this bloodshed!

The US congress has stopped aid to Ukraine, it won't allow American troops to enter the war in Ukraine openly "Boots On The Ground", same applies to the EU and NATO, the recent news of 20,000 NATO troops doing exercises in Europe to supposedly enter the war is 100% MEDIA propaganda, don't be fooled

Yes the present war in Ukraine is driven by the EU, and USA in a proxy war and Zelensky is their puppet, and the citizens of Ulraine are their expendable tools

Russia doesn't have shortages of troops or materials as you claim Ukraine does, there are 620,000 Russian troops in Ukraine presently

Zelensky is begging the 769,000 Ukranian able bodied men that left to Europe to return and fight, because his trained elite batallions and hundreds of thousands of others are dead and killed at the front lines, now Zelensky is seeking any warm body to put in a uniform to also die in a war that isn't going to be won

Zelensky is out of EU an USA aid, Ukranian men and tanks are on the front lines out of fuel, ammo, and weapons and "Putin Knows This"

There isn't going to be negotiations concerning Zelensky's presented conditions, it will be under Russias demands don't be fooled

Zelensky will be removed,, Ukraines military will be dismantled, Russia will install a friendly government in Ukraine and the war will continue until Ukranian resistance stops, it's that simple

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives!

 

[ValeriyK2022]

The US congress has stopped aid to Ukraine, it won't allow American troops to enter the war in Ukraine openly "Boots On The Ground"

Yes the present war in Ukraine is driven by the EU, and USA in a proxy war and Zelensky is their puppet, and the citizens of Ulraine are their expendable tools

Russia doesn't have shortages of troops or materials as you claim Ukraine does, there are 620,000 Russian troops in Ukraine

Zelensky is begging the 769,000 Ukranian able bodied men that left to Europe to return and fight, because his trained elite batallions are dead killed at the front lines, now he's seeking any warm body to put in a uniform to also die in a war that isn't going to be won

Zelensky is out of EU an USA aid, Ukranian men and tanks are on the front line out of fuel, ammo, and weapons and Putin knows this

There isn't going to be negotiations concerning Zelensky's presented conditions, it will be under Russias demands

Zelensky will be removed,, Ukraines military will be dismantled, Russia will install a friendly government in Ukraine and the war will continue until Ukranian resistance stops, it's that simple

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives!

I did not say that there is a shortage of people in Russia for a war with Ukraine. But they have another growing problem. From the border with China to the border with Japan they have 5 people per kilometer. They may lose Siberia due to the war with Ukraine.

The counter-offensive through minefields without aviation led to irreparable losses in the Ukrainian army. And NATO generals put pressure on Ukraine to do this. Why did they need to destroy our military? Unclear. Ukraine asked for Patriots, F-16s and unmanned aerial vehicles, but instead received antique tanks and armored personnel carriers. Disposing of old equipment is not so bad. The trouble is that hundreds of thousands of people are out of action because of this.

Ukrainians are in a hopeless situation, Ukrainians are locked in their country. Russians can return home and not kill or be killed.

Trump says that this is a proxy war and that the decision on it is not made by Zelensky, but by Biden together with Congress. The US risks that Muslims will take the place of the killed Ukrainians. Europe cannot have a vacuum. Therefore, let them put pressure on Putin to negotiate. Trump says he could convince him to end this war in 24 hours.

If you force our soldiers to surrender on your own land, then you are not a american Christian, but a Russian agent (bot), so I will not answer you anymore.

 

[Truth7t7]

I did not say that there is a shortage of people in Russia for a war with Ukraine. But they have another growing problem. From the border with China to the border with Japan they have 5 people per kilometer. They may lose Siberia due to the war with Ukraine.

The counter-offensive through minefields without aviation led to irreparable losses in the Ukrainian army. And NATO generals put pressure on Ukraine to do this. Why did they need to destroy our military? Unclear. Ukraine asked for Patriots, F-16s and unmanned aerial vehicles, but instead received antique tanks and armored personnel carriers. Disposing of old equipment is not so bad. The trouble is that hundreds of thousands of people are out of action because of this.

Ukrainians are in a hopeless situation, Ukrainians are locked in their country. Russians can return home and not kill or be killed.

Trump says that this is a proxy war and that the decision on it is not made by Zelensky, but by Biden together with Congress. The US risks that Muslims will take the place of the killed Ukrainians. Europe cannot have a vacuum. Therefore, let them put pressure on Putin to negotiate. Trump says he could convince him to end this war in 24 hours.

If you force our soldiers to surrender on your own land, then you are not a american Christian, but a Russian agent (bot), so I will not answer you anymore.

Yes if Trump was in office this war most likely never would have taken place, and yes he could stop the war if in office, his claim of 24hrs is questionable, but it will be in immediate talks to settle the matter

Once again the conclusion and it's not changing, even if Trump was in office

There isn't going to be negotiations concerning Zelensky's presented conditions, it will be under Russias demands don't be fooled

Zelensky will be removed,, Ukraines military will be dismantled, Russia will install a friendly government in Ukraine and the war will continue until Ukranian resistance stops, it's that simple

Zelensky surrender, save Ukranian lives!

 

[TPop]

What does the relationship between the United States and Cuba have to do with the death of the inhabitants of Ukraine. This argument is not convincing to me. At the time when its independence was recognized in 1991-1992, Ukraine had more missiles (including those with nuclear warheads) than any European country except Russia. The fault of Ukraine, as a state, is only in gullibility: Ukraine believed that if it gave all these missiles to Russia, then the United States and Russia would guarantee its security, because this is the first precedent in the world for the voluntary renunciation of nuclear weapons.

Ukraine is not Cuba. If we are to draw analogies, then Ukraine for Russia is like Great Britain for the United States. What if the USA went crazy and took away part of the territory from Great Britain by military means? What would Britain do?

Regarding the Minsk agreements Minsk-1 and Minsk-2, you are definitely wrong here. Firstly, there was no serious investigation into who violated them and whether they violated them at all. Just propaganda. Secondly, there are statistics: in 2021, 19 civilians died in Donbass. It is sad. But to compare 19 people = 190,000 people and say that they are the same thing is cynicism and meanness.

Russia annexed Ukraine around 1700 and then deceived for the first time: it introduced serfdom and took away the land from the Ukrainian Cossacks. So free people became slaves right up until 1861, when serfdom was abolished in the Russian Empire. At least read the story.

Russia was forced to take part in an arms race. We will not discuss how moral or immoral this is. There was also an arms race between the USSR and the USA from 1945 to 1991. But then no one was stupid enough to attack first. After 2014, Russia is drawn into a new arms race, but hundreds of thousands killed, a million maimed and many millions of broken destinies can no longer be restored.

Do you think it’s normal that governments lie and ordinary people die? Are you ready to die because your government is lying?

What have you, as a Christian, done to stop the bloodshed?

Well. The topic is why Russia performed its SMO. Is it not?

The reason they did is because the US and NATO promised not to expand into Soviet satellite counties or near their borders. Do some research and find out how often that was stated.

The US and Nato would not allow Russia to expand support into Cuba. Russia is not allowing the US and Nato to expand into Ukraine. It's that easy. Your claim that it is not the same is absurdly incorrect. In fact, US/Nato into Ukraine is WORSE than Russia into Cuba. An island that armies cannot invade from.

I don't think you know 1/100 about this as you believe you do. Ukraine is on record saying they only used Minsk 1 and 2 for what? You go look.

You are seriously stating that Kiev only killed 19 civilians in Eastern regions from 2014 to today? They have been bombing Easter Russian speaking for nearly 10 years. I'm sorry.

19 people to 190k and you really believe that? Or you think I should and call me names for not? There is no point in discussing this with someone so completely uneducated and blind to the topic. I border on thinking you are a paid troll because little of what you say is founded in truth. Not even the truth CNN puts out. Good day.

Peace and Blessings.

 

[TPop]

Unfortunately, we cannot leave Ukraine. For Ukrainian men aged 18 to 60 years, the Ukrainian border is closed (except for disabled people, large families and some others).

Some politicians want to close the border to women leaving Ukraine as well.

Yes. And Kiev is going to fight to the last able bodied Ukrainian Man, Woman, Elderly, and probably teen child. Because that is what the evil Zelensky demands. Nope. Ukrain could have lived side by side with Russian. Pumping Russian fuel. Supplying the world with Ukrainian grain. But it was too full of corruption from the Deepstate and Western Elites that Hate the Slavic people. Even though Ukrainians are Brothers and Sisters with Russians, the leaders like being paid to kill their own Slavic people. Which many Ukrainians share.

 

[TPop]

650 people have been sentenced, and the vast majority were simple citizens taking a invited capitol tour as the recently revealed Jan 6th video clips show

(Those below are prime examples) and there are "several more" not posted, one count of entering and remaining in the building, that capitol police were inviting and giving tours in, it wasn't restricted, with the Jan 6th committee withholding video footage to prove their innocence "Criminal"

20 days prison, weekends?

Treniss Jewell Evans III, 46, of Canyon Lake, Texas, was sentenced to 20 days of intermittent incarceration—meaning the sentence can be served at weekends— three years of probation and ordered to pay a combined $5,525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

6 months prison?

Billy Knutson, 36, of North Carolina, was sentenced to six months in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

60 days prison?

Annie Howell, 30, of Swoyersville, Pennsylvania, was sentenced to 60 days of intermittent incarceration, three years of probation, 60 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

90 days prison?

Kelly O'Brien, 49, of North Whitehall Township, Pennsylvania, was sentenced to 90 days in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $1,525 after pleading guilty to one charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

90 days prison?

James Bonet, 29, of Glens Falls, New York, was sentenced to 90 days in prison, a year of supervised release, 200 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

50 days prison?

William Tryon, 70, of Selkirk, New York, was sentenced to 50 days in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $1,525 after pleading guilty to one charge of entering a restricted building.

80 days prison time?

Neil Ashcraft, 38, of Sanford, Florida, was sentenced to 80 days in prison, three years of supervised release and ordered to pay $50 after pleading guilty to entering a restricted building and theft of government property.

75 days prison?

Adam Christian Johnson, 36, of Bradenton, Florida, was sentenced to 75 days in prison, a year of supervised release, 200 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $5,525 after pleading guilty to entering and remaining in a restricted building.

90 days prison?

Thomas Baranyi, 29, of Ewing, New Jersey, was sentenced to 90 days in prison, a year of supervised release, 60 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to entering and remaining in a restricted building.

75 days prison?

Jeffrey Grace, 61, of Battle Ground, Washington, was sentenced to 75 days in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to entering and remaining in a restricted building.

60 days prison?

Daniel Goodwyn, 32, of San Francisco, California, was sentenced to 60 days in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $3,025 after pleading guilty to entering and remaining in a restricted building.

75 days prison?

Jeffrey Xavier Finley, 28, of Martinsburg, West Virginia, was sentenced to 75 days in prison, a year of supervised release, 60 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to entering and remaining in a restricted building.

70 days prison?

Ryan Keith Ashlock, of Gardner, Kansas, was sentenced to 70 days in prison, 12 months of supervised release, 100 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

120 days prison?

Samuel J. Fisher, also known as "Brad Holiday," 35, of New York City, was sentenced to 120 days in prison, a year of supervised release, 60 hours of community service and ordered to pay a combined $525 after pleading guilty to one count of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

60 days prison, $10,025?

Simone Melissa Gold, 55, of Beverly Hills, California, was sentenced to 60 days in prison, a year of supervised release and ordered to pay a combined $10,025 after pleading guilty to one charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building.

You can post this all you want. They do not care. The only people not cheering for this that I have ever seen are Conservatives. Ideology, politics, and winning now trump truth for so many people in this country. Even 'christians'.

Peace and Blessings.

 

[TPop]

A truce is one thing, but surrender is another. I think that you yourself would not risk coming from US to Ukraine ( the occupied territories) to check what Russian soldiers would do to you.

On the other hand, not all men can be soldiers. This is precisely the main reason for the huge losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (in addition to the mistake of advancing through minefields without aviation support and lack of weapons). Many men who are caught by the state and put in uniform cannot learn to be good soldiers either due to health conditions, or age, or for psychological reasons. For many it is easier to die than to learn to be good soldiers. It would be good to let such people out of Ukraine or leave them alone. It seems to me that those who are in poor health, too afraid, or unable to kill, are of little use in war. Such people greatly increase losses.

It seems to me that the American advisers to our command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, like professional military men, do not understand that not everyone is like them, not everyone can be soldiers.

At least American Christians will understand such people?

You just dont want to surrender, because then Putin will in fact be shown to NOT be the monster you say he is. Also, you don't want those who separated because of their horrible treatment by Western Ukrainians to go free. But they voted. They are not coming back. And I know you are good with that, unless you can show me the posts you have about how horrible it was for the US and Western Deepstate Elites to attack and split up Serbia with ZERO UN approval.

I mean, you cant complain about your country being divided if you expect others to stand with you. But did you stand with Serbia? Or other countries being divided by the West? I can't wait to see your historical posts supporting the Serbs.

 

[TPop]

Trump says that it is not Zelensky who is actually fighting, that it is a proxy war. Ukraine, by proxy from the United States, is at war with Russia. The United States has not yet deployed even 1% of its troops. Trump says Zelensky doesn't make the decision, Biden makes the decision.

Russia has no less reasons to surrender than Ukraine. Should it come to this? All wars have ended at the negotiating table for the last 100 years anyway. Russia also has a shortage of people. And the material losses are huge. Trump says he could convince both Putin and Zelensky in 24 hours!

It's time to stop this bloodshed!

Ukraine has no army. They have burned through what can be called loosely, 5 armies thus far. They are done.

Russia has 650k troops in the new territories. Russia has not even committed 20% of her top troops. Ukraine has no more middling to top troops left. US will Never put more than a few 1000k troops in Ukraine because Russia would kill them all like they have done to 5 armies so far, and a ton of mercenaries. And the US Citizens see no reason for it. They are starting to see that Russia is only doing what the Deepstate/Elites has forced them to. Mercenaries barely even come to help anymore because Ukraine is so corrupt and broken.

Putin does not want the corruption of Ukraine. But he would have worked with all of Ukraine to promote peace, stability, energy, and food. But the West does not want that. The West wants to decimate the Slavs. And so Kyiv bombs and kills tens of thousands of civilians in the eastern areas. Removeing right after right of those in the east until they just said no more.

Your govt. forced one of the most productive areas of your country to say no more. You will no longer do this to us.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Well. The topic is why Russia performed its SMO. Is it not?

The reason they did is because the US and NATO promised not to expand into Soviet satellite counties or near their borders. Do some research and find out how often that was stated.

The US and Nato would not allow Russia to expand support into Cuba. Russia is not allowing the US and Nato to expand into Ukraine. It's that easy. Your claim that it is not the same is absurdly incorrect. In fact, US/Nato into Ukraine is WORSE than Russia into Cuba. An island that armies cannot invade from.

I don't think you know 1/100 about this as you believe you do. Ukraine is on record saying they only used Minsk 1 and 2 for what? You go look.

You are seriously stating that Kiev only killed 19 civilians in Eastern regions from 2014 to today? They have been bombing Easter Russian speaking for nearly 10 years. I'm sorry.

19 people to 190k and you really believe that? Or you think I should and call me names for not? There is no point in discussing this with someone so completely uneducated and blind to the topic. I border on thinking you are a paid troll because little of what you say is founded in truth. Not even the truth CNN puts out. Good day.

Peace and Blessings.

You are the troll. You have empty unsubstantiated statements.

But since this is the first time you wrote this nonsense, I will answer you.

1. Why did Russia start the SVO? Russia itself cannot give a precise answer. She had many versions:
1) help to the people of Donbass (In Donbass, she killed tens of thousands of people, deprived hundreds of thousands of homes and millions fled - that’s how they helped);
2) the danger that Ukraine would not be the first to attack: everyone sees that without external help Ukraine cannot even defend itself (which is incomparably easier), much less attack;
3) NATO’s approach to Russia’s borders is hypocrisy: Russia will never attack Finland or Sweden because it knows that Western countries will truly defend them, and not like Ukraine.
In fact, Russia cares little about NATO, they only care about who will have power in Moscow, and the war with Ukraine allows them to strengthen this power.

If you claim to know history, you should know that for Russia Ukraine is like Great Britain for the United States (and not some kind of Cuba). Therefore your analogy is incorrect. Finland is similar to Cuba (a foreign nation with a different language), but Russia is afraid of attacking Finland. The current leadership of Russia has deprived it of its strongest and most faithful ally, with whom Napoleon and Hitler were defeated (Ukraine).

In 2020, 50 people were killed (died) during the fighting; received injuries (damages) during the combat situation - 338 people", - noted in the General Staff. in 2021, 65 people were killed (died) during the fighting; received injuries (injuries) during the combat situation - 263 people На Донбасі в 2021 році загинуло 65 українських військових, 263 поранено, - Генштаб

50 people and 150 thousand people: do you see the difference in the scale of the death of people? Is 50=150,000 for you?

I am not saying that 19 people died between 2014 and 2021. I wrote that the conflict subsided. Every year, fewer and fewer civilians died. And in 2021, only 19 people died of peaceful people during the whole year. The war has almost entered the cold phase. 19 men is also bad. But what did they do in 2022? In Mariupol alone, tens of thousands died during the assault. At least 1,000 civilians have died in every city that Russia has captured since 2022.

CNN is not telling the WHOLE truth either. Selectively speaks in such a way as to keep the American audience in a warm bath. They do not convey the scale of the tragedy, otherwise their viewers would have to run to psychiatrists.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Yes. And Kiev is going to fight to the last able bodied Ukrainian Man, Woman, Elderly, and probably teen child. Because that is what the evil Zelensky demands. Nope. Ukrain could have lived side by side with Russian. Pumping Russian fuel. Supplying the world with Ukrainian grain. But it was too full of corruption from the Deepstate and Western Elites that Hate the Slavic people. Even though Ukrainians are Brothers and Sisters with Russians, the leaders like being paid to kill their own Slavic people. Which many Ukrainians share.

You look distant. Imagine that you are a citizen of Ukraine, closed in Ukraine. On the one hand, the Russian army comes and kills, and on the other, recruiters catch, dress in uniform and send to death. Where should people go?

 

[Matt5]

You are the troll. You have empty unsubstantiated statements.

But since this is the first time you wrote this nonsense, I will answer you.

1. Why did Russia start the SVO? Russia itself cannot give a precise answer. She had many versions:

About two months (17.Dec.2021) before the Ukraine SMO (24.Feb.2022), Russia some demands of the West: Nato out of E. Europe and the US reduced to a regional role only, or else Russia will launch a military-technical response.

What Does the Russian Ultimatum to the West Mean? | Desk Russie

"The Russian blackmail [on Dec. 17, 2021] is explicit and is directed at both the Americans and the Europeans. If the West does not accept the Russian ultimatum, they will have to face “a military and technical alternative”, according to Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko: “The Europeans must also think about whether they want to avoid making their continent the scene of a military confrontation. They have a choice. Either they take seriously what is put on the table, or they face a military-technical alternative.”"

"In a word, Russia is demanding that NATO commit suicide, and that the United States be reduced to the role of a regional power."

The Russian SMO was clearly meant to be a part of a much bigger operation that would eject Nato out of E. Europe.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

You just dont want to surrender, because then Putin will in fact be shown to NOT be the monster you say he is. Also, you don't want those who separated because of their horrible treatment by Western Ukrainians to go free. But they voted. They are not coming back. And I know you are good with that, unless you can show me the posts you have about how horrible it was for the US and Western Deepstate Elites to attack and split up Serbia with ZERO UN approval.

I mean, you cant complain about your country being divided if you expect others to stand with you. But did you stand with Serbia? Or other countries being divided by the West? I can't wait to see your historical posts supporting the Serbs.

If we do not take into account the cities that were wiped off the face of the earth by the Russian army (Marinka, Bakhmut, Soledar, Avdeevka and others), then even in Severodonetsk and Donetsk people suffer from the fact that Russia does not help them at all, people are suffocating from undelivered sewage waste, lack of money and work, many suffer without water and without electricity. And all this is on territory controlled by Russia. Russia robs these cities, exports wealth, and turns people into semi-beggars.
Only Crimea lives no worse than under Ukraine (materially, in terms of quality of life). All other lands captured by Russia live worse than under Ukraine and worse than in Russia. In Europe, no one lives as poorly as the people in these territories. The laws don't work there. People are unprotected and powerless. People are suffering there. But Ukraine does not have the strength to liberate them by military means. We can only rely on diplomacy.
One cannot generalize either eastern or western Ukrainians. People are different everywhere. both in the east and in the west there are noble people and vile people, just as in the USA, in each state there are different people who are tolerant of dissent and intolerant of other people’s opinions. It doesn't always depend on the territory. Yes, we have a problem of financial dependence on other countries. There is an Eastern proverb: the wolf you feed becomes stronger. Why does the United States financially support Western Ukraine and its anti-Russian part? As an American, you should know better. You don’t support Ukraine as a whole, you support certain groups in Ukraine who use this money to buy victory in the elections. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's how I see it. They shout at the video cameras what those who pay them want to hear. Don’t pay national radicals, pay defenders of the Ukrainian Сonstitution and you will see a different government and a different Ukraine in Ukraine. That's how I see it now. Maybe I'm wrong.

I read somewhere that there are also provocateurs paid for by Russia. They don't believe what they are shouting. Russia paid them and they are earning this money: they shout anti-Russian and Nazi slogans. Then Russia films it on video and shows it as “evidence”...

This is all big theater and circus. It's just a shame that so many people are dying.

 

[ValeriyK2022]

Regarding US intervention. Ukrainians give the example that after 1945 the United States intervened in Germany, France, Italy and Japan, as well as South Korea. Look how they live: human rights, high technology and a high quality of life are respected and that’s how we want it.

But they show us a different picture. They say that the United States also intervened in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. And look how they live.

Why does the first group of countries live like people, while the second group is destroyed by wars and crisis?

Ukraine hoped to get into the first group. But where will we end up?

The process was dangerously delayed. Europe is getting used to blood. This could deprive Europeans and Americans of the instinct of self-preservation, and then there will be trouble. Everyone will fight against everyone if this is not stopped in time.

 

[TPop]

You are the troll. You have empty unsubstantiated statements.

But since this is the first time you wrote this nonsense, I will answer you.

1. Why did Russia start the SVO? Russia itself cannot give a precise answer. She had many versions:
1) help to the people of Donbass (In Donbass, she killed tens of thousands of people, deprived hundreds of thousands of homes and millions fled - that’s how they helped);
2) the danger that Ukraine would not be the first to attack: everyone sees that without external help Ukraine cannot even defend itself (which is incomparably easier), much less attack;
3) NATO’s approach to Russia’s borders is hypocrisy: Russia will never attack Finland or Sweden because it knows that Western countries will truly defend them, and not like Ukraine.
In fact, Russia cares little about NATO, they only care about who will have power in Moscow, and the war with Ukraine allows them to strengthen this power.

If you claim to know history, you should know that for Russia Ukraine is like Great Britain for the United States (and not some kind of Cuba). Therefore your analogy is incorrect. Finland is similar to Cuba (a foreign nation with a different language), but Russia is afraid of attacking Finland. The current leadership of Russia has deprived it of its strongest and most faithful ally, with whom Napoleon and Hitler were defeated (Ukraine).

In 2020, 50 people were killed (died) during the fighting; received injuries (damages) during the combat situation - 338 people", - noted in the General Staff. in 2021, 65 people were killed (died) during the fighting; received injuries (injuries) during the combat situation - 263 people На Донбасі в 2021 році загинуло 65 українських військових, 263 поранено, - Генштаб

50 people and 150 thousand people: do you see the difference in the scale of the death of people? Is 50=150,000 for you?

I am not saying that 19 people died between 2014 and 2021. I wrote that the conflict subsided. Every year, fewer and fewer civilians died. And in 2021, only 19 people died of peaceful people during the whole year. The war has almost entered the cold phase. 19 men is also bad. But what did they do in 2022? In Mariupol alone, tens of thousands died during the assault. At least 1,000 civilians have died in every city that Russia has captured since 2022.

CNN is not telling the WHOLE truth either. Selectively speaks in such a way as to keep the American audience in a warm bath. They do not convey the scale of the tragedy, otherwise their viewers would have to run to psychiatrists.

Russia went in because for years Kyiv bombed and attacked the Donbass and her people.
They did this because prior to that Kyiv started creating laws against the Russian speakers in the Donbass regions.
To which the people rebelled. So Kyiv attacked them.

I don't know about you. But in the USA and most other countries, we don't make laws against certain regions and people. A mature healthy country does not do that.

That is right. Ukraine is like Scottland is to England, In That, if you think London is going to let China march in and start taking over Scottland like the Western Elites have done to Ukraine, all in an attempt to indirectly attack and wear down Russia, London would also say Heck No! Very good. You made my point for me.

Cuba is simply an example of Russia doing on our borders what the USA is doing on Russia's border. Why is that so hard to understand?

Yes, of course, deaths subsided after Minsk 1 and 2. Of course. But there were 14k death prior and leading up to the SMO. Civilian deaths from Kyivs bombing of Donbas.

And it is all very convenient to ignore what brought us to the SMO. Russia's SMO was in response to something. Unless you are going to tell me the country in the top 25 (Russia), that has had the least expansion desires out of all top 25 countries (Russia), is now storming towards France.

Of course, people are dying. That is what happens when the Western Elites, whom you think are your friends, use your country and Zelinsky as a puppet to exact wear and tear on Russia. People die when others say no more of this. We are not taking it anymore. It is over and done with. Just like Serbia being divided by the West. Good for Serbia. Good for Ukraine. Since Kyiv was not a friend to Donbas.

Where is the tragedy? Only Western Ukraine ever experienced a tragedy? Or was it predominantly, by far, in the Donbas region against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians???

And if you don't like the tradgedy, which is now all lopsided against Ukraine since the SMO. Get your govt out of Donbas regions because they don't want anything to do with you and your evil Kyiv government supported by evil Western Elites that Hate Russia/Slavs and want to destroy Russia. As if they ever could.

That is how stupid the Western Elites are. That is how greedy Kyiv politicians are. Russia obliterated Kyiv's military the first two weeks. Something you militarily fail to acknowledge. Kyiv's military was destroyed the first two weeks. They made pretend army 2, 3, 4, 5 and lost them all. But the Western money lifeline, a joke, continues, so that the WEF folks and depopulate Ukraine. Putin says No! Everything since then has pretended to work because Russia does not want Ukrain. They have nearly 3/4 of a million troops there. Ukraine can't compete with that. Ukraine has no tanks, no artillery, no planes, no army. Nothing. Ukraine lost 18 months ago and has been on life support killing its own people since.

Russia wants nothing to do with the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe. Putin is smart. He does not want that mess. All you have to do is not join Nato. Everything was fine. Until Kyiv starting treating the east like less than, and the east finally had enough.

How about this? From 2010 forward to pre 2022. You tell us what Kyiv's faults are that led up to this???

 

[TPop]

You look distant. Imagine that you are a citizen of Ukraine, closed in Ukraine. On the one hand, the Russian army comes and kills, and on the other, recruiters catch, dress in uniform and send to death. Where should people go?

Now you act like you are not blaming Evil Russia as 100% at fault for this and the cause of all your problems?
Now you are some noble Ukrainian? Have you once ever commented on the plight of the Donbas people other than to say, they are having a rough time. Long prior to 2022. Prior to Minsk's. Do you have no comment on the lives of the Donbas people and what Kyiv has continually done to them, their region, their families? LONG before Russia stepped in.

Really. Recruiters? So that is the maximum bad Kyiv is doing? All the while it is really Russia Russia Russia.

It is the Western Elites using your country, replacing your leaders, and destroying everything Ukraine for their own purposes. Russia is the least of everyone's problems.

 

[Lukaris]

Russia went in because for years Kyiv bombed and attacked the Donbass and her people.
They did this because prior to that Kyiv started creating laws against the Russian speakers in the Donbass regions.
To which the people rebelled. So Kyiv attacked them.

I don't know about you. But in the USA and most other countries, we don't make laws against certain regions and people. A mature healthy country does not do that.

That is right. Ukraine is like Scottland is to England, In That, if you think London is going to let China march in and start taking over Scottland like the Western Elites have done to Ukraine, all in an attempt to indirectly attack and wear down Russia, London would also say Heck No! Very good. You made my point for me.

Cuba is simply an example of Russia doing on our borders what the USA is doing on Russia's border. Why is that so hard to understand?

Yes, of course, deaths subsided after Minsk 1 and 2. Of course. But there were 14k death prior and leading up to the SMO. Civilian deaths from Kyivs bombing of Donbas.

And it is all very convenient to ignore what brought us to the SMO. Russia's SMO was in response to something. Unless you are going to tell me the country in the top 25 (Russia), that has had the least expansion desires out of all top 25 countries (Russia), is now storming towards France.

Of course, people are dying. That is what happens when the Western Elites, whom you think are your friends, use your country and Zelinsky as a puppet to exact wear and tear on Russia. People die when others say no more of this. We are not taking it anymore. It is over and done with. Just like Serbia being divided by the West. Good for Serbia. Good for Ukraine. Since Kyiv was not a friend to Donbas.

Where is the tragedy? Only Western Ukraine ever experienced a tragedy? Or was it predominantly, by far, in the Donbas region against the Russian-speaking Ukrainians???

And if you don't like the tradgedy, which is now all lopsided against Ukraine since the SMO. Get your govt out of Donbas regions because they don't want anything to do with you and your evil Kyiv government supported by evil Western Elites that Hate Russia/Slavs and want to destroy Russia. As if they ever could.

That is how stupid the Western Elites are. That is how greedy Kyiv politicians are. Russia obliterated Kyiv's military the first two weeks. Something you militarily fail to acknowledge. Kyiv's military was destroyed the first two weeks. They made pretend army 2, 3, 4, 5 and lost them all. But the Western money lifeline, a joke, continues, so that the WEF folks and depopulate Ukraine. Putin says No! Everything since then has pretended to work because Russia does not want Ukrain. They have nearly 3/4 of a million troops there. Ukraine can't compete with that. Ukraine has no tanks, no artillery, no planes, no army. Nothing. Ukraine lost 18 months ago and has been on life support killing its own people since.

Russia wants nothing to do with the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe. Putin is smart. He does not want that mess. All you have to do is not join Nato. Everything was fine. Until Kyiv starting treating the east like less than, and the east finally had enough.

How about this? From 2010 forward to pre 2022. You tell us what Kyiv's faults are that led up to this???

Now you act like you are not blaming Evil Russia as 100% at fault for this and the cause of all your problems?
Now you are some noble Ukrainian? Have you once ever commented on the plight of the Donbas people other than to say, they are having a rough time. Long prior to 2022. Prior to Minsk's. Do you have no comment on the lives of the Donbas people and what Kyiv has continually done to them, their region, their families? LONG before Russia stepped in.

Really. Recruiters? So that is the maximum bad Kyiv is doing? All the while it is really Russia Russia Russia.

It is the Western Elites using your country, replacing your leaders, and destroying everything Ukraine for their own purposes. Russia is the least of everyone's problems.

At the very least, it seems that there was just as much Russian provocation in the Donbas conflict. I will at least provide a link to a satisfactory wiki article to back up what I say.





March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatistsseized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In

War in Donbas - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TPop]

About two months (17.Dec.2021) before the Ukraine SMO (24.Feb.2022), Russia some demands of the West: Nato out of E. Europe and the US reduced to a regional role only, or else Russia will launch a military-technical response.

What Does the Russian Ultimatum to the West Mean? | Desk Russie

"The Russian blackmail [on Dec. 17, 2021] is explicit and is directed at both the Americans and the Europeans. If the West does not accept the Russian ultimatum, they will have to face “a military and technical alternative”, according to Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko: “The Europeans must also think about whether they want to avoid making their continent the scene of a military confrontation. They have a choice. Either they take seriously what is put on the table, or they face a military-technical alternative.”"

"In a word, Russia is demanding that NATO commit suicide, and that the United States be reduced to the role of a regional power."

The Russian SMO was clearly meant to be a part of a much bigger operation that would eject Nato out of E. Europe.

Now the real story. Источник: https://russtrat.ru/analytics/22-dekabrya-2021-0010-7741

"...the president noted the skepticism on the faces of the employees of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, since earlier there was a violation of previously reached agreements by the West. Teat no less, the president said this must be done to avoid unexpected incidents."

"So during a hearing in the US Senate, Deputy Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland told congressmen that Russia’s demands to remove NATO troops from the western borders of Russia, to exclude the entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and to stop arming Ukraine are clearly unacceptable."

"However, on December 9, State Department spokesman Ned Price disavowed the possibility of such negotiations, and on December 12, the head of the State Department Anthony Blinkenstated, that the new meeting of the leaders of the United States and Russia is not advisable until the Russian president withdraws troops from borders yy with Ukraine."

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Therefore, under the contracts it is proposed to cancel obligationsand on joining NATO Ukraine and Georgia and refuse to accept post-Soviet countries into the alliance. In addition, the United States and NATO must take over obligespruce do not place additional military and weaponsy outside the countries in which they were in May 1997 (before joining the alliance of Eastern European countries). The United States is invited not to deploy medium- and shorter-range missiles where they can hit the other side Of the contract. NATO needs to abandon any military activity in Ukraine, Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, and Central Asia. NATO and Russia agree not to deploy weapons and forces in areas where this will be perceived by the other side as a threat to national security, not to deploy nuclear weapons abroad and to return the already deployed, as well as liquidate the infrastructure for the deployment of nuclear weapons outside their territory, as well as other measures. Ryabkov noted that security in the modern world can only be achieved in within the framework of international law and the Russian initiative has powerful potential for the formation of European security."

There is a lot more to read.

 

[TPop]

At the very least, it seems that there was just as much Russian provocation in the Donbas conflict. I will at least provide a link to a satisfactory wiki article to back up what I say.





March 2014, following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, collectively 'the Donbas'. These began as Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. Armed Russian-backed separatistsseized Ukrainian government buildings and declared the Donetsk and Luhansk republics (DPR and LPR) as independent states, leading to conflict with Ukrainian government forces.[27] Russia covertly supported the separatists with troops and weaponry. It only admitted sending "military specialists",[28][29] but later acknowledged the separatists as Russian combat veterans.[30] In

War in Donbas - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It was not a Revolution of Dignity. It was a US-orchestrated overthrow of Ukraine's govt. in order to get to the point where were are now. Most distrust, more instability, money transfers, and wealth accumulation by the Western Elites. The USA owns all Nato countries. The USA owns most Central and South American countries. The US owns most African countries. And if not the US. France and England. And it is all to line the pockets of the Western WEF Elites.