• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The CF Faith Groups List has been updated. The Statement of Faith has also been updated (section on unorthodox Christian theology only). Please review both of these updates. If you would like to request a different faith group, please open a support ticket.

Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by AJCServant, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{continuing [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]from the previous post [/FONT]with this post}[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    <><> <><
    [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. In spite of sometimes having opposing views and focus for each of our life-efforts, I continually pray that “all” of these posts will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would prayerfully consider the truths therein.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2014
  2. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    <><> <><

    [/FONT]
    The following image &#8220;NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif&#8221; was originally attached to the thread-post at this link to >-- Post #[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]63[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] @ <>http:// www. christianforums. com/ t7756553-7/#post63771233<>[/FONT]
    [/FONT]


    <><> <><

    [​IMG]


    [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Mar 31, 2014
  3. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <>< [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I had previously posted the following excerpts and scriptures into another thread, and now here for good-hearted-souls to consider the many scriptural admonition's concerning how the ruthless and lawless Beelzebub has oftentimes &#8220;seduced&#8221; many, like Paul once was &#8220;seduced&#8221;, to fulfill >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 3:16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A &#8220;strong delusion&#8221; occurs whenever ones &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; is far removed from mentoring others to knowledgeably understand God's love, and His life strengthening prudence[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [2Thessalonians 2:11] [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 29:13-14 -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]but have removed their [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]far from me[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and their fear toward me is taught by the ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]doctrines-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 29 ESV[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - The Siege of Jerusalem[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The previous scripture above, Isaiah 29:13-14, was most [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviously[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] fulfilled in 70AD whenever the Jews were celebrating their &#8220;mandatory&#8221; feast days at Jerusalem &#8220;while&#8221; being surrounded by the Roman army.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Jewish Nation's &#8220;corporate&#8221; blindness that led to 70AD historically took root after the Babylonian Captivity whenever some &#8220;religious&#8221; &#8220;legalistic&#8221; scribes were &#8220;allowed&#8221; to use various scriptures as their authoritative proof-texts without others effectively voicing themselves concerning how the character and nature of God was being portrayed via those proof-texts. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Heavenly Father had obviously &#8220;allowed&#8221; these wayward texts to be published as &#8220;tares&#8221; within the scriptures - simply to train His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to learn to discern eternally holy doctrines that would promote God's holiness and love and vision for &#8220;all&#8221; of ones &#8220;neighbors&#8221; [+] from &#8220;demonic-doctrines-of-men&#8221; that do not.
    [*]
    [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And for His leaders-in-training, like Job again became, to then learn how to work in concert with His Holy Spirit to &#8220;reprove&#8221; any slanders that promoted the opposite of the truth about His unchanging and eternal vision, nature and character. [Two scriptural examples of &#8220;non-believing&#8221; religious leaders who were being &#8220;trained&#8221; in God's ways of &#8220;discernment&#8221; were the scribe in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mark 12:28-34[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and Gamaliel in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Acts 5:34-39.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: To investigate how Jesus' definition of one's &#8220;neighbor&#8221; was contrary to a &#8220;religious&#8221; scribe's viewpoint see via this link to >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][*: The most &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obvious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; example of a &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic-doctrine-of-men[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]inserted into the Torah is[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Numbers 15:30-36[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whereby the words used for &#8220;cut-off&#8221; should never have implied executing anyone by pelting them to death with stones[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], since these were the words used to &#8220;admonish&#8221; the &#8220;faithful&#8221; non-idolaters to separate themselves from any persons who &#8220;blatantly&#8221; chose to be &#8220;idolatrous&#8221; and or to pursue &#8220;self-destructive&#8221; &#8220;heathen&#8221; practices; as Moses &#8220;admonished&#8221; in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and as Jesus &#8220;admonished&#8221; in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and afterwards the Apostle Paul again repeated these same &#8220;admonitions&#8221; via his writings in >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Corinthians 5:11[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    <><
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    Whenever we look at the
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]maturing[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] process within the lives and writings of Paul and Peter, we see that our loving Creator was continually without favoritism gently pruning, sifting, chastening and encouraging them until their final day. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]One can [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]easily see[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Paul's maturing process within the following review of his writings.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dates given below were obtained from the ESV Study Bible Notes.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 &#8211; Romans 5 (cf 1John 2:2) - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] justified and made righteous[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD57 &#8211; Romans 11:32 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] receive mercy[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 &#8211; 1Cor 5:5 &#8211; destruction of their demon possessed flesh -[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- so their spirit may be saved [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]eternally[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 &#8211; 1Cor 15:22 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] made alive in Christ[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 &#8211; 1Cor 15:27 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] subject to him[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 &#8211; 2Cor 5:19 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] reconciled[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 &#8211; Eph 1:9-10 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] gathered up in him[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 &#8211; Phil 2:10-11 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] will worship him[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD62 &#8211; Col 1:20 - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] reconciled in Christ[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 &#8211; 1Tim 2:4 - salvation of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] desired[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 &#8211; 1Tim 2:6 - Christ was ransomed for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD64 &#8211; 1Tim 4:10 - Christ was savior of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]especially[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and therefore not limited to[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) those who believe[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    {continue with this post into the next post that follows}
    [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2014
  4. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{continuing from the previous post with this post}[/FONT][/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Originally Posted by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant at link >--[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]When Paul was less “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” in his ministry writings he wrote as is noted in this link to >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD48 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]that he had wished that any “Judaizers” who taught that the circumcision of one's flesh was necessary to obtain salvation in Jesus, would further “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]castrate[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” themselves.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As Paul “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]matured[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” beyond his earlier writings such as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Galatians 5:12[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD48 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]he then cogently discussed the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chastening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the Lord in his writings below, that obviously helped him in his “maturing” process, even though from his further writings his personality obviously continued to be a fiery-one on various occasions.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1 Corinthians 9:27 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I myself should be a castaway[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD54 – 1Corinthians 11:32 -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But when we are judged, we are [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chastened[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~AD55 – 2Corinthians 6:9 -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chastened[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and not killed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]~[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AD55[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] – [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]OR[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 12:7-9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]7 or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Satan[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], to torment me. 8 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Three times[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect (mature) in weakness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.[/FONT][/FONT]

    <><> <><

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Now let us consider[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] the next excerpted statement from another post in light of the “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” of our Shekhinah Father Creator's eternal-purity and infinite-love and patience towards His prodigal children, - -[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{whose infinite love in past ages had “empowered” the heavenly host of angels to “build” the New Jerusalem that Abraham looked forward to seeing, and what we “all” might see someday as seen in the image “NewJerusalem ForTheSaints _gif.gif” that is attached to the post at this link to >-- Post #[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]63[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] @ <>http:// www. christianforums. com/ t7756553-7/#post63771233<>} - - [/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]VERSUS[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] the “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]obviousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” of Beelzebub's cruel hatred to seduce or possess some to become perverse in order to cause their waywardness to kill themselves after a “horrible” time of “suffering”. This is what occurred with his prodigal “chosen” people in 70AD, and in our modern day also occurs with many sufferings for sexually-promiscuous-prodigals, and similar sufferings occurred more rampantly in ancient times throughout other “idolatrous” cultures who had never been taught the "wisdom" of their Creator's laws and ways and vision for us "all".[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that whenever someone or an entire culture becomes obliviously [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonically-trained[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] or possibly [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]totally- demonically- possessed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], then their Father God's infinite mercy is seen in Paul's teaching in - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1Corinthians 5:5 - - that encourages [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]eternally[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]saved[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that because of the destruction of their [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demon possessed flesh[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] the following scriptures might then also be fulfilled for the sake of these persons and all others who they could have mentored with their “errs”.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][See [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 9:55[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But Jesus turned and rebuked them and said, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 2:4[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Putting them in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] . . . [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]& [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jude 1:6[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bound with everlasting [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]chains[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]]


    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{continue with this post into the next post that follows}[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    <><> <><


    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
     
  5. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]{continuing from the previous post with this post}[/FONT][/FONT]




    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOW[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] let us consider the next excerpted statement from a previous post that is likely identical as to how most Calvinistic theologians would teach others concerning our eternal Heavenly Father's vision for His &#8220;eternal&#8221; creations.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Originally Posted by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bible2[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 5:44-48[+++] doesn't mean God loves all his enemies, for he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]).[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It's not hypocritical for God to tell us to love our enemies (Matthew 5:44[+++]) while he hates his nonelect enemies (Romans 9:11-13[+]). For just as God as Creator has the right to create some people to be nonelect vessels of his wrath (Romans 9:20-22[++]) and other people to be elect vessels of his mercy (Romans 9:23[++]), so God as Creator has the right to hate the nonelect and love the elect (Romans 9:11-13[+]). [/FONT] ​
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]References as noted above:[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Romans 9:11-13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]- - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][++: Romans 9:20-23 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+++: Click-Link to Matthew 5:44-48][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<>[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Note the three scriptures that have been posted after the excerpt given above, whereby we all need to again &#8220;remind&#8221; ourselves of Peter's cogent admonitions in order to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]NOT[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] allow our efforts to fulfill [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2Peter 3:16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] as some others have "oftentimes" been seduced to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]stray[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have come before us.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ultimately &#8220;all&#8221; of our &#8220;battles&#8221; against others in this life are never truly fought with flesh and blood. And we are all placed into this world for a few years time to be trained to discern this fact, and to learn how to resist evils and bigotries and arrogance throughout our lives and then into the eternity ahead of us all.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So the hope of this editor is that more Christians would be taught to resist the same [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonic[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]-evil-spirits of Beelzebub that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]possessed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] John Calvin in Geneva when he had Michael Servetus burnt at the stake for disagreeing with his [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]demonically[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] inspired doctrines.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]See <>[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Servetus[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] <> [/FONT][/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To glorify our Creator Father God we all need to &#8220;continually&#8221; be mentored how we might prudently accomplish the Golden-Rule of >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Leviticus 19:18[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] towards &#8220;all&#8221; of our &#8220;neighbors&#8221;, [+] even if during the warfare that surrounds us all our noble righteous efforts of striving to be like a Berean-Gideon would someday cause us to be murdered because of our attempts to build-up Jesus' inheritances throughout the earth. [/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: For Jesus' definition of one's &#8220;neighbor&#8221; that was contrary to the many scribe's viewpoints in His day see: >-- [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Luke 10:29[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all being &#8220;sifted&#8221; in &#8220;each&#8221; generation and will either rise to the challenges or will fall away with the chaff since our Creator Father does not have an infinite number of Semper-Fi angels to continually protect and chasten-train us all when so-many are unforgiving towards others &#8220;errs&#8221;, and are hard-hearted towards their Creator Father's plights to destroy the works of the devil in the earth and towards the eternal sacrificial efforts of His light- speed Holy Spirit and His Angels to war against Beelzebub's minions in our behalf, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and are therefore stiff-necked to yield oneself to obey the gentle leading of the Holy Spirit to become fruitful in strengthening and discipling Jesus' inheritances amongst &#8220;all&#8221; the nations.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. I continually pray they all will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would &#8220;consider&#8221; the truths therein.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Christ Jesus[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot the missionary.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><[/FONT][/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2014
  6. Bible2

    Bible2 Guest

    +0
    In Romans 5:18b, the original Greek word (pas, G3956) translated as "all" can be used in the sense of "all manner of" (e.g. Acts 10:12). Romans 5:18b doesn't mean absolutely all men are justified, for justification requires faith (Romans 5:1), and not all men have faith (2 Thessalonians 3:2). Instead, the principle of Romans 5:18b applies only to the elect (2 Timothy 2:10).

    Jesus' divine/human sacrifice was sufficient to forgive the sins of everyone (1 John 2:2). But it was performed in order to actually forgive the sins not of everyone (Romans 9:18-24) but of only the elect. For Jesus' sheep whom he died to save (John 10:11,14,15) are the elect (1 Peter 1:2; 1 Peter 3:18; 1 Peter 4:1), those who are able to believe in him (John 10:27), and who will believe in him at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b), as opposed to the nonelect, who can't ever believe in him (John 8:42-47), because they aren't his sheep (John 10:26).

    Romans 11:32 means only that all the elect (Romans 11:28) are shown mercy with regard to their initial salvation as individuals (Romans 9:11-24), not that all people will be shown mercy. For some people were created by God to be nonelect vessels of his wrath, who will never be shown mercy (Romans 9:11-22, Proverbs 16:4, Matthew 13:38-42, John 8:42-47).

    The sinful saved person in 1 Corinthians 5 hadn't lost his salvation, for salvation is ultimately lost due to sin only if a saved person refuses to repent from a sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10) until he dies (1 John 5:16) or Jesus returns (Luke 12:45-46). After the sinful saved person in 1 Corinthians 5 was punished by being cast out of the congregation (1 Corinthians 5:13), he repented from his sin while he was still alive, and so he was forgiven and restored to the congregation (2 Corinthians 2:6-10; 1 John 1:9).

    Regarding "the destruction of the flesh" in 1 Corinthians 5:5, the original Greek word (olethros, G3639) translated as "destruction" can simply mean punishment. So the "destruction" of the sinful saved person's flesh by Satan can simply mean God as a chastening for unrepentance (Revelation 3:19) would allow that person's flesh to temporarily suffer in some way at the hands of Satan (cf. Luke 13:16). It doesn't require the person be killed by Satan (Job 2:6-7).

    1 Corinthians 15:22 doesn't assure a resurrection to eternal life, because people can be resurrected to damnation (John 5:29, Revelation 20:12-15).

    1 Corinthians 15:27, like Philippians 2:10-11, doesn't say all will be saved. For while all will eventually be made subject to Christ, not all will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.

    2 Corinthians 5:19 doesn't mean everyone in the world, for (again) not everyone will be reconciled to God (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.

    Ephesians 1:9-10 refers only to the ultimate gathering together of all things which will be "in Christ", not things which won't be in Christ (e.g. Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42).

    See 1 Corinthians 15:27 above.

    See the last section of post 169.

    1 Timothy 2:4,6, like 1 Timothy 4:10b, means God will have all manner of people believe in Jesus and be saved (Revelation 5:9b), not absolutely all people (Romans 9:11-24), just as, for example, John 3:26c means all manner of people came to Jesus during his first-coming earthly ministry, not absolutely all people. The original Greek word (pas, G3956) translated as "all" can simply mean "all manner of" (e.g. Acts 10:12). It doesn't have to mean absolutely all.

    1 Timothy 2:4,6 and 1 Timothy 4:10b don't mean absolutely all people can believe in Jesus. For other verses show that some people (the nonelect) can't (John 6:65, John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42). Also, 1 Timothy 2:4,6 and 1 Timothy 4:10b don't mean absolutely all people will be saved, for other verses show that most people won't be (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42, Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14).
     
  7. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]It would appear that for the present we each have a different focus for our life-efforts that we each have likely been &#8220;encouraged&#8221; to pursue by our various past and present &#8220;teachers&#8221;.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Some theologians, such as Calvin, have taught their followers to not strive to maintain a supernatural personal and powerful &#8220;relationship&#8221; with our Creator's Holy Spirit, and that also we should lethargically and fatalistically &#8220;wait&#8221; for our Creator's &#8220;supposedly&#8221; &#8220;unchangeable&#8221; &#8220;preordained&#8221; apocalyptic- punishment- judgments, as if these judgments would be impossible for the Church of Jesus to stand-in-the-gap against them; even though as has been written in Revelation 9:18 the &#8220;present&#8221; god of this world, Beelzebub, has now empowered mankind with the potential to burn-up 1/3 rd of our Creator's impoverished children.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]My own Holy teachers have taught me that &#8220;all things are possible&#8221; for any situation and for every culture, no matter how many of Beelzebub's hordes would want to see that culture burnt-up, IF-ONLY the converted believers within that culture would strive to - follow the prophetic admonitions that &#8220;promise&#8221; that all potential judgments can be repented-of, AND IF-ONLY these converted believers would subsequently strive to - work in concert with Jesus' ongoing efforts to destroy the works of the Devil, Beelzebub, as encouraged in 1 John 3:8.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. - - 1 John 3:8[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The following scriptures would apply to &#8220;all&#8221; of us in our &#8220;perilous&#8221; &#8220;last-days&#8221; generation.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you be secure. - - Psalm 122:6[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - - 2 Chronicles 7:14[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus said to him, &#8220;If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.&#8221; - - Mark 9:23[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved. - - John 3:17[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And Ezekiel, (who was &#8220;less&#8221; than any person who would be within the Kingdom of Heaven, [as Jesus taught in Matthew 11:11]), opined during his day:[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Your leaders are like wolves who tear apart their victims. They actually destroy people&#8217;s lives for money! And your prophets cover up for them by announcing false visions and making lying predictions. They say, &#8216;My message is from the Sovereign Lord,&#8217; when the Lord hasn&#8217;t spoken a single word to them. Even common people oppress the poor, rob the needy, and deprive foreigners of justice. - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND speaking for God he wrote about himself as well as all others in his country when he wrote:[/FONT]


    &#8220;[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]I looked for some who might rebuild the wall of righteousness that guards the land. I searched for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]someone to stand in the gap in the wall so I wouldn&#8217;t have to destroy the land, but I found no one. So now I will pour out my fury on them, consuming them with the fire of my anger. I will heap on their heads the full penalty for all their sins. I, the Sovereign Lord, have spoken!&#8221; - - Ezekiel 22:27-31[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Scripture is plain that what believing disciples need to &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]recruit[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; and "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mentor[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]disciple[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", via our life efforts are more "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]converting[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]believers[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" who would be like Paul and Peter and Jesus in standing against &#8220;doctrines-of-men&#8221; for what they are, i.e. "tares" via the scriptures, that hinder the building-up, i.e. "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]strengthening[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]", of the courage and virtuousness within Jesus' inheritances.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This is the reason why Revelation 21 was written exactly as it has been written in order to en-courage &#8220;daily-converting&#8221; believers to be better &#8220;mentoring&#8221; disciples, who would then strive to help other faithful men to daily-convert and disciple their own selves as well.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ultimately whenever we would fail ourselves or others in the eternity ahead, Jesus will eternally be our good shepherd, who will eternally be watching over us amongst the much more disciplined Heavenly Host, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]since in comparison for ages to come we will oftentimes be similar to stupid fearful and inept sheep.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]While mankind is still here on the earth our Creator God &#8220;will-be&#8221; glorified in spite of Beelzebub's wiles, and Jesus has made the way for anyone to glorify His father through a simple acceptance of His Lordship and by simply becoming a member of Jesus' flock of sheep in order to have eternal life in Heaven, even if receiving Jesus as Lord on one's final day occurred in a similar manner as the thief on the cross, or in the powerfully persuasive way as occurred with Paul when he was struck blind on the road to Damascus. The thief on the cross was a prodigal son that was accepted back into His Creator's household on his final day, although his relationship- inheritances- earned- rewards in Heaven were possibly fairly meager, except for his testimony while on his cross that was written into the scriptures.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As written in Revelation 21:8 there will be no immorality or debauchery in Heaven because no one will be &#8220;tempted&#8221; in our thoughts by Beelzebub's minions as we &#8220;all&#8221; have oftentimes been tempted in the earth. And there will be no non-virtuous cowards there because Beelzebub's fears will not tempt anyone there, and we will &#8220;all&#8221; have eternal life and will continually be encouraged by God's joyful presence to pursue the prudence and virtue that comes with that form of life in order to work fruitfully alongside Jesus and His Heavenly Host of ancient angels.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Revelation 21:8 was &#8220;allowed&#8221; into the scriptures not so that &#8220;religious&#8221; people would promote scornful bigotries against prodigal self-destructive sinners, but to encourage Saints and prodigals alike to make the right choices, so that they would not be ashamed when they would see Jesus on their final day, (as Paul and the thief on the cross once were ashamed of their past life), at which time Beelzebub would no longer have influence over their life in the flesh. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For all of mankind, past present and future, accepting Jesus' love for them has always been and will always be how easy it will ever be to enter into His Kingdom. [+] Just at your final moments say &#8220;yes Jesus, please be my Lord and Savior and now that my eyes can finally see you face to face I will follow wherever you ask me to go,&#8221; and then follow the Master homeward or go with one of His angels when they come for you, and one's final choice will then glorify God with their passing upward to the dwellings Jesus and His Heavenly Host had begun building for us &#8220;all&#8221; from before the foundations of the earth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: Matthew 20:12 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8216;These who were hired last worked only one hour,&#8217; they said, &#8216;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and you have made them equal to us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8217;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that with this &#8220;eternally&#8221; fruitful theology now being highlighted via this thread concerning our Shekhinah Creator's obvious infinite love for us all from His eternity past into our eternity future, rather than debating on-on-one any subtly flawed nuances in each others posts, what would be much more fruitful in &#8220;helping&#8221; Jesus and the Holy Spirit to stand against doctrines-of-men, would be by writing your own views into website threads that would fulfill James 3:17 [+] by being easy to be received by others, without being &#8220;disrespectful&#8221; towards others.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: James 3:17 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, easy to be received, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    Ultimately at the end of our days let us each have trusted in Jesus for our individual eternal salvation, and then for today may we continually strive to resist evil in all of its forms that we may ever see in our lives, so we each might become more abundantly fruitful in building up Jesus' inheritances within the earth.

    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. They will eventually be fruitful towards everyone who might someday read this thread.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21[/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2014
  8. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. In spite of sometimes having opposing views and focus for each of our life-efforts, I continually pray that &#8220;all&#8221; of these posts will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would prayerfully consider the truths therein.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Shalom in Jesus,[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of Jesus Christ[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21

    [/FONT]
    <>PS There are several key scriptures that continually govern my thoughts, hopes and prayers for these threads, of which some are given below:
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    John
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]8:31-32[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To the Judeans who had believed him, Jesus said, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]&#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If you [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]hold to my teaching[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], you are really my disciples. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].&#8221;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    2
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:16-17[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Holy[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]) scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]: that the man of God may become perfect ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]mature[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]), [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]thoroughly furnished unto all [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]good works[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]


    2
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Timothy [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2:15-16[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]a workman that needeth not to be ashamed[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]rightly dividing the word of truth.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]shun[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. (KJV) (ESV) 16 But [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]avoid[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ungodliness[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Looking for that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]glorious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. fruitful[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif])[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    2
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]3:10&18[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT]


    <><> <><

    Matthew 4:19 - - Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.

    <><> <><
     
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2014
  9. Bible2

    Bible2 Guest

    +0
    Amen.

    John 3:17a means God didn't send Jesus into the world to condemn the world before Jesus' 2nd coming, when Jesus will condemn the world (Revelation 19:11-21; 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, Luke 12:49). Also, even some saved people at the judgment of the church by Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:10, Romans 2:6-8, Luke 12:45-48, Matthew 25:19-30) at his 2nd coming (Psalms 50:3-5, cf. Mark 13:27) will lose their salvation because of such things as unrepentant sin (Luke 12:45-46, Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27), unrepentant laziness (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8), or apostasy (Mark 8:35-38, Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Timothy 2:12b). That's why saved people know the "terror" of the coming judgment of the church by Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:10-11), why they must remain in fear of being cut off the same as unbelievers if they don't continue in God's goodness (Romans 11:20-22, Luke 12:45-46), why they must be careful to work out their own ultimate salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12b; 1 Peter 1:17, Romans 2:6-8).

    John 3:17b doesn't require God sent Jesus into the world to save everyone in the world, just as saying someone has come to save TV wouldn't require he has come to save every show on TV. In the Bible, "the world" doesn't have to mean everyone in the world. Just as "the world" in John 15:18 and John 16:8-9,20 doesn't include believers, so "the world" in John 3:16 doesn't include the nonelect (Romans 9:11-22). And in the case of, for example, John 18:20, it doesn't include the vast majority of the earth's inhabitants at that time, who didn't hear Jesus speak to them during his preaching before his arrest.

    Do you mean all us humans? If so, note that God doesn't love everyone: he hates the nonelect (Romans 9:11-22). During their lifetime, God hardens the nonelect in their sinfulness instead of showing them his mercy (Romans 9:18), because he created them to be vessels of his wrath (Romans 9:20-22, Proverbs 16:4). They were of old ordained to condemnation (Jude 1:4). They were appointed to disobedience (1 Peter 2:8, Acts 2:23). But God never forces them or anyone else to commit sin. He never even tempts anyone to commit sin (James 1:13-15). All people will justly be held accountable for their deeds (Romans 2:6-8), for neither election nor nonelection takes away the free will of people.

    God created nonelect people to be vessels of his wrath instead of vessels of his mercy so he might eternally make known his wrath and power (Romans 9:21-22, Proverbs 16:4, Revelation 14:10-11). And God created elect people to be vessels of his mercy so he might eternally make known his mercy, glory, and wisdom (Romans 9:23, Ephesians 3:10, Ephesians 1:8,11).

    God wants these aspects of his nature to be made known to both humans and angels (Ephesians 3:10), neither of which group yet knows experientially the full extent of God's qualities and abilities (1 Corinthians 2:9; 1 Peter 1:12b). For example, the full extent of God's wrath won't be known to humans and angels until Satan and his fallen angels and all of unsaved humanity are cast into the eternal suffering of the lake of fire and brimstone (Matthew 25:41,46, Revelation 20:10,15, Revelation 14:10-11), and saved humans and holy angels go forth from the city of New Jerusalem on the new earth to witness the suffering of the unsaved in the lake of fire (Isaiah 66:24), the eternal hell (Mark 9:45-46), and realize by seeing it not only the extent of God's wrath, but by it, by way of contrast, the extent of God's mercy toward them (Lamentations 3:22-23). Just as "up" can't be eternally known for what it is without the eternal coexistence of "down", so God's mercy can't be eternally known for what it is without the eternal coexistence of his wrath.

    *******

    1 Corinthians 13:8 doesn't mean any prophecy in Revelation will fail to come to pass, for it must all come to pass (Revelation 1:1-3, Revelation 4:1, Revelation 22:6). Instead, 1 Corinthians 13:8 is referring to the future cessation of the Spiritual gift of prophecy, which gift is referred to in the context (1 Corinthians 13:2,9, 1 Corinthians 12:10,11,28).

    In 1 Corinthians 13:8, in the original Greek the difference in the "voice" of the verbs relates to the difference in how the Spiritual gifts of prophecy, tongues and the word of knowledge operate. The cessation of prophetic messages and words of knowledge is in the passive voice because it will be God who will cause prophetic messages and words of knowledge to cease at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12). For when people receive the gift of prophecy or the word of knowledge (1 Corinthians 12:8,10) they still have to wait passively for God to give them prophetic messages or words of knowledge to speak forth (1 Corinthians 14:30-31). The cessation of tongues is in the middle voice because it will be tongues-speakers who will cease speaking in tongues on their own accord at the 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 13:8-12). For when a person receives the gift of a tongue, he usually receives a prayer (1 Corinthians 14:2,14) and it's usually a set prayer (like how the Lord's prayer is a set prayer) which the tongues-speaker can pray or not pray on his own accord (1 Corinthians 14:27-28) whenever he wants.

    Regarding Isaiah 17, Damascus is said to be the oldest continually-inhabited city on the earth. But it could be nuked by Israel during a future all-out war (Isaiah 17:1). Yet this war will also break the power of Israel (Isaiah 17:4).

    Regarding Nahum, he prophesied the fall of ancient Assyria with the sack of its capital Nineveh in 612 BC.

    Regarding Zephaniah, he prophesied the destruction of the land of ancient Judah and neighboring countries by the Babylonians in the 6th century BC.

    Paul the apostle never taught universal salvation, because he knew that not everyone will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.

    Amen.

    While the gospel of salvation is preached to everyone (Mark 16:15), nonelect people can't be saved, for they can't believe in Jesus (John 8:42-47, John 10:26).

    The elect are those individuals who were chosen (elected) and predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13), before they were born (Romans 9:11-24), to become initially saved by faith at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice (Romans 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:19-20).

    Everyone on his own is wholly corrupt (Romans 3:9-12), and so it's impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31; 1 John 5:13) through their own will (Romans 9:16, John 1:13, John 6:65) or their own intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16). Unsaved people can't understand the gospel (1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Corinthians 1:18) because only initially saved people, who have received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Corinthians 2:11-16).

    The nonelect can't ever believe in Jesus and the gospel and be initially saved, even when they're shown the truth (John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42), because the ability to believe in Jesus and the gospel comes only to the elect (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65; 1 Corinthians 3:5b, Romans 12:3b, Hebrews 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Bible (Romans 10:17, Acts 13:48, Acts 26:22-23), just as the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers so that on their own they can't repent and acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Timothy 2:25-26).

    Amen.

    The blessed hope (Titus 2:13) is the hope of eternal life: "In hope of eternal life" (Titus 1:2), "that blessed hope" (Titus 2:13), "the hope of eternal life" (Titus 3:7), by which is meant the hope of obtaining an immortal physical resurrection body (Romans 8:23-25, Philippians 3:21, Luke 24:39) at Jesus' 2nd coming (1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-53; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6), which won't occur until immediately after the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Matthew 24:29-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6). Also, Jesus himself is the hope of believers (1 Timothy 1:1b), for he himself is eternal life (John 14:6) and only by believing in him can people have eternal life (John 3:36).
     
  10. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    Titus 2:13
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Looking for that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]glorious[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. fruitful[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif])[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] "appearing" . . .

    <><> <><


    [/FONT]
    O Lord have mercy on your prodigal religious children, and after they realize their errs draw them back into your household so they might become "fruitful" workers in your fields that are white unto harvest, and where they may become "empowered" by your Holy Spirit [+] to work alongside Jesus and His angels and all your joint-heirs, in this life and then into the life to come.


    Amen.

    John 3:17

    [+: Holy defined is - "set apart for service" to "all" mankind without "favoritism".]



    Previous post via link at:


    Previous post via link at:


    Previous post via link at:

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Love is in Jesus,[/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]A Servant of [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jesus [/FONT][/FONT]Christ [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AJCServant [/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot the missionary.[/FONT][/FONT]
     
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2014
  11. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Originally Posted by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bible2[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [​IMG][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    Paul never taught universal salvation, because not everyone will be saved (Matthew 25:41,46, Matthew 13:38-42), but only a relatively few people (Matthew 7:14, Matthew 22:14) compared with all of humanity.
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    <><> <><
    [/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Hi all,[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Without the Holy Spirit's guidance the above noted verses in &#8220;The Book of Matthew&#8221; and also some within the other three gospels would &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]appear[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; to be &#8220;contrary&#8221; to Paul's writings given previously and again posted below. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Whereby our present generation's most legalistic-literalist theologians have attributed all of the gospel writings to have been the &#8220;exact&#8221; words of the Savior when the anointed Christ spoke them during His earthly ministry.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To compare the &#8220;obviousness&#8221; of Paul's writings with the words attributed to Jesus I have again listed below a fairly extensive list of Paul's &#8220;universalist&#8221; writings that I have edited using the King James Version Bible.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The number of verses that &#8220;offer&#8221; a welcoming &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]universalist[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; entreaty towards &#8220;any&#8221; disparaged and perhaps self-destructive &#8220;prodigal&#8221; for them to seek to be &#8220;reconciled&#8221; with God and &#8220;all&#8221; others is impressive[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 5 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Therefore being justified by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]faith[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]faith[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us. 6 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 8 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Romans 11:32 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For God hath concluded them all in [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]unbelief[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], that He might have mercy upon [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 5:5 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]saved[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 15:22 - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] be made alive.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Corinthians 15:27 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For He hath put [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things under his feet.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 Corinthians 5:19 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]the whole world[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ephesians 1:10 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Philippians 2:10-11 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] That at the name of Jesus [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]every[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]every[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Colossians 1:20 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by Him to reconcile [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 2:4 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Who will have [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 2:6 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Who gave Himself a ransom for [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], to be testified in due time.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Timothy 4:10 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] men, specially of those that believe.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Compare the &#8220;tone&#8221; of the previous verses by a holy Paul to the &#8220;tone&#8221; of the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]following verses written by the holy John and Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]cf 1 John 2:2 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]whole[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] world. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AND 2 Peter 3:9[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]not willing that any should perish[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], but that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] should come to repentance[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT]

    And compare Paul's writings to the Ephesians with Peter's writings that are both given as follows
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]:[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ephesians 4:8 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]he led captivity captive[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and gave gifts unto men.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1 Peter 3:18-22 - -[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but &#8220;quickened&#8221; by the Spirit: 19 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. 21 The like figure where-unto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In my own literalist writer-editor's viewpoint[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - the above scriptures were written to [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]encourage[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] an [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]open-door[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the &#8220;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]potential[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&#8221; for universal-salvation towards &#8220;all&#8221; those who may need some hope in their daily battles within their flesh, which for &#8220;all&#8221; of us are battles against Beelzebub's many many seductions, oppressions, depressions and possessions.

    [/FONT]
    James 4:7 teaches us all, "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee."


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    {Continued into the next post.}

     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2014
  12. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    {Continued from the previous post.}

    [/FONT]
    <><> <><
    [/FONT]


    So I post again below the question that I posted earlier so that some would post their own research concerning &#8220;any&#8221; of "Paul's" writings that would similarly-obviously promote a
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]message of a [/FONT]&#8220;limited&#8221; "eternal" salvation towards any of mankind, who we all since Adam and Eve have been born into this fallen world to eventually become one of Jesus' lost &#8220;sheep&#8221; at one time or another, or from another view we are also born to become one of His Father's prodigal &#8220;children&#8221; at one time or another.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]
    [/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Although &#8220;I&#8221; have been taught by Jesus' Holy Spirit to never teach anyone at any time that foreordained predestined &#8220;universalism&#8221; is a doctrine from God, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]since it is obviously a demonic-doctrine-of-men that would promote an unholiness amongst any who would believe it[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], [*+] and since all the eternal-spirits, such as ourselves, will always continually and eternally have a free-will whether to forgive God and others and themselves and to then accept Jesus as their Lord or not; [*++] [/FONT]yet are there "any" scriptures that &#8220;Paul&#8221; wrote that do NOT imply that God's hope would be for His Church to promote a universalist-vision towards &#8220;all&#8221; sinners?


    Note: a semi-universalist view[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] by some who were not greater than John the Baptist [+] is found in [*+: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Isaiah 14:20[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] & [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ezekiel 28:18-19[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ] and also for our own eternal-salvation this action is "required" via [*++: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 18:34-35[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] ] Additional side-note about anyone who after the cross has entered into the "Kingdom of God": [+: [/FONT]Matthew 11:11[FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and [/FONT]Luke 7:28[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    Again, thank you everyone for your posts and prayers. I continually pray they all will eventually become eternally fruitful towards everyone who might someday be like the Bereans who would read this thread and would &#8220;consider&#8221; the truths therein.

    Shalom in Jesus,
    A Servant of Jesus Christ
    AJCServant
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21

    [/FONT]

    <><> <><[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - Any further wholesome, strengthening or insightful comments anyone?[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    [/FONT]
    <><> <><
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
  13. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    You may love “Revelation Song” but what do the lyrics mean?
    [/FONT]



    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To try and sway some of those who are obviously the “most” hard-hearted and therefore arrogant-prideful and unfruitful amongst these threads I have oftentimes posted the phrase:[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The word Holy has been defined by God throughout the Holy scriptures as, "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]set apart for service[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]" to “[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]all[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]” of "mankind" and without "favoritism" no matter what ones present theology might be.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Our Creator God is continually Holy t[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]o accomplish the end result that the following scripture [+] would be fulfilled without "favoritism" amongst all the peoples of the earth in our fallen world, in order that the devil's works would be “destroyed” as encouraged in 1John 3:8.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][+: 2Chronicles 16:9 - - [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]the eyes of the LORD run[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]heart[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] is [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blameless[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] toward him[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]][/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ones "perfected" theology is not the motivator for our Creator God to support someones life-efforts, it is their [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blameless heart[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] that is seeking to please Him and do His will above all else - that He is always choosing to support.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So that ultimately the “fear-of-the-Lord” NOT choosing to “strongly” support someone when one's heart would NOT remain blameless is what produces the wisdom in many of His converted ambassadors [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]to continually pursue loving Holiness[/FONT] towards "all" of mankind, and so they might be "chosen" to become His [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]joint-heirs [/FONT]in the age to come.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]With these thoughts in mind the following is a post and a link to a video that I pray would bless some of us here in these threads as we prepare our hearts and minds and bodies and our surrounding cultures for Jesus to soon return.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Titus 2:13[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Looking for that [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]blessed hope[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif], and the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]glorious [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]([/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]i.e. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]fruitful[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif])[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2 [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Peter[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] 3:10&18[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - - [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. . . . Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]error[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of the lawless [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]ones [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]and fall from your secure position[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Story Behind the Most Popular Worship Song Ever[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]You love Kari Jobe’s “Revelation Song,” but what do the lyrics mean?[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Link to: <> [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Kari Jobe[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Revelation Song[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] - Passion 2013 – YouTube <>[/FONT]





    “[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]And one cried unto another and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. ” - - Isaiah 6:3 (KJV)[/FONT]


    “ [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. . . You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy.” - - Leviticus 19:2 (ESV)[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Reflection: That’s a tall order for we mortals who are far from holy! Yet the Lord of all creation longs for his people to be holy, as he is holy. Ever since he called the nation of Israel into being, he desired his chosen ones to be a holy, sanctified, separate people. And like the early Israelites, we as the contemporary church struggle with the overwhelming pull of the world to be like the world in our attitudes, actions and appearance.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]So how do we attain holiness? I think part of the answer lies in Romans 12:1–2 (NIV), [/FONT][/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]“Therefore, I urge you, brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God … Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind …”[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We renew our minds by filling them with things of the Lord, not things of the world. The more we “practice” the presence of Christ—listening, waiting, reading, praying—the more we want to be like him! We begin to desire holiness. It’s an act of the will and an attitude of the heart that affect our outward actions. Soon that controversial book doesn’t seem so compelling. That questionable movie loses its appeal. We seek to please the One we love.[/FONT]


    The Prophet Isaiah became “undone” while in the presence of the Lord’s holiness. This reverence and repentance (Isaiah 6:3-5) progressed to his forgiveness and commission (Isaiah 6:6-9).


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]May the rest of us be so blessed.[/FONT]


    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][Copied from <> The Story Behind the Most Popular Worship Song Ever – FaithIt.com <>][/FONT]





    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PS - Most seekers would encourage the view that the best evangelism efforts use the KIS methodology, i.e. Keep It Simple so that the following would be fulfilled to the uttermost.
    [/FONT]

    <><> <><

    Matthew 4:19 - -
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    <><> <><
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
  14. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    [/FONT]Originally Posted by AJCServant [​IMG]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]
    <><> <><
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. . .

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We are all in training to be a little more like the good shepherd Jesus every day, one day and one step at a time[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].


    Shalom in Jesus,
    A Servant of Jesus Christ
    AJCServant
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]John [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]10&15&17 & Revelation 21

    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. . .

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PPPS - Any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?

    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2014
  15. AJCServant

    AJCServant Member

    320
    +1
    Anabaptist
    Private
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    Matthew 4:19 - -
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will send you out to fish for men.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT]

    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

    "He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot the missionary.

    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]<><> <><[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
     
Loading...