Revelation 6 through 22 : Discuss

[ScottA]

But as you see, I am posting about Rev. 6-22, I might have confused Rev. 1:9 with Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. I agree that Rev. 1:9 is speaking about things in the Past and other things to come

You could do that throughout the whole book...and yet the whole book is only partly about the future and things thereafter, while collectively...it is about all three, past, present, and future.

 

[Straightshot]

"Amen, I am going to hell according to some."


Not to worry .... the Lord was not well accepted when He was on the earth in the first century

And if you are preaching the truth you will not be either .... it goes with the package

 

[Norbert L]

If you think something is off, spell it out. I am not going to attack your position even if I don't agree with it.

I know you are just giving you best guess at those scriptures. Guesses are both a hit and a miss type of thing. Don't be surprised in the end to find out you only know half of what you're talking about. If a person can figure that out now, all the better. Such a person will be able to see more of themselves in the mirror, rather than reflect on the spots of the whole world.

 

[mark kennedy]

Revelations put in order and explained: Revelation chapters 6 to Rev. 22


John is in the Spirit in Heaven seeing future events. The judgments of the Lamb are followed by the trumpet judgments then the vials of wrath judgments. These events are judging Babylon the World Government System(s) that puts men before God and enslaves/conquers Gods chosen people Israel. Revelation 12 where Satan is cast down happens in this same time period, the Anti-Christ is possessed by Satan and then the proposed peace this evil tyrant has offered turns into perilous times as never seen before, which Jesus and Daniel foretold would happen.


This Anti-Christ will then go forth to conquer, chapter 13 tells of this Beast arising out of the Sea which means and has always meant in biblical terms, that he is a Gentile leader. His partner, the False Prophet arises out of the Land, which has always meant in biblical terms that he is a Jewish individual. The False Prophet no doubt gets Israel to make peace, meaning to accept the Security of this Man of Sin/Anti-Christ. He will then no doubt turn against them at the 42 month mark. This is when he goes forth to conquer as chapter six implies. All of these chapters are different events happening at the same time or pretty close in time, hence I am conjoining them together on purpose.


I think the wrath of the Lamb is the Lord Jesus allowing the Anti-Christ to come forth and harm the world via murder, enslavement, dictatorship etc., in the first Four Seals. The Sixth Seal is an action by God/Jesus, but all are the Lambs Wrath he allows them to happen or causes them to come to pass. Then comes the trumpet judgments, Rev. 8 says that an Angel stood before the alter of God with the incense or prayers from the Saints of God, I think this is where the two-witnesses pray down plagues upon mankind. The Angel took the prayers, mingled with fire, and cast them upon the Earth !! Then came the plagues. A third of the trees and all the grasses were burned up, a third of the seas turned to blood, a third of the creatures died, a third of the waters were poisoned, an asteroid hits the earth, the sun, moon and stars are darkened, because of all the smoke no doubt. Then comes the three Woes which end the reign of mankind and begins the reign of God with his seven quick staccato style Vials of Wrath. Babylon has Fallen, has Fallen !!


The first Woe is Rev. 9:1, the release of a demon horde led by Apollyon, they are given the power to hurt and maim but not to kill the men who do not have the Seal of God in their forehead. The next Woe is a 200 million army of God led by four Angels, they are given the power to slay a third part of mankind with fire, smoke and brimstone. These wear the exact Breastplates the High Priests wore, and Rev. 9:20 says And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils. These were plagues of God no doubt.


During this time, Israel has been in hiding in the Wilderness, protected by God (Rev. 12) since the Anti-Christ turned on them. Christians who became Christians after the rapture are being beheaded for their faith in Jesus Christ. Those beheaded are the Saints under the alter in Seal number five, they are given a white garment and told to wait until their fellow-servants would be slain just as they were, they were asking for vengeance on those people living on earth who beheaded them. Satan could not get at Israel (Woman in Rev. 12) so he went after the remnant of her Seed (Jesus is the Seed) so the remnant that was left was the Christians who became Christians after the rapture. Rev. 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant (small part that's left) of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Christians)


Chapter 10 is mysterious because John was commanded not to write the things he heard the seven thunders utter. But the Angel swore to John, by God, one thing, that when the seventh angel or trumpet sounded, time would be no more (Rev. 10:6-7) and when he Sounded, the Mystery of God would be finished. I think this means mans time is up after the Seventh Trumpet Sounds, God will then reign (SHOWN BELOW) and bring forth His Vials of Wrath in quick staccato fashion. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM all seven Vials will come forth very fast, there will be no more waiting, no more time intervals like in Rev. 9:5 where the Demon horde was given five months to maim mankind. Rev. 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months:



Chapter 11 of course is the Two-Witnesses, Daniel chapter 12 also speaks about these two who stand on different sides of the river. The angel there also swears to Daniel, by God, about the time of mans reign ending after 42 months when asked by Daniel how long it would be. But then in Daniel 12 we are told about a 1290 day period and a 1335 day period. Daniel was told that the 1290 day period is how long this age will last after the daily sacrifice is taken away. ( NOT WHAT YOU MAY THINK ) In my opinion this is when Elijah turns Israel back to God. Thirty Days before the Anti-Christ starts going crazy, Elijah, one of the Two-Witnesses is sent to turn Israel back to their Messiah Jesus Christ, ( maybe longer, but they are only turned to God 30 days before the Anti-Christ turns violent/crazy ) thus the daily sacrifice is taken away, they now have Jesus, Israel does not need a daily Sacrifice. (Zechariah 13:1, a fountain is opened unto Israel for Sins and Uncleanness) So Elijah is given 1260 Days to Witness, but he starts this before the Anti-Christs 42 month reign of terror begins, so when he is killed and raised up to heaven, this in my opinion is when the Seventh Trumpet sounds, and mans reign is over, God declares that He is now in charge, and via His wrath he begins destroying Babylon (the Last Gov System or the Seventh Head of the Beast). The Anti-Christ has 30 days left before he is locked in the bottomless pit.


Malachi 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. ( Before the Day of the Lord or Judgment Day God sends Elijah to turn Israel back to God, and Daniels 70th Week Decree is Fulfilled. )




Now the final Woe !! Rev. 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. The Vials of Gods Wrath are forthcoming, God has taken control, there will be no more time intervals, boom, boom, boom, Gods judgment against Babylon will be fast and sure (she is destroyed in one-hour). Babylon is now inhabited by devils, the horde that was released in Trumpet number five and Satan himself was cast down. And the nations were angry that the time of Gods wrath had come. Chapter 14 tells us of Jesus landing on Mount Zion with the 144,000 and an Angel announcing Babylon has Fallen, has Fallen. Chapters 17 and 18 is only a more in depth explanation of the Two Entities of Babylon that falls, the Harlot is the False Religion side that is destroyed by the Kings in league with the Anti-Christ who want the Anti-Christ to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD, so all False Religion is destroyed (Islam and others), Christians are also beheaded and Jews are chased into the wilderness, the Jews are now mostly Christians in reality. But God uses the Anti-Christ and his Kings to Judge the Harlot. (Revelation 17), they destroy and burn her. (False Religion is Judged, Islam is destroyed) Now in Rev. 18, the judgment of Babylon by God is Gods plagues against the Last Gov. System or World Order, (Seventh Head of the Beast) the Seals and Trumpets are the Lambs Wrath and the Saints/Two Witnesses prayers that prays down Plagues. The last seven Vials are of course Gods Wrath being poured out. These final seven plagues are the final Woe !!


The Seven Final Plagues or Vials: Notice they happen fast, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, I think this all happens in like a 30 Day Period. The First Vial/Plague is poured out, and grievous sores come upon all who has the Mark of the Beast. The Second Vial is poured out and the Sea turns as the blood of a dead man, and every living soul therein dies. The Third Vial, all the drinking water becomes Blood. The Fourth Vial depletes the ozone and men get scorched by the Sun. The Fifth Vial is poured out upon the Seat of the Beast (Babylon) and it turns Dark, and men curse God for their pain, but still repented not. (They hate God and hate Israel, so they are willing to come against Israel to spite God) The Sixth Vial was poured out and the Euphrates River was dried up, preparing the way of those nations angry with Israel to try and attack them and destroy them forever. (Not a 200 Million Horseman Army, that is Rev. 9 not Rev. 16) The False Prophet, Anti-Christ and Dragon send forth Three Evil Spirits, to entice mankind into war against Israel at Armageddon, but it is Jesus they will be fighting, Rev. 19, is the Saints coming back from the Marriage to the Lamb in Heaven, to fight those evil tyrants and to bring to an end the Evil Babylon Gov. System. ( I will be there, Amen.)


The Final Vial is Poured out. And a voice from Heaven says "It is Done" A great earthquake like never before shakes the earth. Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. ( Notices the CITIES of the NATIONS ? Plural, Babylon is all the World that is being judged, all men who took the Mark of the Beast, the last Great Gov. System is being Judged. God remembered Babylon, this is why it is called Babylon, God sees all False Religion and False Governments as Babylon. It reminds him from whence it was Birthed !! )


20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.


Rev. 17 and 18, as I stated before is only a more detailed account of what is FINISHED here in Rev. 16. (It is Done) Just like Genesis chapters one and two are kind of the same but different, one is the Creation of the universe, the other is the telling of Mans creation in further detail. So the next event is really Rev. 19 and Jesus returning with the/us Saints, even though that is described somewhat by Jesus and the 144,000 landing on Mt. Zion . Jesus returns and destroys the wicked with the sword of his mouth (Holy Spirit) he casts Satan into the bottomless pit for 1000 years and Judges and casts the False Prophet and Anti-Christ into Hell. The rest of Revelation is self explanatory, after a 1000 year reign Satan is loosed, then Jesus/God destroys him and the rest of the rebellion with fire, judges them, and casts them into the Lake of Fire where the Anti-Christ and False Prophet are waiting. Then New Jerusalem comes down, we live in a beautiful new world, for ever and ever with our Lord Jesus Christ. AMEN !! Glory to God.

All reply's welcomed.

Excellent exposition, refreshing the see someone that motivated to learn and teach prophecy. I guess I could try to help things along here. Revelations divides easily and naturally into 3 groups of seven chapters. The first group concerns the seals, the second group the trumpets and the third the vials of wrath. Now there are other things going on but those judgment are at the heart of the emphasis.

The tribulation period begins with the opening of the first seal. When it's opened the Antichrist starts his bloody enfamouse rampage. He is the little horn that uproots three other kings, probable indicated by the second seal, the red rider with the great sword. With that Antichrist spoils the wealth of the world sending it to some island city in the meditarian, Babylon. For those who are not with him rationing of food, the black rider, Then cataclastic fourth rider know as the ghastly rider but would be better described as chaos. The fifth seal is the cry of the martyrs and in the sixth seal God's rained down on the and they cower in caves.

These events could happen quickly and one of the first things Antichrist does is a treaty with Israel he will break after 3 1/2 years.

More later when I get home.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Revealing Times]

I know you are just giving you best guess at those scriptures. Guesses are both a hit and a miss type of thing. Don't be surprised in the end to find out you only know half of what you're talking about. If a person can figure that out now, all the better. Such a person will be able to see more of themselves in the mirror, rather than reflect on the spots of the whole world.

I have the Holy Spirit so I am pretty comfortable with that which I profess/confess. But when I tackle something, I usually wait until I fell the Holy Spirit has given me the answers before I come forth and profess fully what is in my heart. When I started researching Revelation in what I will call a "hard manner" about a year or two ago, I was not very hip, had read it, but like many are today, I actually did not understand that out of 404 verses in Revelation, 289 refer to the Old Testament, so once I figured out it was encoded by Jesus/John with the Old Testament, all I had to do was decipher it, and roll stuff around in my mind to see if it fit, then if something didn't fit I would rethink it, then I would cross reference with other scriptures throughout the bible.

I fell pretty good about what I profess and believe. Could I have one or two minor issues off ? Sure, because God is always teaching me every day. To say "Thus Saith the Lord" you need to hear every word to write down. Under the Holy Spirit, we are led in a certain position. I fell very comfortable with my positions.

 

[Revealing Times]

Excellent exposition, refreshing the see someone that motivated to learn and teach prophecy. I guess I could try to help things along here. Revelations divides easily and naturally into 3 groups of seven chapters. The first group concerns the seals, the second group the trumpets and the third the vials of wrath. Now there are other things going on but those judgment are at the heart of the emphasis.

The tribulation period begins with the opening of the first seal. When it's opened the Antichrist starts his bloody enfamouse rampage. He is the little horn that uproots three other kings, probable indicated by the second seal, the red rider with the great sword. With that Antichrist spoils the wealth of the world sending it to some island city in the meditarian, Babylon. For those who are not with him rationing of food, the black rider, Then cataclastic fourth rider know as the ghastly rider but would be better described as chaos. The fifth seal is the cry of the martyrs and in the sixth seal God's rained down on the and they cower in caves.

These events could happen quickly and one of the first things Antichrist does is a treaty with Israel he will break after 3 1/2 years.

More later when I get home.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Thanks, you might disagree somewhat when you fully grasp my understanding of Babylon. But its all good. Rev. 17 and 18 were my first major clues that God gave me, that these were two different entities. In Rev. 17 The Harlot was killed off by the Kings in league with the Beast. But the Kings cried and bemoaned Babylons demise in Rev, 18. Two different entities.

 

[mark kennedy]

Thanks, you might disagree somewhat when you fully grasp my understanding of Babylon. But its all good. Rev. 17 and 18 were my first major clues that God gave me, that these were two different entities. In Rev. 17 The Harlot was killed off by the Kings in league with the Beast. But the Kings cried and bemoaned Babylons demise in Rev, 18. Two different entities.

That thought never occured to me, she is destroyed by the beast lat in the seventeenth chapter, the angel celebrates early in the eighteenth and later the kings of the earth lament the city consummed in flames. There could be a difference between spiritual Babylon but these two verses are a continuance of the personification. I think its interesting that the city sits on seven hills, that could only be Rome. That makes perfect sense, he is defaulting himself above all that is called God so the hub of the largest Christian community seems like the logical place to establish a city where he makes merchandise of his spoils. I suppose he levels Mecca and any other church, temple or shrine that doesn't worship him.

 

[Revealing Times]

That thought never occured to me, she is destroyed by the beast lat in the seventeenth chapter, the angel celebrates early in the eighteenth and later the kings of the earth lament the city consummed in flames. There could be a difference between spiritual Babylon but these two verses are a continuance of the personification. I think its interesting that the city sits on seven hills, that could only be Rome. That makes perfect sense, he is defaulting himself above all that is called God so the hub of the largest Christian community seems like the logical place to establish a city where he makes merchandise of his spoils. I suppose he levels Mecca and any other church, temple or shrine that doesn't worship him.

He brother I am going to paste a post I just did in the Apocalypse thread. I explain why Mystery Babylon is not a Mystery and hasn't been for 200 years, but I only saw this last week. LOL. Think about it, the Seven Mountains are Seven Kingdoms, the very net verse says so.

It seems no one is reading the Words that actually are right there in the Bible. I didn't see it for years, but it is right there in front of our eyes. There is no MYSTERY BABYLON.

Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. ( Greek word thauma 2295 meaning Great Wonder or to MARVEL it doesn't mean admired.) 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. {{ Do you catch this ? The Angel Is telling John I will TELL YOU THE MYSTERY OF THE Woman and the Beast. }}

How can anyone say this is still a Mystery, when the Angel Reveals the Mystery ? The Greek Word used for Mystery means a Secret by Gods Silence. Well the Angel breaks that Silence and Reveals the Mystery.

THE MYSTERY/SECRET OF THE BEAST EXPLAINED BY THE ANGEL !!

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

{{ So the Angel takes away the SECRET/MYSTERY, and tells us the Beast is Seven Kingdoms, five have fallen one is, and one is yet to come. (Through thinking, we understood that Babylon, Persia, Greece had fallen, and were written about in Daniel, from his time on/point of view. And we understood Daniel spoke of Rome in Prophecy, and Rome was the ONE THAT IS as Johns time, so then we had to figure out who the other three were. We knew through Daniel that at the END TIMES another Kingdom would Arise out of the Fourth Beast, so Revived Rome/Anti-Christ and 10 Kings will arise and conquer/enslave Israel. So now we have FIVE of the Kingdoms, who are the other TWO ? Well the Five have one thing in common, they all conquered or enslaved Israel, so now we can understand who the last TWO ARE, Egypt and Assyria, thereby you have every nation that ever Conquered or enslaved Israel, so the Angel TOLD US WHO THE BEAST WAS !! But the Angel tells us MORE, the Angel tells us the Seventh King when he comes will only rule a short time (one hour) and the Beast that was, is not, yet is and comes out of perdition (Satan/Apollyon) will become the 8th Kings or He will POSSESS the Seventh King and was of all Seven. AND.......The Ten Horns you saw are Ten Kings, they have no Kingdom as yet, but will receive power for ONE HOUR ( One Hour here proves Babylon is not LITERALLY DESTROYED in One Hour) with the Beast. They have one Mind and will give their powers and Kingdoms to the Beast. }}

MYSTERY/SECRET REVEALED !!!


MYSTERY/SECRET OF THE HARLOT REVEALED BELOW

Rev. 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

{{ What is Gods will ? Rev. 17:1 says COME SEE THE JUDGMENT OF THE HARLOT !! So God is going to use the Kings and Anti-Christ to bring His will to pass. Who is the Harlot ? WHAT IS THE MYSTERY/SECRET ? She is Many Nations, Peoples, Tongues and Multitudes, so she is ALL OVER, She is WORLDWIDE !! She is a Harlot, and she is DESTROYED BY THE BEAST and his Kings. So something that is in every nation, is destroyed by the Kings and the Beast. WHAT COULD IT POSSIBLE BE ? LOGIC IS A MUST !!! What does the Anti-Christ do at the end ? He places an Image of himself in Gods Temple and Demands all the world to worship him as GOD or Die !!! So what does this tell you ? That he is going to wipe out ALL OTHER GODS or Religions !!! The Harlot with Blood on her hands is FALSE RELIGION. She is JUDGED BY GOD, He uses the Kings to do His will. The ANGEL REVEALs THE MYSTERY/SECRET. But were we listening ? }}

MYSTERY/SECRET REVEALED.

Only the Vision Had the word MYSTERY on the Harlots Forehead. Once the Angel explains the Mystery, why are we still stumped ? Because we are not reading the plain text.

 

[mark kennedy]

He brother I am going to paste a post I just did in the Apocalypse thread. I explain why Mystery Babylon is not a Mystery and hasn't been for 200 years, but I only saw this last week. LOL. Think about it, the Seven Mountains are Seven Kingdoms, the very net verse says so.

It seems no one is reading the Words that actually are right there in the Bible. I didn't see it for years, but it is right there in front of our eyes. There is no MYSTERY BABYLON.

Rev. 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. ( Greek word thauma 2295 meaning Great Wonder or to MARVEL it doesn't mean admired.) 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel ? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. {{ Do you catch this ? The Angel Is telling John I will TELL YOU THE MYSTERY OF THE Woman and the Beast. }}

How can anyone say this is still a Mystery, when the Angel Reveals the Mystery ? The Greek Word used for Mystery means a Secret by Gods Silence. Well the Angel breaks that Silence and Reveals the Mystery.

THE MYSTERY/SECRET OF THE BEAST EXPLAINED BY THE ANGEL !!

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

{{ So the Angel takes away the SECRET/MYSTERY, and tells us the Beast is Seven Kingdoms, five have fallen one is, and one is yet to come. (Through thinking, we understood that Babylon, Persia, Greece had fallen, and were written about in Daniel, from his time on/point of view. And we understood Daniel spoke of Rome in Prophecy, and Rome was the ONE THAT IS as Johns time, so then we had to figure out who the other three were. We knew through Daniel that at the END TIMES another Kingdom would Arise out of the Fourth Beast, so Revived Rome/Anti-Christ and 10 Kings will arise and conquer/enslave Israel. So now we have FIVE of the Kingdoms, who are the other TWO ? Well the Five have one thing in common, they all conquered or enslaved Israel, so now we can understand who the last TWO ARE, Egypt and Assyria, thereby you have every nation that ever Conquered or enslaved Israel, so the Angel TOLD US WHO THE BEAST WAS !! But the Angel tells us MORE, the Angel tells us the Seventh King when he comes will only rule a short time (one hour) and the Beast that was, is not, yet is and comes out of perdition (Satan/Apollyon) will become the 8th Kings or He will POSSESS the Seventh King and was of all Seven. AND.......The Ten Horns you saw are Ten Kings, they have no Kingdom as yet, but will receive power for ONE HOUR ( One Hour here proves Babylon is not LITERALLY DESTROYED in One Hour) with the Beast. They have one Mind and will give their powers and Kingdoms to the Beast. }}

MYSTERY/SECRET REVEALED !!!


MYSTERY/SECRET OF THE HARLOT REVEALED BELOW

Rev. 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

{{ What is Gods will ? Rev. 17:1 says COME SEE THE JUDGMENT OF THE HARLOT !! So God is going to use the Kings and Anti-Christ to bring His will to pass. Who is the Harlot ? WHAT IS THE MYSTERY/SECRET ? She is Many Nations, Peoples, Tongues and Multitudes, so she is ALL OVER, She is WORLDWIDE !! She is a Harlot, and she is DESTROYED BY THE BEAST and his Kings. So something that is in every nation, is destroyed by the Kings and the Beast. WHAT COULD IT POSSIBLE BE ? LOGIC IS A MUST !!! What does the Anti-Christ do at the end ? He places an Image of himself in Gods Temple and Demands all the world to worship him as GOD or Die !!! So what does this tell you ? That he is going to wipe out ALL OTHER GODS or Religions !!! The Harlot with Blood on her hands is FALSE RELIGION. She is JUDGED BY GOD, He uses the Kings to do His will. The ANGEL REVEALs THE MYSTERY/SECRET. But were we listening ? }}

MYSTERY/SECRET REVEALED.

Only the Vision Had the word MYSTERY on the Harlots Forehead. Once the Angel explains the Mystery, why are we still stumped ? Because we are not reading the plain text.

I'm always on the lookout for fresh insight and I see you are managing the details fairly well, I'm not entirely sure this is getting clearer. Yes the seven hills which also represent kingdoms, there is an eighth which is the kingdom of the Antichrist. That is pretty straight forward. So who is Babylon? Its obviously a city founded by the Antichrist. Spiritually it's Egypt, where our Lord was crucified etc. So your right, its both a city and a spiritual body probably going all the way back through history to ancient Babylon. The kingdoms seem to include Babylon, Medo Persia Greece and Rome based on Danial two and seven which leaves three. Egypt is specifically mentioned so there are five. Assyria was effectively assimilated by Babylon so arguably this leaves us with two gone in the first century. Assyria features prominantly in Bible prophecy so sure, why not. Also Rome was still around in the first century but perhaps we should be reigns rather then empires.

Its been a while since I did this but there are two kings of Babylon mentioned in Daniel and in addition to Alexander the Great the was Antichous Epiphanes who defiled the temple during the time of the Maccabees.

This isn't going to tell us much about spiritual Babylon but the prophetic build up obviously ends with Rome. Thus scholars have long said it's a revived, and I should qualify it with 'pagan', Roman empire.

I don't know that it is a mystery, in fact it's kind of straight forward. The seven hills are seven kings but there are still seven hills in Rome. Over lapping meanings perhaps but I think there is a geographic reference here before the overlapping kings symbolized are introduced. Geographically I think this suggests the city of Rome.

Still haven't worked it out as an exposition but that's what I have as an overview.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Revealing Times]

I'm always on the lookout for fresh insight and I see you are managing the details fairly well, I'm not entirely sure this is getting clearer. Yes the seven hills which also represent kingdoms, there is an eighth which is the kingdom of the Antichrist. That is pretty straight forward. So who is Babylon? Its obviously a city founded by the Antichrist. Spiritually it's Egypt, where our Lord was crucified etc. So your right, its both a city and a spiritual body probably going all the way back through history to ancient Babylon. The kingdoms seem to include Babylon, Medo Persia Greece and Rome based on Danial two and seven which leaves three. Egypt is specifically mentioned so there are five. Assyria was effectively assimilated by Babylon so arguably this leaves us with two gone in the first century. Assyria features prominantly in Bible prophecy so sure, why not. Also Rome was still around in the first century but perhaps we should be reigns rather then empires.

Its been a while since I did this but there are two kings of Babylon mentioned in Daniel and in addition to Alexander the Great the was Antichous Epiphanes who defiled the temple during the time of the Maccabees.

This isn't going to tell us much about spiritual Babylon but the prophetic build up obviously ends with Rome. Thus scholars have long said it's a revived, and I should qualify it with 'pagan', Roman empire.

I don't know that it is a mystery, in fact it's kind of straight forward. The seven hills are seven kings but there are still seven hills in Rome. Over lapping meanings perhaps but I think there is a geographic reference here before the overlapping kings symbolized are introduced. Geographically I think this suggests the city of Rome.

Still haven't worked it out as an exposition but that's what I have as an overview.

Grace and peace,
Mark

I have a piece I wrote about the Two Babylons. I kind of touched on it in my Revelation OP, but this is much more detailed. I will drop it here and see what you think about it. You see I do not think the Harlot is Babylon, I think the Harlot is False Religion and Babylon is the Last world Gov.

The Great Harlot of Revelation 17 and Babylon is Fallen, is Fallen Explained (They are two different Entities entirely.)

The Great Harlot of Revelation 17:1 is judged by God, An Angel tells John to come and see the judgment of the great harlot that sits on many waters. The kings of the earth have fornicated with her and been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. John was carried away and saw this "woman" riding the back of the Beast with seven heads and ten horns. This woman was dressed in loud colors and arrayed with all manner of trinkets.

On her forehead was the name(s) Mystery, (COMMA) Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth. Notice this is four descriptors of the great harlot, there is not anything called Mystery Babylon as almost everyone cites, but these are only descriptions of the great harlot. Many people likewise try and suggest that the Roman Catholic Church (RCC) is mystery Babylon or the Harlot of Babylon, but Rev. 17:6 dispels this notion in that the woman was drunk with the blood of both the saints and martyrs of Jesus blood, and the (RCC ) was not around to harm the saints of old, neither was Islam. False Religion, all false religion from the beginning of time, that is the Great Harlot that is being judged by God.

The mystery of the beast that was, is not, yet is. He is the eighth king and is of the seven. The seventh king is king but a short time. The eighth king is Satan himself, he possesses the seventh king, which is the Anti-Christ or beast whose kingdom last but a short time.These ten kings have no power as yet, (Johns Time) but receive power with the beast for an hour. (short time)

The kings in league with the Beast then destroys the Great Harlot (False Religion) in Revelation 17:16 and burn her, but why ? Because the Anti-Christ will demand that all worship him as god !! He will destroy any and all religions in order to bring this to pass. The harlot sits on many waters, which is peoples, nations and tongues, so she is world wide by the end times. In Rev. 17:17 we find out that God placed this in their hearts to fulfill his will. God has judged the Great Harlot. The kings were made drunk by her wine, the apostles were made drunk by the Holy Spirit, so the Kings were immersed in her evil just like the disciples were immersed in the righteousness of the Holy Spirit.

In Revelation chapter 18 we see Babylon is the subject here, but it is the commercial/Government side not a Religious entity. The Harlot is no More, she was destroyed by the Kings in Rev. 17:16. But what is Babylon ? It represents mans venture at governing himself without God at the head. All of the Beast Systems of Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, even revived Rome or the European Union are in this category. So another Angel comes with another judgment, this is a judgment on Babylon or all the Beast Systems. Babylon is Fallen, is Fallen. This world will be burning after the Seal judgments, the Trump judgments and the Vial judgments. Men will cry at her burning. Rich merchants will bewail her destruction, those same people that served money over God.

Babylon is become the habitation of devils. Satan is cast down from heaven and Appolyon and Scorpion like demons are loosed from the pit to torment man kind. God cries come out of her my people that you not share in her plagues. I think this is God telling Israel to flee unto the Wilderness in Revelation chapter 12.

God judges the Great Harlot, by using the Anti-Christ.

God judges Babylon with the Seal/Trump and Vial Judgments.

The Great Harlot = All False Religion since the beginning of time.

Babylon = All the Beast Systems that tried to govern without God at its head.

In Daniel chapter 2, we see that a Rock (Jesus) is hewn out of a Mountain, and destroys Nebuchadnezzar's Idol. (Beast System)

This is a more concise rendering of the Two Babylons. I did this about 5 or 6 months ago.

 

[Douggg]

{{ So the Angel takes away the SECRET/MYSTERY, and tells us the Beast is Seven Kingdoms, five have fallen one is, and one is yet to come. (Through thinking, we understood that Babylon, Persia, Greece had fallen, and were written about in Daniel, from his time on/point of view.

The angel is not taking away, solving, the secret/mystery. He is saying to John there is a mystery involved with the beast and the woman. Then he goes about presenting the parts of the mystery. But he doesn't solve the mystery. He didn't name the five fallen kings. Nor the one is. Nor who the 7th king is or his name. It's all a mystery and cannot be understood without learning about other prophecies throughout the bible.

It is not seven kingdoms, but seven kings associated with the place of 7 mountains. Since the fourth empire in Daniel 7 is the Roman Empire, and in Daniel 2 the feet of iron and clay are the end times Roman Empire, and the place of 7 mountains would make sense to be Rome the city of the seven hills.

Which the king ruling at the time of John was the leader of the Roman Empire. The seven kings are seven kings of the Roman Empire - which just so happens that the Juli-Claudian family fits.... with the last one yet to come.

I don't know why you are going on about 7 kingdoms, when it says in the text of Daniel 7 the ten kings and the little horn are of the fourth kingdom. And it says in Daniel 9:26 the prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary, the Romans. And it doesn't say kingdoms, but kings in the text of Revelation 17.

It boogles my mind with all the information given, that people go on the 7 kingdom idea as though it is something found anywhere of the text of the bible.

Where are you reading anything about a 7 kingdom plot? Daniel 2? Daniel 7 ? Daniel 8 ? Daniel 9 ? Daniel 11 ?

 

[tranquil]

The angel is not taking away, solving, the secret/mystery. He is saying to John there is a mystery involved with the beast and the woman. Then he goes about presenting the parts of the mystery. But he doesn't solve the mystery. He didn't name the five fallen kings. Nor the one is. Nor who the 7th king is or his name. It's all a mystery and cannot be understood without learning about other prophecies throughout the bible.

It is not seven kingdoms, but seven kings associated with the place of 7 mountains. Since the fourth empire in Daniel 7 is the Roman Empire, and in Daniel 2 the feet of iron and clay are the end times Roman Empire, and the place of 7 mountains would make sense to be Rome the city of the seven hills.

Which the king ruling at the time of John was the leader of the Roman Empire. The seven kings are seven kings of the Roman Empire - which just so happens that the Juli-Claudian family fits.... with the last one yet to come.

I don't know why you are going on about 7 kingdoms, when it says in the text of Daniel 7 the ten kings and the little horn are of the fourth kingdom. And it says in Daniel 9:26 the prince who shall come is from the people who destroyed the city and sanctuary, the Romans. And it doesn't say kingdoms, but kings in the text of Revelation 17.

It boogles my mind with all the information given, that people go on the 7 kingdom idea as though it is something found anywhere of the text of the bible.

Where are you reading anything about a 7 kingdom plot? Daniel 2? Daniel 7 ? Daniel 8 ? Daniel 9 ? Daniel 11 ?

It says in Daniel 7 and in revelation 17 that there are 7 contemporaneous kings and 7 through time. You are insisting on only a 7 through time interpretation. When we look at rev 12 we see that there is a 7 heads 10 horns 7 crowns phase. What this is referring to is when 7 contemporary heads exist : the 4 th king/ kingdom exists with his ten horns. Then in the next phase in rev 13 it has 10 crowns meaning the false prophet has arrived. The false prophet is the little horn of Dan 7 aka the 11 horn. The dragon is the 4 th king/ kingdom and is the little horn of Dan 8.

 

[food4thought]

Something to consider regarding the 7 kingdoms: What empire was next to control the promised land after the fall of the Roman Empire until recent times? The Ottomans. Just a thought.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

The 7 kingdoms of Abaddon presented in the scope of the Bible prophets are these: the land of Magog, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, and the northern Seleucid .... all have 5 fallen and are historical today .... all of them were centered in the Middle East

The next 2 in the same region are still pending

The Bible prophets do not record any rulers of the Middle East between the 5th and the 6th to come

These kingdoms are not found withing the scope of their visions [Roman, Arabian, Mongol, Parthian, Ottoman, British, and today's divides of the Muslims]

Understanding this truth is necessary in order to render the Lord's more sure word of prophecy with accuracy

The period between the 5th and 6th Middle Eastern kingdoms is the Lord's dispensation of grace still on going which will come to a close here [Romans 11:25-36]

Then the Lord will turn His attention to Israel and the nation's virulent enemies of the Muslim states .... these will be confederated into the 6th and the 7th kingdoms during the coming tribulation

 

[Revealing Times]

Something to consider regarding the 7 kingdoms: What empire was next to control the promised land after the fall of the Roman Empire until recent times? The Ottomans. Just a thought.

Hello brother in Christ. One thing is missing in the Ottoman Empire conquest. Israel as a nation were dispersed the world over. Remember Jesus said in Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Ezekiel in his Valley of Dry Bones prophecy foretells of the rebirth of Israel in the Latter days also. So in essence the Jewish people were scattered all over the world and Gentiles ruled Jerusalem for 2000 years until 1967's Six Days War. So the Ottoman Empire ruled Gentiles in reality, not Jews. (Of Course there were probably a few there, but the Jews only started immigrating back to Israel in the 20th Century. ) But in Ezekiel 37 we are told this about Israels Dry Dead Bones: Ezekiel 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

You see what I am driving at ? They not only have to rule the Land but place the peoples of God in bondage. God being angry at Israel, allowed them to be dispersed all over the world until He was ready to bring them back unto Israel and quicken their Bones again.

 

[Douggg]

It says in Daniel 7 and in revelation 17 that there are 7 contemporaneous kings and 7 through time. You are insisting on only a 7 through time interpretation.

The exact verse please. What is written in Revelation 17 is that there are 7 kings. Since five had fallen, and on is, and the seventh yet to come - the seven kings rule one at a time - sequential, no contemporary of each other..

It is the ten kings who will be contemporary of each other. And those ten kings in Daniel 7 are of the fourth empire- in the text.

When we look at rev 12 we see that there is a 7 heads 10 horns 7 crowns phase. What this is referring to is when 7 contemporary heads exist : the 4 th king/ kingdom exists with his ten horns. Then in the next phase in rev 13 it has 10 crowns meaning the false prophet has arrived. The false prophet is the little horn of Dan 7 aka the 11 horn. The dragon is the 4 th king/ kingdom and is the little horn of Dan 8.

It does not say 7 contemporary kings. Here is what it says in the text...

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The seven kings are not contemporary of each other. One rules, then the next, then the next, then the next...... a sequence of 7 kings

The false prophet is not a king - so he is not the little horn who will be a king. Called the king of fierce countenance in Daniel 8:23.

23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.





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[mark kennedy]

I wanted to try an outline, I have found this approach invaluable to understand the natural flow:

Seals

1) The Revelation of the Son of Man
2) 7 Letters to the 7 Churches
3) 7 Letters continued
4) 7 Lamps of fire (Menorah)
5) 7 Seals to be opened by the Lamb
6) 7 Seals opened, S-1 (seal one) thru S-6
7) The 144,000 sealed, the world hides from the Lamb​

Trumpets

8) S-7 Silence, Trumpets sounded (T-1 thru T4)
9) T-5 Locusts, T-6 Euphrates
10) The Angel and the Little Book
11) The Two Witnesses clothed in sackcloth
12) The Woman, Child, Dragon
13) The Beast of the Land and the Beast of the Sea
14) 3 Angels proclaim: 144,000, Gospel, Wrath on 666​

Vials of Wrath

15) 7 Angels given the 7 Vials of Wrath
16) Vials of Wrath: V-1 thru V-7
17) Babylon and the Beast with 7 heads
18) The wine of the wrath of her fall
19) The wedding feast of the Lamb
20) The Dragon bound 1,000 years
21) The New Jerusalem​

Eternal State

22) The Healing of the Nations
​

Understanding the Revelation is impossible without reference to the Levitical imagery used throughout. Since the focus here seems to be to decipher the detailed descriptions late in the book I think it helps to focus a little on the panorama of the judgments as they are inflicted on the world as punishment for the rebellion and wickedness that has gone completely insane:

Seals

1) The White Rider with a crown and a bow.
2) The Red Rider with a great sword.
3) The Black Rider with a scale.
4) The Pale Rider, death and hell follow.
5) Martyrs beneath the altar
6) The Wrath of the Lamb
7) Silence in heaven.​

Trumpets

1) A third of the earth was burned up.
2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
3) A third of the waters turned bitter
4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
5) The Locusts from the Abyss.
6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates.
7) Thy Kingdom come.​

Vials of Wrath

1) Ugly, festering sores
2) Sea turned to blood.
3) Springs turned to blood.
4) Sun scorch.
5) Throne of the Beast struck.
6) Armageddon.
7) Global Earthquake.
​

Before we start deciphering the intricacies of detailed prophecy it's always imperative to understand the context. First of all, Babylon on the back of the beast rising out of a sea of humanity has just endured the vials of wrath. They think they have won, they have taken the full wrath of God and they have taken the full wrath of God and they are still standing. Let me describe this to you, prophecy is dramatic poetic metaphor long before our multimedia age had come. Your standing on the shore of a stormy sea, the heads of the beast arises with Babylon, Mother of Harlots drunk with the blood of the saints on it's back. The sea turns into an natural amphitheater like a mountain valley.

This is the key to the entire thing, the mentality that grew from a mass of humanity cowering in caves to standing as a army daring God to do his worst:

Why do the nations conspire

and the peoples plot in vain?

The kings of the earth rise up

and the rulers band together

against the Lord and against his anointed,
saying,
“Let us break their chains

and throw off their shackles.”

The One enthroned in heaven laughs;

the Lord scoffs at them.
He rebukes them in his anger

and terrifies them in his wrath,
saying,
 “I have installed my king

on Zion, my holy mountain.” (Psalm 2:1-6)
​

There are serious questions involved in this prophecy, who are the tribulations saints, what are the crimes of the Antichrist and his army, where is Israel in all of this, where is the church? Just as we see Babylon in it's infancy at Babel we see the Gentile church in the first century. We see a vision of the Son of Man, our great high priest tending to the seven-fold church in the vivid imagery of the Levitical priest tending to the Menorah in the Holy Place. Those two witnesses in the middle of the Tribulation preaching the Word of God in power, probably Enoch and Elijah, those two great prophets who's message resounds throughout the ages. This book has been called the grand central station of the Bible and I cannot begin to tell you what a profound gateway to holy Scripture this book can be. It's all there, the Law and the Prophets, Christ and the Apostles, the shadow and substance of Levitical sacrifices and the God of all mercy redeeming whosoever will in a world consumed with the devastating wrath of God.

Consider the heart of the emphasis in this tremendous prophetic revelation. This is the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ who is coming in great power and glory, it's here to teach us about him. Let us not squander too much time trying to unravel the mysteries of wickedness and evil, that's important, but let's consider the fulfillment of our most precious promise. The day of the Lord is at hand, coming in power and glory to execute judgment on the earth and we will be with him forever.

With all the drama, the epic unfolding of prophetic fulfillment in all it's panoramic vast array it's over in an instant. This should be our focus:

Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive one another if any of you has a grievance against someone. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity. (Col. 3:12-14)
​

These things go with us into eternity:

“Alleluia! For the Lord God Omnipotent reigns! Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. (Rev. 19:6-8)
​

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Douggg]

Mark, I looked at the outline. Making an outline is important. And it looks like you did a pretty good job.

What we have to remember though is that your outline is in "presentation order", that is, the order as things were presented to John. The challenge is to put those items in the outline in a "timeline order".

The only adjustment I would make to your outline is in red below. The reason is that the Kingdoms of this world becoming under the Kingdom of God is a process over the second half of the 7 years, beginning with Satan cast down to earth. The actual arrival of the Kingdom of God is when Jesus, the King, returns down to earth at the end of the seven years.

But, otherwise, good job.

(presentation order)
Seals

1) The White Rider with a crown and a bow.
2) The Red Rider with a great sword.
3) The Black Rider with a scale.
4) The Pale Rider, death and hell follow.
5) Martyrs beneath the altar
6) The Wrath of the Lamb
7) Silence in heaven.​

Trumpets

1) A third of the earth was burned up.
2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
3) A third of the waters turned bitter
4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
5) The Locusts from the Abyss.
6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates.
7) Thy Kingdom come, the process begins.​

Vials of Wrath

1) Ugly, festering sores
2) Sea turned to blood.
3) Springs turned to blood.
4) Sun scorch.
5) Throne of the Beast struck.
6) Armageddon. gathering at
7) Global Earthquake.
​

 

[Douggg]

Mark, I would like for you to try a timeine order. I'll start it.

(timeline order)
First half (1260 days)
day 1 seal 1 rider on the white horse. confirmation of the covenant

unknown day seal 7 silence in heaven
Second half
day 1263.5 trumpet 7) The Kingdom come, the process begins
unknown day trumpet 1) A third of the earth was burned up.
unknown day trumpet 2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
unknown day trumpet 3) A third of the waters turned bitter
unknown day trumpet 4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
unknown day trumpet 5) the locust from the abyss
unknown day seal 2) The Red Rider with a great sword
unknown day seal 3) The Black Rider with a scale.
unknown day trumpet 6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates


day 2520 - Jesus descends down to earth

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(presentation order)
Seals

1) The White Rider with a crown and a bow.
2) The Red Rider with a great sword.
3) The Black Rider with a scale.
4) The Pale Rider, death and hell follow.
5) Martyrs beneath the altar
6) The Wrath of the Lamb
7) Silence in heaven​

Trumpets

1) A third of the earth was burned up.
2) A third of the sea turned into blood.
3) A third of the waters turned bitter
4) A third of the sun, moon and stars struck.
5) The Locusts from the Abyss.
6) The Four Angels and the Euphrates
7) The Kingdom come, the process begins​

Vials of Wrath

1) Ugly, festering sores
2) Sea turned to blood.
3) Springs turned to blood.
4) Sun scorch.
5) Throne of the Beast struck.
6) Armageddon. gathering at
7) Global Earthquake.
​

 

[Douggg]

Mark, separately, I would like for you to try a timeine order for only the person who is the little horn, the king of fierce countance, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast, the willful king. I'll start...

(timeline order)


unnkown day the Prince who shall come is anointed the King of Israel becomse the Antichrist.
day 1 AC confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years.


unknown day AC goes into the temple sits, claims to be God, becomes the revealed Man of Sin.
unknown day MS is rejected by Jews as continuing as their King of Israel. End his Antichrist time.
unknown day MS is killed
unknown day MS comes back to life as the BEAST
day 1185 AOD image made of the BEAST
unknown day BEAST makes war on the two witnesses.
day 1260 BEAST kills the two witnesses
day 1263.5 BEAST sees two witnesses come back to life, ascend to heaven.

day 2475 BEAST prepares to fight Jesus, assembles at Armageddon
day 2520 - BEAST is cast alive into the lake of fire.