Revelation 6 through 22 : Discuss

[Douggg]

Then you don't agree pretty much! Don't take the first seal out of its context! The context was around 32 AD when Jesus ascended and sent the Holy spirit down. This is 2000 years TOO SOON for the first seal. Did you not know that John used the color white 17 other times (other than the white colored horse) and each time was to represent righteousness? Sure, the Beast antichrist would LOVE to color himself white, but GOD IS writing this book, not the antichrist! God shows us the color of the Beast: fiery RED! There is not even one word in the description of the first seal, broken in 32 AD that would even HINT of something evil. That is NOT God's intent here. This seal is to represent the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL. When did that happen? You know the answer. Jesus commanded them to make disciples of all nations, then He ascended back to heaven.

The gospel is not represented by a bow.

 

[iamlamad]

The gospel is not represented by a bow.

The entire description of the first seal, including the rider on the white horse is to represent the CHURCH taking the gospel to the world - not the bow by itself.

Go ahead: you tell us then: WHAT entity on the earth was declared righteous on the earth in 32 AD? (the color white)

Satan was and still is the god of this world. He OWNED the nations of the world when the gospel began. Did you think he would just step aside and allow the gospel to spread? No, there HAD TO BE much conquering and overcoming to spread the gospel. Satan was sure he could stop the advance of the gospel and keep it in the 1/4 of the earth he was limited to with the horsemen.

I take the bow to be the spiritual weapons of the church. Our weapons are mighty through God for the overthrow of strongholds.

 

[Another Lazarus]

Revelations put in order and explained: Revelation chapters 6 to Rev. 22
I think the wrath of the Lamb is the Lord Jesus allowing the Anti-Christ to come forth and harm the world via murder, enslavement, dictatorship etc., in the first Four Seals. T.

The Lamb will exterminate a/c and the nations following him at the war of Armageddon

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[Douggg]

The entire description of the first seal, including the rider on the white horse is to represent the CHURCH taking the gospel to the world - not the bow by itself.

Should be a sword instead of a bow. Not the Church.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment

The first seal depicts the Lord's intent to have the gospel of the kingdom [His millennial kingdom] spread during the coming tribulation [Matthew 24:14; 6:2; 14:1-7]

In other words His offer of salvation and eternal life will continue [conquering and to continue to conquer] during His period of judgment

 

[Douggg]

Satan was and still is the god of this world. He OWNED the nations of the world when the gospel began.

Is that what the bible says? 1Corthians 10:26 For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

 

[food4thought]

The entire description of the first seal, including the rider on the white horse is to represent the CHURCH taking the gospel to the world - not the bow by itself.

Hi Lamad. I also have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the white horse. Where in the Bible do we get first mention of a white horse? I think it is in Zechariah 1 and 6... where the horsemen are described as "spirits of heaven" (Zec 6:5). Unless one wants to think that righteousness dwelt "to the north" (see Zec 6:6) of Israel during the time of Zechariah, we must decide that white horses represent something other than righteousness according to the prophet. Since a returning conqueror would ride a white horse in the ancient middle east (notice that the horseman already wears a crown), I would suggest that the white horse represents a spirit of conquest that infects the world, which would naturally lead to the other 3 horsemen (war, famine, death).

For everyone's consideration...

 

[ScottA]

John is in the Spirit in Heaven seeing future events.

Correction: John did not just write about the "future"...but about the past, present, and future. Revelation 1:19

 

[Straightshot]

John does record some things past, about the "church" in his day, and the things that shall be "hereafter"

There two historical reach backs given in Revelation's unfolding for overview [Revelation 12:4-5; 17:8-10]

The "church" in his day [Revelation 1:4; 1:20; 2; 3]

All of the balance of Revelation's unfolding beginning in chapter 4 are the things "hereafter" still pending as we speak

 

[jeager016]

O.P.
Great post.
You should try for a t-v show as an evangelist.

 

[Straightshot]

Why?

 

[Revealing Times]

All of Revelation's unfolding after Revelation 4:1 are still pending including the seal portents and the events of the coming tribulation

This is of course just not truth. The Holy Spirit was still in the throne room in chapter 4, but sent down in chapter 5. Jesus was not in the throne room in chapter 5, but just ascended in chapter 5. NO MAN was found worthy in the first search John watched end in failure: the reason he was weeping. Then in the next search He WAS found. This gives us TIMING: around 32 AD. In case you missed it, that is HISTORY.

I agree with you that the 70th week will begin at the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment.

As you noticed, this was about Revelation 6-22, that was a TYPO.

Who then do you think will be all the world (except those whose names are written in heaven) that worships the beast and will be deceived by him? OF COURSE all the Muslims save those whose names are written.

NOT THE 6th! Did you not read in Daniel that he will take out 7 of ten, leaving 7, and he, the beast, will become the 8th king?

This is speaking of the 5 Kings that have fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece) the one ha was (Rome) when John wrote Rev. and the one that will come (Revived Rome) with the Anti-Christ being the Seventh King, then he gets possessed by Satan/Apollyon and he becomes the 8th King.

Sorry, the 70th week does not begin until the 7th seal. Chapter 6, up to the 6th seal, is CHURCH HISTORY time.

The 70th week starts at the Rapture of the Church, before the Anti-Christ comes to power.

The harlot is also the "great wh**re Babylon" which is, as John said, "that great city." John previously said the great city was JERUSALEM. OF COURSE Mystery Babylon is Jerusalem, for the greatest deception ever to come upon man will come from Jerusalem while the Beast and False Prophet are at their peak. The ten nations represent the nations of the world that will throw in with the beast at the last hour to wipe Israel and Jerusalem off the map. OF COURSE they will be surprised to find they will be fighting GOD HIMSELF! They will HATE Jerusalem and burn her with fire.

The Angel explains Mystery Babylon, so it is no more a Mystery. It is not Babylon, Rome, Jerusalem or New York City. Babylon is only a metaphor for the Last Head of the Beast and for the Harlot whence False Religion sprung forth. The Angel explained it, reread Rev. 17. I will show you the MYSTERY of the Beast and the Woman !! They will come against Israel, no doubt.

 

[Revealing Times]

Then you don't agree pretty much! Don't take the first seal out of its context! The context was around 32 AD when Jesus ascended and sent the Holy spirit down. This is 2000 years TOO SOON for the first seal. Did you not know that John used the color white 17 other times (other than the white colored horse) and each time was to represent righteousness? Sure, the Beast antichrist would LOVE to color himself white, but GOD IS writing this book, not the antichrist! God shows us the color of the Beast: fiery RED! There is not even one word in the description of the first seal, broken in 32 AD that would even HINT of something evil. That is NOT God's intent here. This seal is to represent the CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL. When did that happen? You know the answer. Jesus commanded them to make disciples of all nations, then He ascended back to heaven.

A white Horse has always represented a Conquering Hero who Triumphs..........The crown (stephanos) is the crown of triumph. The horses used in Roman triumphs were white. On the white horse of triumph the crowned rider goes forth conquering, and that he might conquer. But who or what is here represented ? Some take it to be a mere emblem of conquest, or victory, as the next rider represents war. There is then a harmony of interpretation: the horsemen reveal to the seer that the after-history will be marked by conquests, wars, famines, pestilences.

The Anti-Christ goes forth to Conquer represented by a WHITE HORSE. The Red Horse Represents WAR, the BLACK HORSE represents Famine and the Pale Green Horse represents Death and Sickness.

 

[Revealing Times]

The Lamb will exterminate a/c and the nations following him at the war of Armageddon

Amen.....Glory to God. I will be on a Horse and see this happen.

Should be a sword instead of a bow. Not the Church.

Exactly...............

O.P.
Great post.
You should try for a t-v show as an evangelist.

Send my Check................

 

[Revealing Times]

A new vision begins in Rev. 4:1 and John is again in the
spirit.
A new vision begins at 7:1 and other places too. Watch for
the word "after".

No doubt there are many overlapping visions. But when I stated the Prayers of the Saints went forth, I don't think I implied men carried it before the Lord, Angels did this, then created a ball of fire mingled with the payers and cast it upon the earth.

Correction: John did not just write about the "future"...but about the past, present, and future. Revelation 1:19

But as you see, I am posting about Rev. 6-22, I might have confused Rev. 1:9 with Rev. 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. I agree that Rev. 1:9 is speaking about things in the Past and other things to come

 

[Straightshot]

"Amen.....Glory to God. I will be on a Horse and see this happen"

You will be [Revelation 19:14]

How do you like this description? [Joel 2:1-11]

 

[Norbert L]

Revelations put in order and explained: Revelation chapters 6 to Rev. 22 All reply's welcomed.

When you are on your deathbed many years from now God willing and your overall statement is not exactly happening to all the people in this world. Will it be too late? Matthew 7:22-23

 

[Revealing Times]

When you are on your deathbed many years from now God willing and your overall statement is not exactly happening to all the people in this world. Will it be too late? Matthew 7:22-23

Number one, you are so wrong on many counts. I am explaining my belief as led by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit teaches me new things every day. I do not say THUS SAITH THE LORD, I say, that this is my understanding from reading, praying, and following Jesus for 30 some odd years. What I do not do is claim everyone is wrong but me, LIKE SOME WE KNOW, I change old understandings daily, when God reveals things to me, I am not the type that thinks MY UNDERSTANDING is the be all, I understand Gods understanding is the BE ALL,END ALL.

If you think something is off, spell it out. I am not going to attack your position even if I don't agree with it.

 

[Revealing Times]

"Amen.....Glory to God. I will be on a Horse and see this happen"

You will be [Revelation 19:14]

How do you like this description? [Joel 2:1-11]

Amen, I am going to hell according to some.

 

[Norbert L]

I do not say THUS SAITH THE LORD,

If you think something is off, spell it out. I am not going to attack your position even if I don't agree with it.

I do agree that you are not saying "Thus saith the Lord". Just be careful when you're on your death bed you are not bearing a false witness to the later generation.