Righteousness...?

[BryanW92]

Pornography was not an issue, not a temptation, back then... Our ancestors didn't have visual images of naked men and women just a click away on the internet, if they did, I gaurantee the problem of it would have been far more prevalent...

Gay people, unlike porn, have always been around, and they were around in Jesus day, pornography was not...

Jesus could have approached a male temple prostitute, or the men who were having gay sexual relations with them, but he didn't

Why don't we have a "parable of the male temple prostitute", or gay man then, or any parables or Jesus hanging out with Gay people?

God Bless!

The absence of something in the bible should not be used to make a statement about it. After all, there is no mention of Jesus using the bathroom in the bible. But, I'm sure that he probably did.

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings Saints , " Righteousness...?" Yes , yes indeed .

Brother Vine translates " Righteousness " as ; Vines Topical Bible

" [SIZE=+1]<1,,1343,dikaiosune>
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is "the character or quality of being right or just;" it was formerly spelled "rightwiseness," which clearly expresses the meaning. It is used to denote an attribute of God," { read it for yourself }

"Dikaiosune is found in the sayings of the Lord Jesus, (a) of whatever is right or just in itself, whatever conforms to the revealed will of God, Matt. 5:6,10,20; John 16:8,10; (b) whatever has been appointed by God to be acknowledged and obeyed by man. Matt. 3:15; 21:32; { read it for yourself }
My choice is to trust Scripture & brother Vine has the word nailed .

Matthew 3:
6 and they were baptized in the Jordan by him, confessing their sins.
7 And having seen many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming about his baptism, he said to them, `Brood of vipers! who did shew you to flee from the coming wrath?
8 bear, therefore, fruits worthy of the reformation,


13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee upon the Jordan, unto John to be baptized by him,
14 but John was forbidding him, saying, `I have need by thee to be baptized -- and thou dost come unto me!'
15 But Jesus answering said to him, `Suffer now, for thus it is becoming to us to fulfill all righteousness,' then he doth suffer him.
16 And having been baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water, and lo, opened to him were the heavens, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him,
17 and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, `This is My Son -- the Beloved, in whom I did delight.'
4:1 Then Jesus was led up to the wilderness by the Spirit, to be tempted by the Devil,
12 And Jesus having heard that John was delivered up, did withdraw to Galilee,


( Our Master started HIS Ministry , after

( fulfilling all righteousness )
being empowered & tested . ) THE FREE GIFT .


17 From that time began Jesus to proclaim and to say, `Reform ye, for come nigh hath the reign of the heavens.'


Matthew 21:32 for John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye did not believe him, and the tax-gatherers and the harlots did believe him, and ye, having seen, repented not at last -- to believe him.


(b) whatever has been appointed by God to be acknowledged and obeyed by man. Matt. 3:15; 21:32; { read it for yourself }



For me , it's that simple .
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=righteousness&qs_version=YLT

 

[ron4shua]

Greetings Saints , " Righteousness...?" Yes , yes indeed .

Matthew 5 Young's Literal Translation

6 `Happy those hungering and thirsting for righteousness -- because they shall be filled.
10 `Happy those persecuted for righteousness' sake -- because theirs is the reign of the heavens.
20 `For I say to you, that if your righteousness may not abound above that of the scribes and Pharisees, ye may not enter to the reign of the heavens.

John 16:
7 `But I tell you the truth; it is better for you that I go away, for if I may not go away, the Comforter will not come unto you, and if I go on, I will send Him unto you;
8 and having come, He will convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment;
9 concerning sin indeed, because they do not believe in me;
10 and concerning righteousness, because unto my Father I go away, and no more do ye behold me;
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world hath been judged.


Isn't verse 11 a comport , " BEEN JUDGE " , HalleluYAH !


Matthew 6:Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfection we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,
2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on also of hands, of rising again also of the dead, and of judgment age-during,
3 and this we will do, if God may permit,
4 for [it is] impossible for those once enlightened, having tasted also of the heavenly gift, and partakers having became of the Holy Spirit,
5 and did taste the good saying of God, the powers also of the coming age,
6 and having fallen away, again to renew [them] to reformation, having crucified again to themselves the Son of God, and exposed to public shame.
7 For earth, that is drinking in the rain many times coming upon it, and is bringing forth herbs fit for those because of whom also it is dressed, doth partake of blessing from God,
8 and that which is bearing thorns and briers [is] disapproved of, and nigh to cursing, whose end [is] for burning;
33 but seek ye first the reign of God and His righteousness, and all these shall be added to you.

 

[Neogaia777]

The absence of something in the bible should not be used to make a statement about it. After all, there is no mention of Jesus using the bathroom in the bible. But, I'm sure that he probably did.

Th apostles would have taken note (and would have put it in the scriptures) of/if Jesus had any interaction with an openly gay person, they wouldn't have taken note of him going to bathroom...

God Bless!

 

[hedrick]

Righteousness and righteous are used through the OT and NT. The emphasis can vary, sometimes emphasizing a person who is accepted by God and sometimes the quality of their lives. On the other hand, these two emphases are closely tied, since God accepts people who live as he tells us to and who repent when they mess up.

Paul tells us that God makes people righteous through their faith, and at other points that he accepts faith as righteousness. At a minimum this indicates that he accepts those with faith as being right with him, but I think there's also the implication that this faith is the means by which he will change them so that their lives are righteous in the broader sense.

 

[BryanW92]

Th apostles would have taken note (and would have put it in the scriptures) of/if Jesus had any interaction with an openly gay person, they wouldn't have taken note of him going to bathroom...

God Bless!

There probably wasn't any such thing as an "openly gay person" in that culture (not in the sense that we would call it such today). On the other hand, the act of homosexual sex was not limited to gay people either, especially among the Romans and Hellenes. That's why Romans 1:26 is worded the way it is.

 

[Neogaia777]

There probably wasn't any such thing as an "openly gay person" in that culture (not in the sense that we would call it such today). On the other hand, the act of homosexual sex was not limited to gay people either.

There were gay temple prostitutes and those who would be seen going to them, why don't we ever hear about Jesus curing Gay people of their gayness, or curing the sexually perverted, well, maybe with female prostitutes, but never a Gay male or lesbian...

 

[BryanW92]

There were gay temple prostitutes and those who would be seen going to them, why don't we ever hear about Jesus curing Gay people of their gayness, or curing the sexually perverted, well, maybe with female prostitutes, but never a Gay male or lesbian...

The "gay" temple prostitutes were boys taken in for that duty. They were not openly gay men who chose a career of being a...receptacle. Perhaps the fact that he openly talked to heterosexual prostitutes but never to homosexual prostitutes is not because he thought they were doing a great service and did not need to stop (told the heterosexual prostitutes to go and sin no more). Perhaps he thought they were beyond saving, if they chose to live that lifestyle after their term of service in the temple (not the Jewish temple, mind you) was over.

So, let me get this straight. Are you arguing that he condoned homosexuality and temple b^tt boys, but that he thought that a divorced woman who made a living through prostitution was bad and she needed to stop?

 

[Neogaia777]

The "gay" temple prostitutes were boys taken in for that duty. They were not openly gay men who chose a career of being a...receptacle. Perhaps the fact that he openly talked to heterosexual prostitutes but never to homosexual prostitutes is not because he thought they were doing a great service and did not need to stop (told the heterosexual prostitutes to go and sin no more). Perhaps he thought they were beyond saving, if they chose to live that lifestyle after their term of service in the temple (not the Jewish temple, mind you) was over.

So, let me get this straight. Are you arguing that he condoned homosexuality and temple b^tt boys, but that he thought that a divorced woman who made a living through prostitution was bad and she needed to stop?

I'm saying we don't have any example or any evidence of, Jesus having anything to do with a Gay person, so, we have very little if not nothing to go on on Jesus perspective on homosexuals, or how and if he would react or be with a homosexual, so as to link it to, is it righteous to take a stance against homosexuality?

God Bless!

 

[BryanW92]

I'm saying we don't have any example or any evidence of, Jesus having anything to do with a Gay person, so, we have very little if not nothing to go on on Jesus perspective on homosexuals, or how and if he would react or be with a homosexual, so as to link it to, is it righteous to take a stance against homosexuality?

God Bless!

What about Romans 1:26?

 

[Neogaia777]

What about Romans 1:26?

what bout it?

 

[BryanW92]

what bout it?

Nothing, I guess. Just wanted to see if you acknowledge that it exists and answers the question about how we should view the gay sex act.

 

[Neogaia777]

Nothing, I guess. Just wanted to see if you acknowledge that it exists and answers the question about how we should view the gay sex act.

So, is someone speaking out against or taking their stand against the gay sexual acts and unions, is taking their stand for righteousness, or no?

What are some other examples of one taking their stand for righteousness? What about speaking out against violence, real or simulated in video games for example... I used to be enthralled by them, when I was younger, now the realism of some of the newer consoles, and the simulated violence bother me now...

God Bless!

 

[kristina411]

There were gay temple prostitutes and those who would be seen going to them, why don't we ever hear about Jesus curing Gay people of their gayness, or curing the sexually perverted, well, maybe with female prostitutes, but never a Gay male or lesbian...

Because it is a sin, not a disease.

We are tempted to sin, just as Jesus was tempted. Each of us have our weakness with sin. No where in scripture have I ever found Jesus rid temptation through miracles. That's up to us and our will power.

 

[Neogaia777]

Because it is a sin, not a disease.

We are tempted to sin, just as Jesus was tempted. Each of us have our weakness with sin. No where in scripture have I ever found Jesus rid temptation through miracles. That's up to us and our will power.

So, how do you treat that "sin" then, Do you take your stand against Gay people, are you accepting of them, Do you approve of their lifestyle? How do you react to gay neighbors or relatives?

God Bless!

 

[kristina411]

So, how do you treat that "sin" then, Do you take your stand against Gay people, are you accepting of them, Do you approve of their lifestyle? How do you react to gay neighbors or relatives?

God Bless!

You are honest about the law. But you realize that it is not your cross to bear. We all have them and God does not need me to fight his battles. I will if called, so when it is voting time I vote accordingly (on abortion as well) if I can.

I stand up for righteousness by worrying about my own righteousness instead of nit picking another. All the while loving one another. It is possible to love someone, even if you do not agree with their actions.
Nothing makes righteousness more appealing then a person living it.

 

[Neogaia777]

You are honest about the law. But you realize that it is not your cross to bear. We all have them and God does not need me to fight his battles. I will if called, so when it is voting time I vote accordingly (on abortion as well) if I can.

I stand up for righteousness by worrying about my own righteousness instead of nit picking another. All the while loving one another. It is possible to love someone, even if you do not agree with their actions.
Nothing makes righteousness more appealing then a person living it.

Is not righteousness an outright stand taken against sin? But how can we be righteous?, does it mean to judge sin?, How can you judge sin, without judging the sinner?

And how many times are we told not to judge, but it seems that Righteousness is to make a judgment call.

What is "our righteousness"?

God Bless!

 

[kristina411]

Is not righteousness an outright stand taken against sin? But how can we be righteous?, does it mean to judge sin?, How can you judge sin, without judging the sinner?

And how many times are we told not to judge, but it seems that Righteousness is to make a judgment call.

What is "our righteousness"?

God Bless!

It seems like you are spinning in circles. Righteousness has nothing to do with judgement of anyone but your own self. Righteousness has nothing to do with anything but living up to Gods commands, having genuine faith, a pure heart, a heart after God, a life that walks with Jesus. Did Jesus picket the temple when they sinned? No. But did he refrain from telling the sinners when they sinned as was necessary? Absolutely.

I am not righteous but I hope to be one day.

 

[Neogaia777]

It seems like you are spinning in circles. Righteousness has nothing to do with judgement of anyone but your own self. Righteousness has nothing to do with anything but living up to Gods commands, having genuine faith, a pure heart, a heart after God, a life that walks with Jesus. Did Jesus picket the temple when they sinned? No. But did he refrain from telling the sinners when they sinned as was necessary? Absolutely.

I am not righteous but I hope to be one day.

Well, your on the right path, what you said was good, but

You said "Anything "but" living up to God's commands", and if you were to do so, you'd be declared righteous and worthy and saved, sounds works based to me, I'm a "come as you are" sinner. Can I sin and walk after God at the same time, (I don't like to, I feel guilty) but "can" I, Yes.

 

[kristina411]

Well, your on the right path, what you said was good, but

You said "Anything "but" living up to God's commands", and if you were to do so, you'd be declared righteous and worthy and saved, sounds works based to me, I'm a "come as you are" sinner. Can I sin and walk after God at the same time, (I don't like to, I feel guilty) but "can" I, Yes.

It is in part work based but starts at faith. My sins from my past are unforgivable without Jesus. My future sins are unforgivable without Jesus and no amount of "works" can change this. But Jesus has changed this and now it is my responsibility to not take it for granted and to live the way I am expected to now that I am claiming Jesus' name I know works are useless without faith, I just wish people understood faith is non existent without at least striving for the works too.