Romans 6, Freed from sin?

[Foghorn]

But what made them decide while others didn't?

Bump to, PROPHECYKID

 

[Foghorn]

Just as all who say they are of Christ, are not truly in Christ. Just as Jesus said why do you call me Lord, and do not the will of my Father? We are called to be holy, as he is holy. But if we wilfully sin, then God's Spirit will depart from us, for the darkness has no place in the Light. For it is our sins that separate us from the Love of God.

I hope your talking about an unbeliever? Because the Spirit does not leave a believer.

 

[Foghorn]

To be clear, you are saying that given a certain circumstance, a Christian can/will be forgiven based upon the Law. Do you also believe that that a Christian can be condemned based upon the Law as well?

Hope you don't mind me cutting in here, I would just like to comment on this.

I believe this is the answer............

Romans 6:14 For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

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Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Foghorn]

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Are you suggesting there are believers who do not love God?

 

[Johnnz]

Back on topic.

In Romans 6 Paul takes the story of Israel and uses it to illustrate what Jesus has achieved. For Paul there are two styles of living, all that is outside of God (the flesh) and the new life in Christ (life in the Spirit). Baptism was likened to the exile. Just as Israel went through the sea and their oppressors were drowned, so we are now New people, separated from our past. Jesus took the old Adam (flesh) and buried him along with all of our fallen humanity. Then we are raised into a new life.

The old man is the old Adam, not some inner being in each of us. We are now being recreated in the image of the new man, the last Adam. Romans 8 is all about living from the basis of the new life we have by the Spirit.

Our freedom is twofold. Death - we will be resurrected with new bodies to live forever. Sin - now we have a new source of life within, creating both desire and capacity to change. Change is a process as we learn new habits, values and ways to live (Rom 12:1-2). Issues from our past are embedded within our memories, habits and beliefs, so all find we have issues that take time and application to change. But that i snot some evil presence, an old man, living inside of us.

John
NZ

 

[Foghorn]

Back on topic.

In Romans 6 Paul takes the story of Israel and uses it to illustrate what Jesus has achieved. For Paul there are two styles of living, all that is outside of God (the flesh) and the new life in Christ (life in the Spirit). Baptism was likened to the exile. Just as Israel went through the sea and their oppressors were drowned, so we are now New people, separated from our past. Jesus took the old Adam (flesh) and buried him along with all of our fallen humanity. Then we are raised into a new life.

The old man is the old Adam, not some inner being in each of us. We are now being recreated in the image of the new man, the last Adam. Romans 8 is all about living from the basis of the new life we have by the Spirit.

Our freedom is twofold. Death - we will be resurrected with new bodies to live forever. Sin - now we have a new source of life within, creating both desire and capacity to change. Change is a process as we learn new habits, values and ways to live (Rom 12:1-2). Issues from our past are embedded within our memories, habits and beliefs, so all find we have issues that take time and application to change. But that i snot some evil presence, an old man, living inside of us.

John
NZ

Nice post!

Curious of your thoughts on this: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. Rom 6:14.How would you explain this verse?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Are you suggesting there are believers who do not love God?

I dont see where InSpiritIntruth suggested anything, he just posted Jesus words, unless you believe Jesus was suggesting it rather the InSpirit?

 

[Foghorn]

I dont see where InSpiritIntruth suggested anything, he just posted Jesus words, unless you believe Jesus was suggesting it rather the InSpirit?

Thanks for your opinion.

But I would rather wait for an answer from him, no offense.
It's surprising sometimes of people answers, and it helps to understand where they are coming from. Last, I am not accusing anyone of anything, I just asked a question.


Thanks.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks for your opinion.

But I would rather wait for an answer from him, no offense.
It's surprising sometimes of people answers, and it helps to understand where they are coming from. Last, I am not accusing anyone of anything, I just asked a question.


Thanks.

Sure, its just that Jesus said that

 

[Johnnz]

Curious of your thoughts on this: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. Rom 6:14.How would you explain this verse?

Go back to the Exodus, a theme Paul often refers to in Romans (and elsewhere). On one side of the sea were the Egyptians, on the other the Israelites, totally separated. The slaves were now free, able to live their own lives as they chose. So are we now, free to live under the rule of the King, no longer enslaved to what previously held, blinded, or deceived us.

Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, NIV

Col 2:9-15 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.NIV
John
NZ

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Are you suggesting there are believers who do not love God?

Friend all I'm doing is qouting scriptures, you are the one who is making that suggestion about me.

 

[Foghorn]

Sure, its just that Jesus said that

Thanks,

Would you share your thoughts on this verse?: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. Rom 6:14.How would you explain this verse?

 

[Foghorn]

Friend all I'm doing is qouting scriptures, you are the one who is making that suggestion about me.

No actually I'm not, I just asked a question. Sorry about the confusion.

 

[Foghorn]

Go back to the Exodus, a theme Paul often refers to in Romans (and elsewhere). On one side of the sea were the Egyptians, on the other the Israelites, totally separated. The slaves were now free, able to live their own lives as they chose. So are we now, free to live under the rule of the King, no longer enslaved to what previously held, blinded, or deceived us.

Col 1:13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, NIV

Col 2:9-15 9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having cancelled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.NIV
John
NZ

Thanks for sharing that John, God bless.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Friend all I'm doing is qouting scriptures, you are the one who is making that suggestion about me.

Ezek 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.

His words not yours

 

[Foghorn]

Ezek 2:7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.

His words not yours

Thanks for the understanding.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks,

Would you share your thoughts on this verse?: For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. Rom 6:14.How would you explain this verse?

That sin wont have dominion over you because you are under grace

 

[Foghorn]

That sin wont have dominion over you because you are under grace

Ok, thanks for sharing.

 

[BobRyan]

Romans 6:6-7

6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

Whats everyone's thoughts on verse 6-7?

It seems to be teaching that our old self was crucified with Christ and the body of sin is dead (done away with), and we are no longer slaves to sin.

1) If this is the case, considering believers, where does sin come from if the body of sin is dead?

2) What does Paul mean we are freed from sin because the old self has died to it?

What does Paul mean when he says we were slaves to sin, but believers (in Christ) are no longer slaves to sin, but have been set free?

In Romans 8:5-6 Paul says of the wicked -- they have a "heart that does not submit to the LAW of God - neither indeed CAN it"

In Romans 6 we have the point made that the one who is enslaved to sinning- is the servant of sin not of righteousness.

[FONT=&quot]10For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11Even so consider yourselves to be [/FONT][FONT=&quot]dead to sin,[/FONT][FONT=&quot] but alive to God[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12Therefore [/FONT][FONT=&quot]do not let [/FONT][FONT=&quot]sin reign in your mortal body so that[/FONT][FONT=&quot] you obey[/FONT][FONT=&quot] its lusts, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13and do not go on presenting the members of your [/FONT][FONT=&quot]body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness[/FONT][FONT=&quot]; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead,
13 -and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]14For [/FONT][FONT=&quot]sin shall not be master over you[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for you are not under law but under grace.
15What then? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Shall we sin because we are not under law[/FONT][FONT=&quot] but under grace[/FONT][FONT=&quot]? [/FONT][FONT=&quot]May it never be![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are [/FONT][FONT=&quot]slaves of the one whom you obey[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT][FONT=&quot] either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17But thanks be to God that though [/FONT][FONT=&quot]you were slaves of sin[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT][FONT=&quot] you
became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18and having been freed from sin, you became [/FONT][FONT=&quot]slaves of righteousness[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT]

In 1Cor 10 Paul says "no temptation has overtaken you but SUCH as is common to all mankind and God will not ALLOW you to be tempted beyond that which YOU are able but will with the temptation provide the way of escape".

in Christ,

Bob